Political Spergatory or How I Learned To Love /pol

Do I think a percentage of income taken out for tax is fair?
Yes.
How does that work? The first person pays a pittance, the second pays enough to buy the first person a boat; both are paying for the very same thing; rights & services of citizenship.

**Should bake sales price their cookies on the customer's ability to pay? Sould some parents have to pay $350 for a cookie?
 
We should do like Trump said and return to getting our income on tarrifs and actually producing things people want to buy again.

Also cut all of those useless social programs including social security and bundle them all into Medicare For All.

However the United States is so in debt that for the long forseeable future we will all be running around trying to pay our loans back to Switzerland.

That way we can't negotiate and continue serving out our contract to be TEAM AMERICA WORLD JEW POLICE.

What else would I say other than JEW?

Israel?

Like I said, the only thing the IRS and people in the mix of the machine care about is leveraging future money that will not manifest until long after they are dead. They go all in for this stock option or the opposing one because they are tools. They get the rewards upfront now and leverage their or other people's assets to pay back the loan. They play games all the time with peoples heads to make the prices of real estate and precious metals go up and down and up, make a shitload off of the difference. Write subprime mortgages that a family can't pay back while the value of the property goes up and the bank gets an appreciated piece of real estate for cheap. Then we can kick all the ethnics out and have rich liberal kids move in that are 200,000 in debt but have a bachelors degree. Now you have a millenial family of 2 paying out the ass for a shitbox that costs twice as much as it's actually worth. The game goes on.

That is what most speculation is. I take out a shitload of money for a business and live it up NOW, trying to predict the future so that my kids take care of it. I teach my kids the art of the steal and make sure they bet on both sides and play them against each other.

That's what Democrat and Republican is, it's the heart that moves the cholesterol around the organs so the big fat pig at the top can stay buttered and in charge.
 
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How does that work? The first person pays a pittance, the second pays enough to buy the first person a boat; both are paying for the very same thing; rights & services of citizenship.
Who has more representation in society? The wealthy man, or the not wealthy man? Who is afforded more opportunities and freedoms due to their wealth? Why should the man that has benefited from society so well (especially if inherited) only pay the same as the college student who is working to increase their financial situation? You view tax as an infringement on rights and hard earned rewards. Taxes are an investment in our own society that we all contribute to. If you have found tremendous success in the system you should also be expected to contribute to that systems continued stability and success proportional to what you're getting from it.

Many billionaires support efforts to rehaul our tax system that would see them pay more anyways. there will always be abusers at the extremes. let's not throw the baby out with the bath water though.

Equal tax for a carpenter and an oil magnate doesn't sound like the best society. Sounds like either a return to robber barons, or possibly feudalism.
Taxes can still be corrupt both in how they are collected and applied, but there is no alternative that is better. Expecting each man to pull their own weight in the most ideal way as to not need taxes is just the individualist counterpart to the collectivist communist. I don't even know what a society that everyone pulls their own weight in such a way as to not need collective investments like tax even looks like. Probably small. like a community of craftsmen, similar to small communities of communists oddly enough. I just can't see these as realist solutions that would scale in size as society grew.
**Should bake sales price their cookies on the customer's ability to pay? Sould some parents have to pay $350 for a cookie?
No. The baker determines the price as they see fit to sell it at. If people find it to be worth the price they will pay it (with exception to consumer protection laws). If you're looking to tax based on goods and services it will largely take care of itself with the associated costs of the goods and then in turn the % of tax applied as we do now.
 
This system only works if you believe in god. If you don't believe in god, then you do anything that gets you material gain rather than pursue that which makes you happy.
 
Sure and I bet your thirty thousand duseldorfs a year really contribute.
I don't know what you're saying.

Not when it pays for their food and light bills.
No, I mean the question, do we live to work or do we work to live? What constitutes as labour is infact a very philosobhical question where you have basically two sides where one side believes humans will always do some kind of work because it's in our nature and where the other side belives humans are inherently lazy by nature. Who's right? Who's wrong? This point has been debated for well, troughout most of human history.

But one thing is clear. The definition of what constitutes as labour has always changed. People had 500 years ago a completely different idea about work/labour compared to today. This idea that you would actually spend your time working for someone else for monetary gains is a relatively new development in human society. Most of history was either about slaves and/or peasants doing the labour - where actually doing physical labour to "survive" was seen as dirty work for the commoners. The overwhelming majority of people have been peasants one way or another. And there was often not a strict line between work and just living. Those things have often been conected.

The way how we define work today is a very limited definition. And it is very likely that it will change over time just as how it has changed over the the course of history.

Different jobs pay different amounts depending upon actual needs.

Again. At some point it is physically impossible to put the manhours in to create the wealth that we're talking about with billionairs. The only way to achieve it is trough exponential growth. In other words you let others create the value for you. This is expressed in the form of shares billionairs own from companies. The value is in the company and the work is done within the company.

Again. It is entirely possible to make millions trough your own labour. But not billions. You can only achieve this trough the work of others. There is physically no other way to do this. Because you can not put the work hours in.

If you think this is not the case then prove me wrong and show me someone who did it trough his "own" work rather than the work of others. There is no "self-made" billionair out there. Because they do not exist. Steve Jobs, Gates, Musk, Bezos you name it. They ALL are shareholders in companies. The value again is in the company which is made up of employees and consumers. And this is NOT(!) a controversial thought. It's pretty much the basics of economics. Lare corporations are not one-man shows.
 
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That's because this is a low resolution argument @Crni Vuk . A better way to look at the differences between an owner and his employees are terms of real value and not labels which are abused. The initiative and vision, as well as the planning and execution of a said organization in order to function properly is a skillset that is more advanced and is entitled to more compensation than that of the average worker.

However this is taken to the extreme with different mindsets of bipolar back and forth with the goalpost.

What needs to be understood by and large is that workers are negotiating their own contracts, and have a right to negotiate them. However, they do not teach that to the average asshole who works somewhere like Dollar General because the designed complex of that entire buisness is a copy of every other massively owned corporate franchise. They play down your ability as an individual to negotiate your own work contracts and place upon you their class structure which is false, unconstitutional, and high treason if you want to get technical.
 
Who has more representation in society? The wealthy man, or the not wealthy man?
In politics? Well sure, money talks; money fixes the potholes, and pays for election campaigns.



Who is afforded more opportunities and freedoms due to their wealth?
That's what wealth IS; more wealth equates to more opportunities and freedoms; it's cause & effect.

What you describe is like a suburbanite buying three cars because they can afford it—and blaming them because their neighbor cannot afford more than one. (...or none)
It appears as though you might side with the notion to brute -[violent]- force any wealthy person to raise up their neighbors before having the gall to buy a second car. (...when their neighbors might be jerks, or lay-abouts.)

Have your read the Odyssey? Those suitors are as old as humanity, and the type still exists to this day. They surf on the waves made by others, and take whatever they can by whatever means they can. These are people that walk out of a catered party with the host's cheese plates; sticking it to the rich is a malignant thrill. I have worked parties like this; even seen staff abscond with decorations that I created.

Not equal contributions; they pay more, and are hated behind their backs. (Sure... some of them earn that enmity, but all of them get it.)

Why should the man that has benefited from society so well (especially if inherited)
Inherited wealth is not free; a rich brat might not deserve it—nor ever do anything good with it, but it was their parents' gift to them; not their gift to the masses. No one [else] should have a right to that.

Taxes are an investment in our own society that we all contribute to.
But not equally. :(

Many billionaires support efforts to rehaul our tax system that would see them pay more anyways. there will always be abusers at the extremes. let's not throw the baby out with the bath water though.
Some of the wealthy seem to imagine the sword of Damocles above them, and might say anything to appear charitable, and almost publically appologetic of their own wealth... for sake of appearances. Unless it was an outright gift to them, I don't believe a word of it—not if they accomplished it themselves. They should have too much self respect for that to be true.

There is nothing wrong with allowing Billionaires to optionally pay more in taxes; nor even to incentivise them to do it. But it is wrong to punish a person for their success.

Equal tax for a carpenter and an oil magnate doesn't sound like the best society.
People do what they are trained for, or talented at; sometimes both. Not all jobs lead to a high salary, not all jobs are worth a high salary, or daily wage. Mandating them to be so does harm anyone needing to hire someone. Why should the oil magnate be singled out for a larger share of the bill than anyone else?

The reason seems to be because they are mentally capable of running an oil company; again, punish the tall poppies.

When an employer has a budget that allows for a finite number of employees, they can stay afloat with those employees. But when forced to nearly double their wages... That doesn't nearly double their sales as well, nor does it halve their operating costs—it just makes their business cost more to run; meaning that prices go up, and there is less reason to run the business. They will very likely have to lay off employees until they can afford to pay the number of those remaining.

No. The baker determines the price as they see fit to sell it at. If people find it to be worth the price they will pay it (with exception to consumer protection laws). If you're looking to tax based on goods and services it will largely take care of itself with the associated costs of the goods and then in turn the % of tax applied as we do now.
But two adjacent bakers can sell very different amounts; one might be a wretched cook, or just average, while the other is by their own talent, exceptional....and... the exceptional one will pay more in taxes for this. Why then should they bother running a bakery, or in the very least why should they care to make better baked goods instead of merely average? They literally get penalized for being the tall poppies.

*Consumer protection laws [mentioned above] should not be allowed to affect price. If I want to sell $95 cups of lemonaid —(or $40 bottled water), I should be able to, and everyone should be able to laugh at it, and go make their own.
[...unless, unless it's found to be worth it; to be so unnervingly good as to pay the price for it. There is nothing wrong with selling $95 lemonade opposite several other stands selling cups for 50¢. And when you close with a few thousand dollars, it was not unfair to the other vendors. You took the risk, you succeeded, you profited.]

Again. At some point it is physically impossible to put the manhours in to create the wealth that we're talking about with billionairs.
And it's not necessary... The [future] billionaire pays work-for-hire (like anyone else), just on a larger scale.

A landscaping crew who designs a multi acre back yard gets paid for it, and at that pay is in lieu of the client doing the work themselves; for all intents afterward (except litigation for bad yard work), the client has done the work themselves. The crew has no claim to it—they were paid.
 
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What needs to be understood by and large is that workers are negotiating their own contracts, and have a right to negotiate them.

More and more people are fed up with "corporate" America though so to speak. And it's not only money. People are getting seriously sick in the current work environment. And they have been for a long time. You have an opioid crisis which has been going for decades, depressions, anxiety and many other psychological issues are growing, sucicide rates are increasing. A lot of it has been going under the radar. But things are getting rather serious for a lot of people. And I am talking from experience here.

How long is this going to continue? Till the crucial infrastructure has been completely destroyed? Till half of the population is too sick to actually do something meaningful?

The [future] billionaire pays work-for-hire (like anyone else), just on a larger scale.
How?

I am really asking my self if you've been sleeping under a rock for the past 3 years or so. Again if this pandemic has shown us one thing very clearly. Than it is that we need the "ordinary" workers a lot more than any billionaire to run the whole show. Billionaires do not drive the trucks that deliver your food, products and resources. They do not nurse when you end up inside a hospital. They do not even develope the solutions that make sure our every day lives work as how it should. Most billionairs are not even engineers or researchers working their asses off here.

The shelves in Britain are empty(!) not because Billionairs are leaving the country. But because delivery/truck drivers are missing! And it seems very likely that we'll see more shortages on a global scale because there is a serious shift in labour force happening all around the world. Like wtf guys. Screw Billionairs.

You can't eat Teslas or Spacerockets as flashy as they are. And I personaly put more value in ordinary amazon workers than Bezos. Because that is where the WEALTH(!) is created - Stackeholder value vs Shareholder value! Seriously even the World Econoic Forum is making that a statement. And it was a debated topic in Davos as well.

And yet you and a few others are playing the devils advocate for billionairs. Why? Is 1 Elon or Bezos more worth than all the Nurses in America? Will Musk personaly come down and stay at your bed when you end up in a hospital because of some health issue? Does Bezos drive all the delivery trucks in America all by him self? If Musk would die tomorrow in a car accident I promise you the world will continue to spin just as it did yesterday. The companies he owns stocks will continue to generate profits. Because the thousands of people that go to work there every day will continue to do so.

Look at it this way. Steve Jobs who actually was pretty skilled in marketing and design has been dead for quite some time now. And? Who's runing the company now? Has Apple been destroyed? It still exists. They still manufacture their products. They still make their profits.

This idea that one single individual is responsible for the success of billion dollar companies is crazy. There is a whole board of share holders behind it, marketing departments, design and technological experts working everywhere, data analysts and thousands of more people doing their jobs somewhere.

That's what wealth IS; more wealth equates to more opportunities and freedoms; it's cause & effect.
So you kinda agree that the US has become an Oligarchy at this point?

What's that saying about the (classic) libertarian and democratic principles that are always championed as the guiding principle for the nation.
 
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[Abridged, but not skipped; I'd only decided a reply to this bit, so far.]
So you kinda agree that the US has become an Oligarchy at this point?

What's that saying about the (classic) libertarian and democratic principles that are always championed as the guiding principle for the nation.
No. I say that one is responsible for one's own wealth & well-being —excepting the case of outright gifts; (but even that usually requires prior actions).

I see lots of opinions that the wealthy sit on their ass an let the money grow [while doing nothing], and it's the same root lament that people have when their neighbors get "free" fruit from their back yard—why do they get free fruit? (Because they planted the tree, or had the sense to buy it.)

People ignore the groundwork that leads to sitting back and reaping the rewards of one's past actions. Some people complain that they work all day shifts, and see some guy come in for an hour; earning more than they will in three days——but they can't do his job, they didn't learn the trade.

The Dire Straits have a song about this; 'Money for Nothing', The singer scoffs at the musicians' perks, while their own jobs are not glamorous, and pay a relative pittance. Which job is more substantial? Not the musicians', and yet the factory workers might well be paying the musicians by buying their tickets. The musicians learned their craft, and the skill makes all the difference in the world.

All the —people— have to do is forswear buying from Amazon, and Tesla; stop using Facebook/Meta. Not so easy? Again it's the ground work. Amazon was a bookseller, Tesla stock was what—six dollars in 2012? People use those companies because it's worth it to them—that doesn't happen without planning, and implementation.

It would appear that people judge the outcome by only the input. Two brothers can put the same money, and the same hours into identical farms, and yet it's the choice of crop [and business accumen] that determines the wealthiest of the two. One grows alfalfa, and the other grows truffles. Small wonder the truffle farmer can soon afford to pay a company to farm his truffles while he sips tea in the field opposite his toiling brother. (And his kids sit with him... and they might get the farm and keep sipping tea while the hired company keeps farming their crops... The company has no claim to the work, they got paid for it.)

Opinions here would seem to imply the farmer (or even his kids) did something wrong, or deserve aspersions for having a crop they didn't till by hand.
 
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No. I say that one is responsible for one's own wealth & well-being —excepting the case of outright gifts; (but even that usually requires prior actions).
I do not believe you will find anyone here who does not agree with that principle.

I see lots of opinions that the wealthy sit on their ass an let the money grow [while doing nothing]
And I also often see that people are more concerned about the supposed well-fare queens cracking down on those and suddenly talk about "responsibility" and "society" while completely ignoring the responsibility of very wealthy people to not cause damage trough their wealth. Be it trough monoplies, lobbying, corruption and so on. Strange enough people see "wellfare" as handouts but when corporations which are run by well billionairs get money it's called "subsidies". And of course all the money thrown at military contractors and bail outs are always good too. Well I don't say that you necessarily agree with all of this. Don't get me wrong here. But the sentient and focus always seems a bit strange to me. And then people act surprise when something like the occupy movement, the insurection or riots happen. Why don't you see such riots in countries with really good wellfare states? Like Denmark, Norway, Switzerland and the like?

I mean when societies see too much inequality people well you know they tend to start revolutions when things get really out of hand. And they do not always lead to better outcomes. Quite often they make things worse actually. So it is even in the interest of wealthy folks to have stable societies and make sure that it stays that way and that wealth is within reason distributed among the public. Call it compensation, justice, hell you would probably describe it as holding someone hostage I guess. Call it what ever you want. But the end result is all the same. If you do nothing things at some point tend to implode. The frustration of the people will always go somewhere. Be it in riots or someone storming the capitol.

So when the shit hits the fan no one will ask for the reasons and heads will be roling and it will most likely hit the wrong people as it always does with revolutions. It is a fact of history that redistribution of wealth will happen viollently at some point when people get desperate enough and feel they are cheated and have no rights or way for participation. Be it economically or politically.

All the —people— have to do is forswear buying from Amazon, and Tesla; stop using Facebook/Meta. Not so easy? Again it's the ground work. Amazon was a bookseller, Tesla stock was what—six dollars in 2012? People use those companies because it's worth it to them—that doesn't happen without planning, and implementation.
Like I ever said that was not the case. I am just making the argument that those kind of things are only possible due to the joint effort of a hell of a lot of skilled people - albeit there is among economists the conversation that Tesla might be overvalued as a company but that's a whole different story.

I also never said everyone should start to boycott Amazon or Tesla or what ever. The whole point I am making is that someone should simply recognize the factors that play a role here and that neglecting those can lead to severe issues.
 
Yeah look who's talking, maybe Putin should rather look what's happening in his home. He's the last person that should lecture someone or some culture.

Sergey Savelyev doesn't look like someone who spent eight years in a Russian prison and secretly gathered videos of apparent torture and beatings of inmates.

Slight in stature, the 31-year-old Belarusian says he can now sleep a bit better, for the first time in weeks. He has sought asylum in France, having fled Russia fearing for his safety.

He now freely admits he was the whistleblower who handed over more than 1,000 videos to Russian human rights group Gulagu.net.

The videos, which he obtained while working in a prison office during his jail term, caused an outcry in Russia when they emerged online earlier this month.

Russian authorities have since said they have opened criminal investigations into alleged torture and sexual assaults in jails and fired several senior prison officials.

Gulagu.net said the videos not only documented beatings, rape and the humiliation of inmates, but also proved the endemic nature of abuse within the prison system.


Russian inmate who leaked torture videos alleges death threats - BBC News

And speaking about Bolshevism and Marxism, Putin himself has a rather ambigious view when it comes to Stalinism for example.

The creeping Stalinization of consciousness has been underway for years. According to the Levada Analytical Center, an independent pollster, the number of Russians expressing their “respect” for Stalin increased from 29 percent in 2018 to 41 percent in 2019. Stalin’s personal approval rating in his role in Russian history has also been growing steadily, reaching 70 percent last year. (Only 19 percent of those surveyed gave the dictator a negative assessment.) Forty-six percent of respondents in the same survey agreed that the successes achieved in the Soviet era justify the human sacrifices made during Stalinism. The opposite view was held by 45 percent — affirming that many Russians still hold starkly divergent views on the past.

Stalin — as an imaginary rather than actual historical figure, the embodiment of an idea of order and justice — is at the core of Russian perceptions of the glorious past. The Kremlin has done nothing to halt the creeping rehabilitation of Stalin; in fact, it is happy to encourage the cliches of Soviet success wherever it can.

Putin’s historical rhetoric increasingly echoes Stalin’s. When Stalin sent troops off to the front lines against the Nazi invaders on Nov. 7, 1941, he explicitly invoked Great Russian patriotism rather than Marxism-Leninism; Putin now uses the same language. The Kremlin has given new life to Soviet historical symbols. When listing the country’s accomplishments, the average Russian will remember only victory in World War II, Yuri Gagarin’s status as the first man in space, the country’s leading role in space exploration and, in a pinch, the “return” of Crimea to the Russian Federation. Small wonder that the average Russian is inclined to share Putin’s view of the Soviet collapse as “a major geopolitical disaster of the [twentieth] century.”


Opinion | Facing a dim present, Putin turns back to glorious Stalin - The Washington Post

Russia overcoming history? He wish. Right now they actually get back to it.
 
I think we may have irreconcilable differences here in regards to our perspective or principled views on taxes.
That's what wealth IS; more wealth equates to more opportunities and freedoms; it's cause & effect.
There are poor people that will be looked down on for being poor and having fewer opportunities due to accident of birth. This is a two way street. It's human nature.
I don't assign blame to people that have the ability to buy matching G Wagons when their neighbor can't buy one. Inequalities will never go away. Having a society that can mitigate inequalities (within reason) benefits everyone in the long term. They can still buy G Wagons but with a proportional tax just as the first time used Civic buyer will pay their proportional tax. One that will be based on how well you have benefitted from a society and it's infrastructure that exists due a tax system as part of it's operating basis.
Greedy, conniving people that will steal from a business or what have you and disguise it as wealth redistribution suck, but it's not really an argument against a tax system. If anything it would show that a system without tax, that the success of which relies on each man pull their fair share as the replacement is just simply not going to happen on any sizable scale. Can we think of any advanced civilization that operated on such a system? This doesn't even cover how the wealthy can also be corrupt and lazy as well.
Inherited wealth is not free; a rich brat might not deserve it—nor ever do anything good with it, but it was their parents' gift to them; not their gift to the masses. No one [else] should have a right to that.
It is free to the child. There is no getting around that.
I don't mind if wealthy people are able to gift a few million and an estate to their kids(s), etc. Good for them. It becomes a problem when vast resources that were not earned by the recipients are handed over to potentially cause negative consequences for others in society. Especially when that wealth was made possible, in part, by the rest of society and the collective resources that it makes use of. If you are not willing to play by that societies rules then they should very much not enrich themselves off of it. You almost sound like a monarchist here, which if that is the case, would be ironic considering it would lead to far worse individual abuses than what we currently have.
But not equally. :(
True.
There are millionaires that pay less tax than salaried engineers. Apparently there should even be children who potentially inherit generational empires and pay zero taxes....
Some of the wealthy seem to imagine the sword of Damocles above them,
I can't read their minds, but I wont pretend that I don't think that as well in regards to hanging swords. It might also be the case that they see the economic sense that is makes too.
What I will say for certain is that society doesn't run on charity of the wealthy. One of the things it does run on is agreeing to rules about having collective resources to pull from when needed, or in other words "punishments for success".
People do what they are trained for, or talented at; sometimes both. Not all jobs lead to a high salary, not all jobs are worth a high salary, or daily wage.
I mean, to some of this I agree with you. Although, is it being punished for success or syphoning off some of the generated wealth so that it can be put back into the system that makes these things possible in the first place? It's only theft if you don't agree that taxes are useful and are somehow robbing you of what's yours. Maybe they are robbing society that helped make them possible by not paying tax?
But two adjacent bakers can sell very different amounts; one might be a wretched cook, or just average, while the other is by their own talent, exceptional... They literally get penalized for being the tall poppies.
If this were an issue we'd probably see it more, no?
Are they being penalized for success or helping insure that the continued success is achievable to others as well as themselves? Are we just going to privatize everything? Considering that you have countries like China that have lifted literally hundreds of millions out of sustenance communities and into modern lifestyles with taxes that in turn creates a stronger economy with yet more capitalist opportunity how will you counter this with a no tax country? Do you think a libertarian system could do this and be a match for a system like China? Or the US and EU for that matter?
You say that the wealthy are discouraged by taxes as they are basically a punishment. Let's use similar reasoning on workers:
What happens when people are born into wealth and are therefore able to control it's behavior and who can access it? Making yet more money more easily when on the other hand the poor are not able to do so for themselves, their children, or even grandchildren even if they are hard and smart workers? Are they not discouraged from participating in the economy and it's rewards then? Would it not harm the economy and nation just for the continued benefit of a few?
The result probably looks something like the French Revolution, or a failed state that will be usurped by a more stable one.
You see this as a black and white battle of theft when in reality it is the Tao of a successful society.
From various viewpoints a libertarian, tax free economy is:
Economically: Less efficient, less competitive, less stable and more unequal.
Humanly: Less just and less accessible to those who are born into circumstances beyond their control.
Strategically: short sighted
 
Yeah look who's talking, maybe Putin should rather look what's happening in his home. He's the last person that should lecture someone or some culture.

Sergey Savelyev doesn't look like someone who spent eight years in a Russian prison and secretly gathered videos of apparent torture and beatings of inmates.

Slight in stature, the 31-year-old Belarusian says he can now sleep a bit better, for the first time in weeks. He has sought asylum in France, having fled Russia fearing for his safety.

He now freely admits he was the whistleblower who handed over more than 1,000 videos to Russian human rights group Gulagu.net.

The videos, which he obtained while working in a prison office during his jail term, caused an outcry in Russia when they emerged online earlier this month.

Russian authorities have since said they have opened criminal investigations into alleged torture and sexual assaults in jails and fired several senior prison officials.

Gulagu.net said the videos not only documented beatings, rape and the humiliation of inmates, but also proved the endemic nature of abuse within the prison system.


Russian inmate who leaked torture videos alleges death threats - BBC News

And speaking about Bolshevism and Marxism, Putin himself has a rather ambigious view when it comes to Stalinism for example.

The creeping Stalinization of consciousness has been underway for years. According to the Levada Analytical Center, an independent pollster, the number of Russians expressing their “respect” for Stalin increased from 29 percent in 2018 to 41 percent in 2019. Stalin’s personal approval rating in his role in Russian history has also been growing steadily, reaching 70 percent last year. (Only 19 percent of those surveyed gave the dictator a negative assessment.) Forty-six percent of respondents in the same survey agreed that the successes achieved in the Soviet era justify the human sacrifices made during Stalinism. The opposite view was held by 45 percent — affirming that many Russians still hold starkly divergent views on the past.

Stalin — as an imaginary rather than actual historical figure, the embodiment of an idea of order and justice — is at the core of Russian perceptions of the glorious past. The Kremlin has done nothing to halt the creeping rehabilitation of Stalin; in fact, it is happy to encourage the cliches of Soviet success wherever it can.

Putin’s historical rhetoric increasingly echoes Stalin’s. When Stalin sent troops off to the front lines against the Nazi invaders on Nov. 7, 1941, he explicitly invoked Great Russian patriotism rather than Marxism-Leninism; Putin now uses the same language. The Kremlin has given new life to Soviet historical symbols. When listing the country’s accomplishments, the average Russian will remember only victory in World War II, Yuri Gagarin’s status as the first man in space, the country’s leading role in space exploration and, in a pinch, the “return” of Crimea to the Russian Federation. Small wonder that the average Russian is inclined to share Putin’s view of the Soviet collapse as “a major geopolitical disaster of the [twentieth] century.”


Opinion | Facing a dim present, Putin turns back to glorious Stalin - The Washington Post

Russia overcoming history? He wish. Right now they actually get back to it.



This is the book that Russia/Putin is reading from.


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The Fourth Political Theory

Cover of the 2009 Russian edition
Author Aleksandr Dugin
Original title Четвертая политическая теория
Translator Mark Sleboda and Michael Millerman
Country Russia
Language Russian
Subject Political theory
Published 2009 (Amfora)
Published in English
2012 (Arktos Media)
Pages 351 (Russian edn.)
ISBN 978-5-367-01089-3
The Fourth Political Theory (Russian: Четвертая политическая теория, Chetvertaya Politicheskaya Teoriya) is a book by the Russian political analyst and strategist Aleksandr Dugin, published in 2009. In the book, Dugin states that he is laying the foundations for an entirely new political ideology, the fourth political theory, which integrates and supersedes liberal democracy, Marxism, and fascism.[1] In this theory, the main subject of politics is not individualism, class struggle, or nation, but rather Dasein (existence itself).[2]

The book has been cited as an inspiration for Russian policy in events such as the war in Donbas,[3] and for the contemporary European far-right in general.[4]



What's scary is that I somewhat agree with it.
 
Well I can't say much about the book or even Putin for that matter. But he is an autocrat. And Russia is a very cruel place if you're deemed unwated (homosexuals for example). But that's really something you'll find in many east european and slavic countries. My parents are from Serbia for example so ... I know people there have very hatefull views on homosexuals for example. Leave alone any other minority like Transsexuals and Transgenders.

If anything it would show that a system without tax, that the success of which relies on each man pull their fair share as the replacement is just simply not going to happen on any sizable scale. Can we think of any advanced civilization that operated on such a system? This doesn't even cover how the wealthy can also be corrupt and lazy as well.
Somalia has no tax system - that I know of - look how many billionairs are lining up to live there and escape their tax-hells! A truly thriving country with the most free people on the planet I assume.

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Seriously though. There is no reason to really guessing, we know that lowering taxes leads to a worse society. There is proof today. Like Kansas, which almost went bancrupt when hey severely cut taxes with the idea that it will cause some growth and basically paying for it self. Small hint. It never happend. Now republican(!) politicans are even trying to reverse the effect and if they say it's bad then you know how dire the situation is :

 
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Well I can't say much about the book or even Putin for that matter. But he is an autocrat. And Russia is a very cruel place if you're deemed unwated (homosexuals for example). But that's really something you'll find in many east european and slavic countries. My parents are from Serbia for example so ... I know people there have very hatefull views on homosexuals for example. Leave alone any other minority like Transsexuals and Transgenders.



Well the book itself is pretty high-octane koolaid. It's the conclusion of the "end-of-time" by hitting a ceiling with the existential problem of existence. So then what happens is an enlightened return to the cyclical nature of eternity where all class is transcended by choice participation of the warrior and priest classes who rebuild society based upon a post-liberalism enlightened-green puritanism. It's dangerous because the regression is dependent upon what culture this takes place in. For example, Russia going backwards in history is probably going to experience a dark age. The United States will also regress into a dark age.

However it also shows us how entrenched we are in Neo-Liberal/Marxist ideology, since this is only a regression from that perspective. It draws distinct barriers between how religion and spirituality will function in the new age as opposed to how it was organized and understood in the past. It highlights an element of unappreciated progressivism in religion and the church in general that bridges the gap between these times of social change and collapse.

My biggest question is oh OK but what are we going to do about all of the nuclear weapons? I can understand that my spiritual experiences changed my ways of looking at the world from my neo-liberal thinking of the past, but what about those who have not experienced this isolation from society to my extent?

I agree with lots of the core principles that are being played around with here as I too have witnessed the social phenomena as Dugin has, but I am still always suspicious of people who "Speak for everyone."


WHAT I WILL SAY IS

All of his books are BANNED on AMAZON and he's not allowed to visit the U.S.

So whatever it is, the land of feedumb is scared of it. Or atleast the liberal technocrat deepstate are scared of it.
 
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It is free to the child. There is no getting around that.
You misunderstand the point—or choose to ignore it.

The wealth was earned by the one giving it, and they chose how to use it.

To assume that it is free, is to assume that no one strived for it.
Freedom itself isn't free—yet citizens have it; not all of them paid for it.

How dare a child be free without having fought [a war] for it themselves.
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How dare a child own a bike without having bought it for themselves.
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They got it for FREE—so everyone deserves to ride it too! No they didn't (and no they do not).

I know a man who as a teenager, he asked his dad for a baseball glove; his dad said, 'no'.
Turns out the glove cost $18, and that was what his dad was feeding the family on every week.

Do you think his food was free, merely because he didn't pay for it himself? If his dad had bought him that glove, it certainly wouldn't have been free, and he'd have noticed that each day of that week.

He felt pretty bad about asking for it too, once he understood what the cost meant.
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You are talking about an inheritance; that usually comes with the loss of a parent.
 
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