Poll: Would you buy Fallout 5?

Would you buy Fallout 5?

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I'm just saying that it's equally faulty to conclude "they will not fix the problems I have had with their recent games" as to conclude that they will. We simply don't know, since they haven't even started on the game yet.
 
PossibleCabbage said:
I'm just saying that it's equally faulty to conclude "they will not fix the problems I have had with their recent games" as to conclude that they will. We simply don't know, since they haven't even started on the game yet.
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But we do know that they won't fix the problems, because every single game since Oblivion has been progressively dumbed down for console casuals. If you really think about it, Fallout 4 is merely an extension of the dumbing down that was evident in Skyrim, which was dumbed down more than Oblivion, which isn't even the same league as Morrowind. So in actuality, we have the last several games as evidence that they are progressively making dumber and dumber games for the mass market audience because money.

These people seem to actively hate making RPGs. They say things like "not interested in discussing realism in a post apoc world with talking mutants." They are shoot-and-loot players trying to make immersive RPGs, and in all probability they think Fallout 4 is a deep immersive RPG experience and will continue churning out such games.

Obsidian blew them out of the water with New Vegas, which story/role-playing wise destroys Fallout 4. Even with that as a template, they put out Fallout 4. So even when given a great template to make a decent Fallout game, they threw all that out the window and actively dumbed down Fallout 4 to an unrecognizable mess. So in conclusion I would say that it is not in fact equally faulty to conclude they will not fix these problems.
 
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To say the next game will improve is nonsense, what have they improved on after making Morrowind? Yeah besides graphics which still look a few years older than most of the games released in the same year I can't find anything really improved upon besides the farms in Skyrim and people need to eat so they grow crops in Fallout 4.

Fallout 4 already confirmed what I had already suspected, they continue to dumb every one of their games down with every new release. To buy another after seeing this crap and saying "Well now they have to improve/will improve" is just silly.

I'm just done with this shit, I wouldn't even bother with getting the next dumbed down Fallout shame of the year edition even at $5, hell if it was gifted the game I'd still regret it as well as fell sorry for the person that wasted money on this shit.

TLDR; Bethesda keep gutting more features out of each game, save your money and buy a good game worth your time.
 
What's sad is that there will be Bethesda fans who are going to point out the removal of the dialogue wheel in favor of the standard list format in TES 6 as an indication of Bethesda listening to fans.

They could put effort into making better RPGs, but it's more as has been discussed that they're lazy about that than they're limited by their abilities, because what they're doing is obviously still making lots of money for them. There are of course people at Bethesda that still care about their craft, but empirically, they must have little control.
 
Irwin John Finster said:
And for some reason video game consumers are incredibly ignorant and keep buying this stuff up. I am sure it will take 2 or 3 more iterations of dumbing down The Elder Scrolls games before the majority of consumers finally realize the game is a boring, shallow, unimmersive mess that was pretending to be an RPG all along.
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But then those consumers will be replaced by a new younger audience that don't care and life goes on.
 
Unlike movies, this is arguably the first time there has been a large demographic of adults that play video games. The people that grew up with the dawn of video games in the late 1980s and 1990s are now in their 30s or 40s, and they are not being catered to with "mature," well-written games. Witcher series is an exception, and that's not to say adults can't enjoy all games, but Fallout 4 is most certainly tailored to much younger people and is incredibly stupid. And that is simply unacceptable given what the previous games were like. Can you imagine if Bethesda remade XCOM, KOTOR, or made a Witcher game?

Every time a great game comes out with some level of depth and maturity and intellectual or aesthetic value, it is immediately dumbed down to sh*t for a promptly released sequel to capitalize on the success of the original and to the dismay of the original fans.

People demanding more mature, intellectual games are 2nd class, relying on kickstarter and indie developers. AAA only cares for the lowest common denominator now, with only the occasional exception to the rule.

Fallout used to be more like Cormac McCarthy's The Road (book/film) mixed with S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and with some humor added to it, and now we have Fallout 4 which is more like Idiocracy.
 
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Buy Fallout 5? I don't really have an opinion. Say yes? What if it's even worse than Fallout 4? Say no? What if it's actually good? I'm always on the fence, it's safer and smarter that way.

I honestly believe that Bethesda developers enjoy the kind of game Fallout 4 is, and it just so happens by pure coincidence that it's the same kind of game that can be easily marketed. The publisher (Softworks) and develoepr (Game Studios) in this rare example seems to be well-acquainted with each other (Howard and Hines), so this is likely the case.

Hell, it could even be not by coincidence, but possibly because the devs at Bethesda are the same kind that buys into the AAA hype and enjoys simplified, streamlined action games, which would be hilarious irony if true.

Ragemage said:
If it isn't made by Obsidian, then my answer is Hell no. Considering how many copies FO4 sold, I don't think there's a snowflake's chance in a volcano that they'll return to the old formula. They'll turn it into a single player MMO even more most likely.
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Or, you know, an actual MMO.

Ragemage said:
In my opinion, I hope there's a parallel here. To me, Ubisoft Montreal (the guys who make the Far Cry games) do a much better job than regular Ubisoft when it comes to design, presentation, plot, story, etc. (or at least they did until they made that piece of shit Far Cry Primal) So I'm hoping that Bethesda Montreal will redeem old Bethesda, much like Ubisoft Montreal did Ubisoft.
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Far Cry Primal wasn't really a piece of shit (though I haven't played it so what do I know) from what I've heard, but really, just more of the same. They didn't fuck it up more but they didn't add anything to the formula either - the modern industry's pattern. Why innovate and risk losing profits when you can do the same thing again and cash in on it?

I wouldn't really expect Bethesda Montreal to "redeem" anything. I expect that the games will become better optimised and less clunky at a whole, but there will be no steps made towards New Vegas' path because it is simply inconsequential to their profits. We'll probably get Fallout 4 again, with a slightly different plot, a slightly different setting, better graphics and less crashes, and about the same level of consistency and depth.

MercenarySnake said:
No no no no no...NO. True RPG or GTFO.
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I know what you actually mean, but arguably, New Vegas was in no way a "true RPG" either, so in that case you would be waiting for a direct successor to Fallout 2, in which case you'll probably have to wait for all eternity.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
I honestly believe that Bethesda developers enjoy the kind of game Fallout 4 is, and it just so happens by pure coincidence that it's the same kind of game that can be easily marketed.
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If that is the case, which it sure seems to be, Bethesda's slogan should be "By casuals for casuals."
 
There is no confirmation that this source is valid, but I read a reddit post where the author said he had talked with a BGS employee, as he lived close to the Bethesda offices, and when he asked the employee what he'd want to change the most in F4, the employee responded with wanting to add a primary needs mechanic.

I suppose the employee chose that because it could be added without reworking the game, but it also would have been reasonable for him to have said something about adding more C&C to quests, the dearth of which was also a more severe issue than the absence of primary needs. Or maybe he didn't want to feel embarrassed talking about its failure as an RPG.
 
Irwin John Finster said:
If that is the case, which it sure seems to be, Bethesda's slogan should be "By casuals for casuals."
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I posted a link a while back, I forget where, it was of an hour long stream with Matt Grandstaff playing Fallout 4 and he shared all the same criticisms that most of us here have. He has sense and he is a part of Bethesda, Better to say "By Todd and Emil for no one." It is clear that BGS does not work as a team but as a dictatorship and the games will always be shit with that system if Hockey Howard and Boston Pagliarulo are at the helm.
 
Mr Fish said:
But then those consumers will be replaced by a new younger audience that don't care and life goes on.
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Is this accurate enough?
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Not a chance, and the same goes for Elder Scrolls VI. If they were so willing to strip down to the bone the RPG elements of a series like this, who knows what they'll do to the next Elder Scrolls.

Sergeant Politeness said:
Yes! It is going to be a near perfect and deep roleplaying game, just like Fallout 4! We might even be able to ride deathclaws! I'm soooo happy that this series evolved from a boring turn-based RPG with a lot of dialogues to the IMMERSIVE FPS it is today!

This is Bethesda we are talking about, how could you not expect a fantastic RPG? :smug:

We all know everyone who says no will buy it anyway.
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So far, I've not bought Fallout 4. My sole experience with it has been with a Redbox rental.
 
Fallout 4 is a well made trick. They get you playing for ages to see if everything is shit, and then tell you, you can't refund.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
No one on NMA has faith in any of the next generations at all, do they?
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They're young dumb and full of cum.
So no.
Once they grow up they'll be more bearable but then they'll just get replaced by the next crop of dumb-dumbs.
And so the cycle continues and life goes on.

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And don't get me wrong, we were all dumb fucks once upon a time who didn't put much critical thinking into games and just wanted something fun to play. All I'm saying is that for every adult who gets sick and tired of Bethesda's shit a casual kid will come along and go "this looks fun!".

That's simply how it is. Gaming wouldn't have gone the way it did if it weren't for people around my generation. Hell, I was probably part of it too. And can anyone blame me? I was a kid. I didn't put much thought into shit like this. I just wanted something fun to play.

So the kids of today? I simply think they aren't mature enough to put much thought into things but I don't have anything against them. I was once like that. But I have zero faith in them turning the tide of triple-a development in a good way.
 
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Mr Fish said:
They're young dumb and full of cum.
So no.
Once they grow up they'll be more bearable but then they'll just get replaced by the next crop of dumb-dumbs.
And so the cycle continues and life goes on.
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So, uh, how has the average intelligence of humanity increased over time if that's the case?
 
Mr Fish said:
Keyword being 'average', not kids.
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Well, of course there's going to be one big pile of 14 year-olds who will buy their generation's equivalent of Call of Duty repeatedly, but I doubt that the 20 year-olds of the 2020s is going to have the same average intelligence as the 20 year-olds of the 2000s.
 
I haven't heard of anyone actually protesting against such and such publisher's offices. I mentioned once before, internet criticism doesn't get far enough to truly be effective in changing behaviors. Gotta go full Arab Spring, which there is no commitment among consumers to, if you want to see corporate in charge of the practices we bemoan brought to their knees.
 
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