Pope Resigns, World Cares (Not)

[Muff]

Isn't this the first non European pope?

Nah, there have been Popes from like...Syria and stuff.

Oh look, another old white man became Pope. Exciting. I wonder if he's conservative about stuff? He is. Well, I am amazed.

Yea I did a little (a single Google search) looking round and your right, he is the first one for nearly 1000 years that wasn't from Europe.

Look's like they have another old guard in power within the church and another with a questionable past, are they just blind or stupid? While I am not religious in any way I however have friends who are and some at catholic and they are getting quite puzzled with the church.

 

[Tagaziel]

Nah, there have been Popes from like...Syria and stuff.

Not to mention Peter the Jew.

 

[Sander]

So much for 'modernizing' the church, like they were saying they wanted to do.

They've been saying that since the '50s.

 

[Ilosar]

Great, another old fart for the stomach battalion.

Seriously, is any cardinal something else than a conservative old man, anyway? So long as those remain in charge, good luck having the church budge on anything.

 

[Walpknut]

Maybe when they say "Modernize" they just mean changing the pipelines, getting better wi fi, renovating the decorations, etc.

 

[Tagaziel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis

Wikipedia shitstorms always generate good content. Looks like the new pope is just a repackaging of the good ol' Vatican ultraconservatism.

On the positive side, he speaks out against sexual abuse of women and minors, while promoting social equality.

Incline? Or not?

 

[WorstUsernameEver]

I'm wondering why you people expect the Catholic Church to suddenly stop being the Catholic Church and embrace gay rights, minority issues or, who knows, even liberation theology? The max I'd expect in the next 50 years is them condoning condom usage. You might even say... CONDMOMING. EH. EH. EH.

But seriously, given I'm not a Catholic, not my problem.

 

[Tagaziel]

Maybe because we are tired of seeing the same old bullshit being repeated ad nauseam. This wouldn't be terrible, if the Church didn't try to force its particular brand of religion and morality on everyone.

Your mileage may vary, but after living in Poland, I have an exceedingly low tolerance for this.

 

[Muff]

Maybe because we are tired of seeing the same old bullshit being repeated ad nauseam. This wouldn't be terrible, if the Church didn't try to force its particular brand of religion and morality on everyone.

Your mileage may vary, but after living in Poland, I have an exceedingly low tolerance for this.

This they are one of the main reasons why some people in this world suffer, no access to condoms, persecution of homosexuals, down right lies in Africa when it comes to aids, the flagrant cover ups of child sex abuse even to the point saying it's a internal matter and can not be discussed outside of church etc.

There are a lot of reasons why there mortality (or lack of) effects more than just the people who are in the church.

 

[Crni Vuk]

the church has an huge image problem, and not only because of the Pedophilies.

 

[WorstUsernameEver]

Maybe because we are tired of seeing the same old bullshit being repeated ad nauseam. This wouldn't be terrible, if the Church didn't try to force its particular brand of religion and morality on everyone.

The problem of the Church's influence is entirely separated from their own teachings, IMO. The way I see it, while it'd be easier for me to tolerate them if they pushed for legislation that fits with my values (avoid discrimination based on race, gender, sexual orientation? y'know that kind of stuff) it'd still be inappropriate.

Just to be clear: I'm adamantly against the Church's position on pretty much every single "non-negotiable" issue (which incidentally often turns out to have been negotiable, given that they used to hold different positions). That said, the Church's free to choose whatever path they want, especially given that faith defies logic.

Also, be glad they at least didn't elect Scola!

 

[UniversalWolf]

I'm wondering why you people expect the Catholic Church to suddenly stop being the Catholic Church and embrace gay rights, minority issues or, who knows, even liberation theology?

I think you have a point here. It's irrational to expect Roman Catholicism to embrace those sorts of positions, because doing that would contradict the fundamental reason for the religion's existence. You can't modify your stance that radically and still claim to have some grasp of universal, immutable truth. From a theological and societal perspective, the precise purpose of the Catholic Church is to not change. Like it or not.

It could be worse. At least the new pope's not a Borgia.

 

[Muff]

Maybe because we are tired of seeing the same old bullshit being repeated ad nauseam. This wouldn't be terrible, if the Church didn't try to force its particular brand of religion and morality on everyone.

The problem of the Church's influence is entirely separated from their own teachings, IMO. The way I see it, while it'd be easier for me to tolerate them if they pushed for legislation that fits with my values (avoid discrimination based on race, gender, sexual orientation? y'know that kind of stuff) it'd still be inappropriate.

Just to be clear: I'm adamantly against the Church's position on pretty much every single "non-negotiable" issue (which incidentally often turns out to have been negotiable, given that they used to hold different positions). That said, the Church's free to choose whatever path they want, especially given that faith defies logic.

Also, be glad they at least didn't elect Scola!

Yes they are free to believe anything they want, however they assert political power by proxy. and to reinforce the point they go on national TV and say the same. As I posted before I have a number of friends who are Catholic who are very much in change of reform (abortion, Gay marriage, etc) and they are finding they do not see the same as the faith some of them have been brought up with.

I quote from a friend of mine Jessica "What I can't understand if Jesus is love why can't he accept a man or a woman loving another man or woman, if he is love what is so abhorrent to the pope and god?" and that kind of thing is the tip of the ice berg from her she is gradualy coming round to being a atheist ironically from bible study and church lore lessons.

 

[Arcanix]

I'm wondering why you people expect the Catholic Church to suddenly stop being the Catholic Church and embrace gay rights, minority issues or, who knows, even liberation theology?

Frequent sexual abuse within the church is reason enough to embrace gay rights and minority issues. I wouldnt want to call this liberation theology though.

 

[Walpknut]

Wait, so their own corruption is reason for them to stop being corrupt and embrace different values?