Pope Resigns, World Cares (Not)

Threepwood said:
DammitBoy said:
Tagaziel said:
- Stops blabbing about the "decline of European Culture." Honestly, it's just a weasel term for "you are not listening to me!"
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European Culture is an oxymoron.
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Take that stick out your ass Eastwood, your entire country's culture is a mixture of European cultures you ignorant gun waving hillbilly.
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though there is no real european culture if you think about it.
 
It's a somewhat dishonest statement. There is no universal pan-European culture common to all Europeans yet. What we do have is dozens of national cultures, composed of dozens of local cultures further subdivided into even more localized folklore. And interactions between. And changes. And assimilation. It's really complicated.

A single Europe-wide culture will have to incorporate them all and provide common ground. I think our common, interconnected history is a good starting point.

I do believe we will have one, eventually. The European Union is the best thing since sliced bread and once we can get our collective heads our of our collective asses it's going to get even better.

I don't think it'll be the death of local cultures either. While the United States and Russia are tightly knit federations with a common national identity, the individual states that make them up have their own distinct cultures.

So, in short: EUROPE FUCK YEAH.
 
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pic taken a few hours after resignation :shock:
 
Tagaziel said:
It's a somewhat dishonest statement. There is no universal pan-European culture common to all Europeans yet. What we do have is dozens of national cultures, composed of dozens of local cultures further subdivided into even more localized folklore. And interactions between. And changes. And assimilation. It's really complicated.

A single Europe-wide culture will have to incorporate them all and provide common ground. I think our common, interconnected history is a good starting point.

I do believe we will have one, eventually. The European Union is the best thing since sliced bread and once we can get our collective heads our of our collective asses it's going to get even better.

I don't think it'll be the death of local cultures either. While the United States and Russia are tightly knit federations with a common national identity, the individual states that make them up have their own distinct cultures.

So, in short: EUROPE FUCK YEAH.
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Depends. I am not that positive. Albeit I think the European idea is one of the best things which happened in history. Well except maybe for the cold war ending without an actuall world war with nuclear weapons.

But there are a lot of issues inside of the European constitutions. And the fact that so few people actually talk about the European parliament or even "care" about it (even less then for their own governments ...) shows that there are quite some serious issues in a few places.

I am not one of those people which believe Europe has to go. But I am not so positive about all the evolutions.
 
Tagaziel said:
I think our common, interconnected history is a good starting point.
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This is funny because our historical interactions with one and other revolve around war and trade. Neither have a future inside the modern eu union.
 
donperkan said:
pic taken a few hours after resignation :shock:
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I've read interview with locals. According to them, storms and lightnings strokes are pretty common around the st. Peter's Basilica and the main building was stroked like this many times before. So, for me it's a clear sign that pope should have resigned much earlier. :mrgreen:
 
donperkan said:
Tagaziel said:
I think our common, interconnected history is a good starting point.
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This is funny because our historical interactions with one and other revolve around war and trade. Neither have a future inside the modern eu union.
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We are Humans.

War has always a future.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Depends. I am not that positive. Albeit I think the European idea is one of the best things which happened in history. Well except maybe for the cold war ending without an actuall world war with nuclear weapons.

But there are a lot of issues inside of the European constitutions. And the fact that so few people actually talk about the European parliament or even "care" about it (even less then for their own governments ...) shows that there are quite some serious issues in a few places.

I am not one of those people which believe Europe has to go. But I am not so positive about all the evolutions.
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It's an iterative process. Nothing is perfect instantly. Hell, the EU of 2013 is much different than the EC of 2003.

donperkan said:
This is funny because our historical interactions with one and other revolve around war and trade. Neither have a future inside the modern eu union.
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I'm not sure I follow. If the EF comes into being, it won't automatically erase borders and countries. They'll still be there and so will be internal trade.
 
Jeah but that internal trade will decline as the individual members get wealthier. sure some trade will go on but the focus will shift on exporting outside the union.

We share no common ground, we don't hate each other (yet) but we are not really crazy about each other either.
 
thats what I mean, there is still quite a lot of rivaly. I don't see France giving up being French yet or Germans being German. There is not yet enough common ground in Europe. As much as I love the European Idea. But lets be honest. It worked only because of the Soviets and Americans. War and economy pushed it rough, not the love for peace. I dare to say without the Soviets and constant treat of Nuclear War Europe would not even really exist in such a form today, it would have been probably always more about the economy. But with the Soviets there was also a need to have more relationships on political and military level.

I think the future will reveal quit a lot of issues for Europe. The issues with Greece are just the tip of the Iceberg. Spain, italy, and a few more are not in a much better shape either.

You have the wealthy and rich nations like France, Germany, Britain etc. (even though they have as well their own financial problems but not even close to what you see in Spain!).

how much is the idea of Europe standing if people and governments don't see a gain in it anymore? This is the time when it will be a real test to the European idea. I am the guy who is believing that we have more to gain then to lose. But try explaining that the poor guy in Spain who lost his apartment or the Greece worker whos getting no pension.
 
hopefully this will be a step closer to the dissolution of the catholic church in general, this world needs less religious nut-bars.
 
Like a NDE person once said: "Its easy to be an atheist when youre young and/or successful, but its very hard to be an atheist when youre laying on your deathbed".

Conscious Pope with a conscience. First one in 600 years it appears.
 
Arcanix said:
Like a NDE person once said: "Its easy to be an atheist when youre young and/or successful, but its very hard to be an atheist when youre laying on your deathbed".
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If you havent heard about this guy, well now's your chance.
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He has a point that its very unlikely that someone will change their minds on a whim. What he fails to understand is that faith in the word is an epiphany type of experience. Those strangers only offers last advices in order to start such a process.

The NDE and the Void

http://near-death.com/experiences/research15.html


Its whats going on post-mortem thats important. Since everyone has been given a free will, what Christopher Hitchens is doing is ok.
 
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