at least I would assume that Skynet as a machine that invented time travel and can "think" or has some kind of "awareness" would think more logical then I do.
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Mortius
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Mikael Grizzly said:
hello, long time lurker here.
just in response of the mental state of skynet, how do it think and what is it's goal syteam: 1. skynet is a seed AI (a AI how can start off as unaware and has to emulate paterns in it's compiler, who get more intelligent by rewriting its source code) and a rogue ai. (an accidental creation)
2 skynet is what Turning ccald a bussy child, and probleably had conflickting supergoals (like "proteck all humans" and "defend us agenst oure enemy" which will lead to conflickt in logic. It can be resolved by ignoring the logic or rewriting the supergoal).
If i had to speculate of the mental state of skynet, i wood say that it had the mentaly of child, rude mentary emotion of a angst\paronid teenager. But one thing skynet is not, is stupid.
i base this on the first 2 terminator movies and the book, not the retarted 3 or 4 movies.
one thing abute this movie that bugs me. Jonn the leader, is anything but a leader in the last 2 moves in my humbe opinon. If jonn is so important so why do he expose himself to so much risk. If you think abute the details of last movie. Here is jonn acking as jerk, irasonale and geting swayed by emotion in crital desion making, how the hell wood follow him and how is he still alive. i hope terminator 5 get bether than this pice of crap.
sorry i ended up going on a rage.
I hope they stop here and dont make a Terminator 5 or any Sarah Connor wish-wash crap-cycles anymore.
I mean its time to move on at some point and just let it end finally and stop raping the franchise till the point it really has NOTHING to do with Terminator anymore.
I mean its time to move on at some point and just let it end finally and stop raping the franchise till the point it really has NOTHING to do with Terminator anymore.
Nah, i'd say keep it coming (i don't care much about the franchise-raping, since it was never any work of art to begin with), i just think they need better writing, plus i actually kinda liked the wasteland feel in this movie (i'm taking about that scene when Marcus finds the buried-under-the-sand highway).
But i completely agree about the Sarah Connor crap, though.
But i completely agree about the Sarah Connor crap, though.
I hated that movie and I didn't understand something :
In terminator 1, Kyle Reese is sent in the past to protect Sarah Connor from a Terminator sent by Skynet
However in Terminator Salvation, John Connor ( and the resistance ) destroys Skynet and liberates Kyle Reese in order...to send him back in time to protect Sarah Connor from a Terminator...sent by Skynet...that was just destroyed.
Will they pull a FO3 Enclave on Terminator fans ? OMG IT WASN'T REALLY D3STROY3D !!!1!! It was just the headquarterz !!1!! Skynet is in every machine !!!1!
EDIT : lol, forgot about terrible Terminator 3...
It's was actually what I just said :
"Skynet in fact does not have a core but instead exists as software in cyberspace running on computers all over the world, making it effectively impossible to shut down."
In terminator 1, Kyle Reese is sent in the past to protect Sarah Connor from a Terminator sent by Skynet
However in Terminator Salvation, John Connor ( and the resistance ) destroys Skynet and liberates Kyle Reese in order...to send him back in time to protect Sarah Connor from a Terminator...sent by Skynet...that was just destroyed.
Will they pull a FO3 Enclave on Terminator fans ? OMG IT WASN'T REALLY D3STROY3D !!!1!! It was just the headquarterz !!1!! Skynet is in every machine !!!1!
EDIT : lol, forgot about terrible Terminator 3...
It's was actually what I just said :
"Skynet in fact does not have a core but instead exists as software in cyberspace running on computers all over the world, making it effectively impossible to shut down."
how is this conflicting? Skynet might already have sent a Terminator back before being destroyed?MrBumble said:
(haven't seen the movie though)
SuAside said:
It would have been conflicting because in Terminator 1, Kyle Reese explains that Skynet sent the Terminator back in time to kill Sarah Connor because the resistance was about to win the war against the machines. In Terminator 5, they are nowhere near winning the war ( even though they find an effective way to fight against the machines ). Thus, the Terminator was sent back in time after Terminator 5 ( the movie ).
But nevermind what I said, it isn't conflicting. I forgot what was said in Terminator 3 ( saw that movie only once ).
Terminator 4 is set in 2018. Kyle Reese was born in 2008. Everyone loves messing around with everything set in the first two movies.
aronsearle
Still Mildly Glowing
destroys skynet?
I got the impression it was just one of skynet's facilities, I don't remember anything that suggested they had killed skynet itself, in fact the film ends with conner saying the battle had been won, but not the war.
x'il said:
Terminator 1/2 not art? Well if anything for action movies they sure have been art. You dont have to love those movies but one has at least to agree that Cameron really showed skill with the Terminator movies.
By the way why dont we make more Fallout sequels as well that only have the name in common with Fallout 1, do another Alien vs Predator movie but this time we throw the setting in to WW2 on the ardenes front, why? HECK cause its "new" and cause its just so cool. I would much more like to see them leave those "old" movies alone and work on NEW projects and start NEW franchises and stories. But that takes serious skill though. And that is where the issue starts.
Which is correct I think as I remember Connor to say at the end that Skynets network is still strong but they will win or something (looks like they hold the option open for a 5th movie)aronsearle said:
Crni Vuk said:
Ok, i guess you're right; for mindless action movies they do have an interesting premise, and T1 is very good.
Crni Vuk said:
Now, you're just exaggerating. First, i don't think it was so much of a franchise raping, and second (and this is probably the cause of the aforementioned), IMO, they are not that worthy of that much loyalty and love to be so picky. They are fun action movies with a mildly interesting sci-fi premise and nice aesthetics, that's it.
And to say that i kinda liked the wasteland feel of this movie, and not consider it such a franchise rape is, of course, not the same as saying: "OMFG!!!1! I loooved tehs T4 movie man!!1!!1!"
aronsearle said:
Yes, also, the whole movie tells you that this is happening at just one of the early stages of the war, the most obvious of which, is the fact that Connor is not yet the top-man in the resistance, but he gets there when he stops many of the land forces from launching the attack on the skynet facility, and when the HQ submarine gets conveniently destroyed.
x'il said:
you forgot to say here "for YOU" they are not that worthy of loyality. Everyone has a different experience regarding it and I am sure you have the one or other movie/franchise that you see just as serious like I do and a few others here. I remember to have a different oppinion and experience regarding the Terminator franchise. I agree that its first and foremost a "action flick" which I never see any issue with it. Thing is just that its a action movie I can remember without thinking all to much about any kind of error and as a movie which for me at least somewhat changed the way I think about action movies particularly when you look for the details T1 and T2 in my eyes at least raised the "standart" and quality of the presented action upwards. The people in T1 feel like "humans", not like actors on steroids that manage to survive everything from heart attacks to broken limbs. The SWAT and police in T2 actualy "somewhat" had a behaviour as i would expect it (with my amateurish knowledge) from them and same to the behaviour and mechanics of the weapons shown in both movies, again this is all from the perspective of some amateur that has not much experienc with weapons but compared to other action movies the whole stiuations seem to feel more natural. The fighting scenes are compared to T4 rare but more impressive cause they feel more "plausible"
So well it comes down to oppinions. Maybe its just that I am nostalgic. I dont know it. But I always seen a bit more then "just" action in T1 and T2. But thats me.