/pol/shit, Or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the shitposting

[TheHouseAlwaysWins]

Sure you don't, considering the fact you are second generation immigrant from a family that gave up and ran away from their homeland, exchanging everything good and wrong in their own cultural heritage for a system built by someone else, instead of staying and trying to improve the situation in a country fucked up by war. That's something a fair weather citizen and a perverted metrosexual pederast such as you can't grok at all - the concept of slowly building up your own social and cultural structures generation by generation, taking the good things from cultural background of your predecessors and improving the bad and ugly things in your own heritage. You cannot understand it since you're ready to do the same any day of the year - the moment your country would be endangered, you'll just pack your things up and run away to the most developed economy with strong social system willing to take care of your pitiful existence, willingly leaving behind everything your parents worked hard for and spent their lives to achieve.

The way you think is very European-centric and doesn't apply to new world. I am Irish and I don't think my family was here in WW1.

It's also easy to say stuff like this when you aren't in a war and are outnumbered by the other side of it.

So, this has nothing to do with concept of nation, it's much more related to the genealogical chain of your own predecessors, their hard work, or their own creativity forged into folklore through the centuries and preserved for future generations against all odds. Including wars, military occupation, slavery, or just any other systematicall attempt of your opressors to erase your own cultural roots in favor of something they consider to be more appropriate. Since you don't have anything like that and you don't know it personally, you simply can't understand it. No matter how advanced or different other cultures are, for me it's a matter of respect and personal responsibility toward my predecessors to preserve what they've created and I highly respect any other man trying to do the same for his own culture, as long as he doesn't try to achieve his goal by subduing or erasing my own cultural heritage in the process. The world would be incredibly boring place with one "universal" culture and unified society, controlled by global overlords and deprived of thousands flavours every single ethnic group is bringing in.

You dodged the question of nationalism's negative effects to make a "my ancestors" speech.

Caring and being proud of your country is called Patriotism. Caring about your country and wanting its violent, hateful, subversive, untrustworthy and unhelpful waste-of-benefits Gimmiegrants and illegal aliens to fuck off is a part of Patriotism.

The latter is generally known as nationalism. It relies on generalization to get rid of entire peoples that you consider threats because they don't believe that Jesus will come back after being dead for 2 thousand years, they don't have blue eyes or, whatever without considering their individual merits or accomplishments. That's racial profiling.

Would you let two hobos into your house? How about five? What if some of them are drug addicts, what if some of them shit on your stairs, what if you end up with twenty seven hobos living in your house, eating your food and draining your money, and only one hobo even bothers to do chores, and even then, all he does is help dry the dishes after you wash them?

You are dehumanizing even though you consider Christianity important? Christianity is a religion that's based on humility and helping the weak, why do you think its important if you completely miss the surface basics of it?

The entire history of America is based off immigration btw. I say this as someone who's family line is irish and only immigrated around WW1. Irish were hated along with everyone else as worthless hobos regardless if we served as veterans or not for it.

"Gimmiegrants should fuck off" is not extremist, and "Gimmiegrants should fuck off home" is not calling for extermination.

You think that Nazi Germany told the common peasant that they were going to destroy all the jews and the people they considered bad like poles, slavs, gays, disabled people, and so on with it? No, all they said was that they were going to solve the Jewish question. The nazis accomplished this by slowly dehumanizing whatever they considered their enemy before obliterating them completely.

"Gas the jews, race war now", THAT is extremist. And I think you've noticed it's only anonymous people on /pol/ who call for race wars against religions (seriously am i taking crazy pills or is everyone else taking them). Fuck those guys, and fuck anyone who tries to paint the entire alt-right as full of those guys. If you say "Pokemon fans, transgender people, and Batman fans are as bad as Nazis", you're going to piss off Pokemon fans, transgender people, Batman fans, and Nazis. It's the same deal here when liberals yelled "All white people are inherently racist" for sixty years.

The jews were a common minority in Germany but they weren't common enough to collectively fight back, a lot of jews were friends with common Germans and were even friends with members of the Nazi party. You don't attack a group like that all of a sudden, you do it through gradual dehumanization and violence. Why are you bringing up random fandoms in a discussion about politics?

As for the whole "Cultural differences thing", I'm starting to suspect you don't really get this topic.

It's ok for foreigners to celebrate their own holidays in my country. It's not ok for them to say I can't celebrate my holidays in my own country. And if Vegans were the ones committing a large majority of the rapes and aggravated assaults and crimes in general despite being a minority of the overall population, while committing acts of terrorism against me and my cops and my country and while calling me the evil white meat-eating Nazi who's inherently a Nazi because he eats meat sometimes, I'd be sick of their shit.

How are you being oppressed? Christians in western countries are the majority and don't have to worry about problems like having their country being destroyed by extremist movements/foreign interference like in the middle east or being shoved into ghettos. The US was found to be a secular country that supports freedom to celebrate ALL religions. If a muslim serves in a war for the US he's less of a citizen than some Christian who's on welfare in the south or midwest of it?

 

[valcik]

The way you think is very European-centric and doesn't apply to new world.

I don't know what the new world mean so I can't argue with you on this.

It's also easy to say stuff like this when you aren't in a war and are outnumbered by the other side of it.

I lived under Soviet military occupation after army of Warsaw pact counting half a million men invaded Czechoslovakia and I didn't run anywhere. Our family has lost any private property including my own grandfathers' bakery so we started from scratch after that, country went through many turbulent events including revolutions and couple of government overthrowings in post-communist times with state economy totally ruined, so it was not easy ride for any of us, mind you.

You dodged the question of nationalism's negative effects to make a "my ancestors" speech.

Did I? As explained, nationalism or fascism has nothing to do with caring of my own cultural heritage. That's just a strawman modern leftists keep flailing around in order to excuse their own cowardly opportunism.

 

[Crni Vuk]

There are people which feel 'proud' about Germany, all the thinkers and great cultural achievements but are easily triggered when you mention Hitler. Or the nationalism that lead to WW1. Or Colonialism. Naw. Suddenly it's, don't blame me for that stuff! I wasn't responsible! Which isn't what I even mean, no one born after those events is to 'blame' for it. But if you can feel pride, then you can also feel shame. No? Oh I see, it's just a one way ticket.

The thing is, growing up in a certain culture or nation isn't an achievement. It's simply something that happens. Like an accident or something. You can only feel proud about your own struggle, the things you did or achieved. And that's true for our parents, just as it's true for our grand parents and their parents and so on. We have no say in where we are born or where we grow up. I can not be proud for my parents if they staid in Serbia and I can not feel 'ashamed' that they moved to Germany. They just did it. I had absolutely no say in that. I can only be happy that I had a chance to grow up in a nation with a good infrastructure, and stable economy and government which allows the individual enough freedom to make his own choices and try to give society as much back as possible.

I like how you put "often" and "very" on there so you have wiggle room.

It's just that I think patriotism should be more about:

- My country can do better!

and not about:

- DAMN YOU FUCKS WHY DON'T YOU SALUTE TO A FLAG THAT I DID NOTHING FOR IN A COUNTRY I DID NOTHING FOR!

Can you honestly tell me we're seeing rational and nuanced debates about patriotism these days that's really nothing more but just blind nationalism? You know I find something funny. When Trump says, those motherfuckers should be kicked out of the NFL for not 'standing' during the national anthem, people cheer, yeah! Someone's telling it how it is! Those fucks hate this country! But when Trump is licking Putins cock at a press conference infront of the world and everyone but Russia is at fault for hacking the servers during an ellection, that's suddenly nothing to worry about for them.

Don't you think, that this patriotism thing is like a religion for many out there, a flute that politicans always play when they want the nation to do something that's either questionable or something they would usually not do? And it's often so full of buzzwords. Support the troops! Respect the flag! Sing the anthem! As like those things make you inherently a better person.

I understand that americans love their country and it's the home of the brave and god knows I do love the US as well for what it represents, liberty, freedom of speech and all that. But this whole patriotism thing, has been definetly missused a hell of a lot of times over the last 30 years. Probably even far longer than that when I remember the conversations between John Adams and Alexander Hamilton.

 

[TheHouseAlwaysWins]

I don't know what the new world mean so I can't argue with you on this.

A lot of the new world aka north and south america hasn't really found its footing on what it wants to be yet hence why America's culture changes so dramatically every few decades or so.

I am not sure if we have found an identity in the same way the UK has.

I lived under Soviet military occupation after army of Warsaw pact counting half a million men invaded Czechoslovakia and I didn't run anywhere. Our family has lost any private property including my own grandfathers' bakery so we started from scratch after that, country went through many turbulent events including revolutions and couple of government overthrowings in post-communist times with state economy totally ruined, so it was not easy ride for any of us, mind you.

I feel sorry for your loss honestly.

Did I? As explained, nationalism or fascism has nothing to do with caring of my own cultural heritage. That's just a strawman modern leftists keep flailing around in order to excuse their own cowardly opportunism.

Slovakia is eastern Europe right? Areas of the world view concepts differently to other areas of the world generally. The way a country like Poland thinks is pretty different to the UK.

 

[Jogre]

Yes, Jogre fails at irony, humor, sarcasm, satire, life in general.

Oh..Crni too. Damn, you two must REALLY think I am a dumbass.

You're on a forum about a 20 year old video game series, mainly frequented by people who like TB CRPGs.

Why are you surprised that the people responding to you are too socially inept to get basic irony?

 

[Atomkilla]

You're on a forum about a 20 year old video game series, mainly frequented by people who like TB CRPGs.

Why are you surprised that the people responding to you are too socially inept to get basic irony?

That's a shitty response, bro.

 

[Jogre]

That's a shitty response, bro.

Why? I thought a bit of self-depreciation would be appreciated.

 

[Pwener]

Why? I thought a bit of self-depreciation would be appreciated.

It's 'self-deprecation.'

 

[Crni Vuk]

Why not self-decapitation.

 

[Pwener]

Why not self-decapitation.

I didn't think their joke was that bad...

 

[Hassknecht]

https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/1025216687711440896

Before televisions and computers were invented, Americans didn’t spend any time staring at television and computer screens -

Thank you, Alex Jones.
See, this is the kind of insight that makes Alex Jones still relevant. People associate Prison Planet mostly with Pyjama "SOOOOOY" Watson these days, but this is the mastermind that makes it all possible.

Well, at least it wasn't blatantly wrong like most of the rest of what he writes.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Well, at least it wasn't blatantly wrong like most of the rest of what he writes.

Are you sure?



Crows? Yeah ... who's going to believe that ...

It's obviously the Bilderberger Group at work again which try to go for one-world-government. Exploding toads or gay frogs, are just one step towards it.

 

[MutantScalper]

David Duke etc. blatant racists blame the Jews, Alex Jones blames "globalists". So if you exchange "globalists" with "Jews" in Alex Jones's speech you pretty much get a David Duke-type racist character. Then again I'm not sure if blaming Jews would even get one banned/sued in US, I mean Duke and many other racists are running around free.

 

[valcik]

American politics is boring. Fresh tidbits from Yuropean politics!

Germans realized they need atomec bamb:
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...hland-staerkt-die-Sicherheit-des-Westens.html
Stronk scary atomec bamb is gut, ja? And what is gut for Germans must be gut for Polant, or perhaps Turkey too, ja? We'll see.

There's a lot of passionate young leftists living in stronk Germany with awesome economy and welfare system, including millions of first and second generation immigrants very sound while boasting how proud they are to do the best for their new fatherland. Yet there's not enough men willing to step in and voluntarily join Wehrmacht, so Germans are contemplating to recruit outlanders for protecting their brave population:
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/heut...undeswehr-eu-auslaender-als-soldaten-100.html
Bullshit, knee deep bullshit everywhere!

 

[TorontoReign]

There are people which feel 'proud' about Germany, all the thinkers and great cultural achievements but are easily triggered when you mention Hitler. Or the nationalism that lead to WW1. Or Colonialism. Naw. Suddenly it's, don't blame me for that stuff! I wasn't responsible! Which isn't what I even mean, no one born after those events is to 'blame' for it. But if you can feel pride, then you can also feel shame. No? Oh I see, it's just a one way ticket.

The thing is, growing up in a certain culture or nation isn't an achievement. It's simply something that happens. Like an accident or something. You can only feel proud about your own struggle, the things you did or achieved. And that's true for our parents, just as it's true for our grand parents and their parents and so on. We have no say in where we are born or where we grow up. I can not be proud for my parents if they staid in Serbia and I can not feel 'ashamed' that they moved to Germany. They just did it. I had absolutely no say in that. I can only be happy that I had a chance to grow up in a nation with a good infrastructure, and stable economy and government which allows the individual enough freedom to make his own choices and try to give society as much back as possible.



It's just that I think patriotism should be more about:

- My country can do better!

and not about:

- DAMN YOU FUCKS WHY DON'T YOU SALUTE TO A FLAG THAT I DID NOTHING FOR IN A COUNTRY I DID NOTHING FOR!

Can you honestly tell me we're seeing rational and nuanced debates about patriotism these days that's really nothing more but just blind nationalism? You know I find something funny. When Trump says, those motherfuckers should be kicked out of the NFL for not 'standing' during the national anthem, people cheer, yeah! Someone's telling it how it is! Those fucks hate this country! But when Trump is licking Putins cock at a press conference infront of the world and everyone but Russia is at fault for hacking the servers during an ellection, that's suddenly nothing to worry about for them.

Don't you think, that this patriotism thing is like a religion for many out there, a flute that politicans always play when they want the nation to do something that's either questionable or something they would usually not do? And it's often so full of buzzwords. Support the troops! Respect the flag! Sing the anthem! As like those things make you inherently a better person.

I understand that americans love their country and it's the home of the brave and god knows I do love the US as well for what it represents, liberty, freedom of speech and all that. But this whole patriotism thing, has been definetly missused a hell of a lot of times over the last 30 years. Probably even far longer than that when I remember the conversations between John Adams and Alexander Hamilton.

I honestly think that is because your country is responsible for the Holocaust. For a German to be UBER PATRIOTIC some might see it as wrong, or at least, people like you might. I think that is bullshit, but to each their own.

I agree with you that Patriotism has been twisted a lot, but you are twisting it one way, the government the other, and people are fed up. It's either you are a TIN FOIL PATRIOT or a RACIST NATIONALIST PATRIOT or a TERRORIST PATRIOT but never simply a PATRIOT - that served his goddamn country and has a right to call himself such. The points Valcik has been making all ring mostly true to me. You look down on people for fighting what they believe in while you proselytize the masses from your high podium. Plus you keep repeating this same shit over and over again. We get it. You don't like Patriotism and guns are bad unless they are in the hand of your jack booted government official of choice.

Nobody said they are achieving anything by being proud of their fucking country. Yes, being born in a certain region of the world is not special, but what it has accomplished can be. Yes, being born there shaped your opinion, so it is ultimately meaningless. So is this conversation. We shouldn't be having it.

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1024683828684763138?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1024683828684763138&ref_url=https://s9e.github.io/iframe/twitter.min.html#1024683828684763138

https://twitter.com/justinlaith529/status/1024784912761548800?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1024784912761548800&ref_url=https://s9e.github.io/iframe/twitter.min.html#1024784912761548800

 

[MutantScalper]

Huh. Someone should make a "The heat is maing me cranky"-thread

And yea Zegh it's been pretty brutal for Scandinavia/Nordic countries. Have had + 30 degree Celcius days in a row up here in the north where I live. My place heats up even hotter since I don't have any real air conditioning. Going to the beach and water helps.

On another note, they concluded that the Las Vegas shooter didn't have a motive. He "maybe was a little quirky and funny in the head" is the grand final academic thesis by the investigators.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/03/6355...gation-closed-no-motive-found?t=1533389864344

Isn't that the most effed up thing ever? "It just happens". Shit happens. Deal with it yank.

Timeline of the events.

 

[SilverStarApple/Epsilon7]

You know what sucks about arguing with liberals?

They think they're clever. They think they're too clever for things like logic, reason, patriotism, maturity, any of that crap the TV liberal talk-shows brainwashed them into hating.

They think that if they laugh at an argument, it stops being an argument. They think that if they laugh at a fact, it stops being a fact. And they think if they call you any of their Bad Words, it makes you lose the argument.

You point out some bullshit one of them said, and another one will jump in and say "I never said that, why can't you tell the difference between us?" because he's that desperate and so's the rest of his liar squad.

They aren't going to think seriously about what you have to say unless it's close enough to what they repeat, because they already consider a "Fucking right-winger commie-hater jew-hater white male" showing up and speaking to them an absolute novelty. They aren't here to see if they're actually right or not, they're here to try and "Beat" you, and when you debunk one lie they repeat, they'll repeat another, hoping you don't have something bookmarked and prepared for that one. And if one of them lies and another one knows it's a lie, he won't say anything, because he hates you more than he likes thinking.

Hell, at one point, I debunked the same lie repeated for a fourth time in as many pages while doing a Pewdiepie impression, just to keep this herculean "Argue with a brick wall" task feeling a little different from how it usually goes. Hell, there are points where liberals just circlejerk with each other about what an icky meanie jerkpants they feel I'm being. It doesn't contribute to the discussion, it just reminds you how childish they are.

At one point, I asked why one dishonest libtard was making such a big deal out of his JIDF membership, with the anti-anti-jew stuff in his signature and his attempts to associate not wanting guns banned with hating jews and all, and what was his response? "Why do YOU make such a big deal about NOT LIKING ME AND AGREEING WITH ME?!". You can't make this stuff up, folks. Calling them children would be an insult to children. They have to believe you're racist sexist bigoted child-killing jew-haters for the same reason they have to believe they're smarter than you, they're too stupid to debate. They don't think, and they don't reason. They "Feel". They "Feel" you're a bigoted stupid jew-hater and they "Feel" like they're smarter than you and they "Feel" that the TV voices are always trustworthy if they're liberal.

I've argued with liberals for over ten pages in this thread, http://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/gun-control.206541/page-95 and I can see why so many non-liberals ended up just unfollowing the thread and giving up on talking to these propagandized sheep. Look at that thread! It ended up on over seven layers of derailment, thanks to liberals pivoting the discussion away to another topic every time they realized they were wrong but didn't want to admit it.

I post a video debunking the gun myths these spiteful gunphobes calling for "More Gun Control" and "An End to Gun Culture", and they don't watch it.



I post a video debunking the pro-commie shit one idiot says to try and distract me, and he cries "That man's only mad because colleges are propagandizing kids to hate western values! I feel that means he'd rather propagandize kids to love western values". I explain why he's wrong there(Colleges are meant to embody western values by being places where ideas can be discussed freely and debated over, but the left hates debate because the left fears losing and looking dumb), he understands it, he refuses to say "Ok yeah, now I understand, thank you for taking the time to educate me" and he instead starts duh-huh-huhing because nine years ago, the guy in the video said something nice about Christianity the liberal hated so much, he decided to maliciously misrepresent it and proceed to repeatedly insult me for trying to explain how he was seriously that mistaken.



I should have unfollowed the thread and walked away the second one libtard said "There are no major marxist or left-wing American voices, only mind republicans".

 

[MutantScalper]

Rather than stupid animated rants from some shady gun loonie I suggest you watch that timeline video. It was only through sheer luck and things that more than 58 didn't die in that shooting. 20 k people bunched up like that? If Paddock had kept on firing long bursts when the people were still all bunched up there would have been 100 + dead, easily, maybe even 200 or 300 +. Remember Paddock wasn't military or ex-military and didn't really have that style training.

He was also using bump stocks, with a full auto belt fed there would have been much more carnage. And yes, those too are available in the States if you have the dough, and Paddock had the dough. He also had fertilizer etc. in his car and could have made a huge car bomb or several if he had wanted to.

I honestly think that is because your country is responsible for the Holocaust. For a German to be UBER PATRIOTIC some might see it as wrong, or at least, people like you might. I think that is bullshit, but to each their own.

I agree with you that Patriotism has been twisted a lot, but you are twisting it one way, the government the other, and people are fed up. It's either you are a TIN FOIL PATRIOT or a RACIST NATIONALIST PATRIOT or a TERRORIST PATRIOT but never simply a PATRIOT - that served his goddamn country and has a right to call himself such. The points Valcik has been making all ring mostly true to me. You look down on people for fighting what they believe in while you proselytize the masses from your high podium. Plus you keep repeating this same shit over and over again. We get it. You don't like Patriotism and guns are bad unless they are in the hand of your jack booted government official of choice.

Nobody said they are achieving anything by being proud of their fucking country. Yes, being born in a certain region of the world is not special, but what it has accomplished can be. Yes, being born there shaped your opinion, so it is ultimately meaningless. So is this conversation. We shouldn't be having it.

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1024683828684763138?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1024683828684763138&ref_url=https://s9e.github.io/iframe/twitter.min.html#1024683828684763138

https://twitter.com/justinlaith529/status/1024784912761548800?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1024784912761548800&ref_url=https://s9e.github.io/iframe/twitter.min.html#1024784912761548800

Who decides who's a patriot? The gun loonies? NRA, a private marketing firm for the gun industry?

And about your hero, Alex Jones, he's being sued big time. Over harassment of the Sandy Hook parents.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/alex-jones-defamation-suit-sandy-hook.html

 

[zegh8578]

*uncontrollable urge to spaz almighty*

Do you not get exhausted from behaving like this? I mean... life, man... is this it? Is this what you see before you when you contemplate the impact of the one life you have been granted in this world? Get up in the morning, spaz like noone else can, then go to bed oozing from your eyes with adrenaline? Christ, man...

Have you ever considered some good, hard drugs?

 

[TorontoReign]

Who decides who's a patriot? The gun loonies? NRA, a private marketing firm for the gun industry?

And about your hero, Alex Jones, he's being sued big time. Over harassment of the Sandy Hook parents.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/alex-jones-defamation-suit-sandy-hook.html

I hope your hero is being used sarcastically.