Dragula said:
Or like sex with rubber !
Question to all vegetarians/vegans out there...
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Or like sex with rubber !
Cimmerian Nights
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I have a vegetarian in my family who brought up this same point once.
I'll ask her again, but her rationale was "I don't eat meat, I don't like to eat meat, so what reason would I have to want to pretend I'm eating meat?"
I think in her mind it was a masquerade.
I don't see any Muslims or Jews lining up for turkey bacon...
I drink to get fucked up, not for the taste.
Are you saying vegans would go ga-ga for meatless veal?
Would these same people be OK eating animals that died naturally instead of being slaughtered?
I'll ask her again, but her rationale was "I don't eat meat, I don't like to eat meat, so what reason would I have to want to pretend I'm eating meat?"
I think in her mind it was a masquerade.
I don't see any Muslims or Jews lining up for turkey bacon...
Here's the flaw in your argument.
I drink to get fucked up, not for the taste.
Are you saying vegans would go ga-ga for meatless veal?
Would these same people be OK eating animals that died naturally instead of being slaughtered?
Cimmerian Nights said:
Once again, in both these cases the subjectivity of taste comes into play, and the decision is not entirely made after ethical deliberation. If you just find flesh disgusting, don't say you don't eat meat for ethical reasons.
If you don't like meat, then of course there's no reason to eat things that taste like it.
Quorn doesn't really taste like meat anyway, and saying it looks like meat is also a stretch. It's probably supposed to. The point is that people who eat quorn likely aren't "pretending they're eating meat". They're replacing it with another source of protein that's easy to cook, store and spice. It's probably more about what people are used to cooking and convenience.
Cimmerian Nights said:
Some of the ones who are vegetarians for ethical reasons probably would. I even know some who will eat meat from wild animals killed by a hunter (que the "then you're not a vegetarian" parrot).
I drink beer for the taste at least. Well the one I live with say she would be more ok with eating an animal that have been hunted in the wild.Cimmerian Nights said:
Dragula said:
Agreed. My biggest problem with meat is the industry itself, not so much the fact that it's dead animal. This is why I try to eat vegetarian if I can.
And by hunted I'd prefer it to be hunted with a challenge, not by a fat bald middle aged sociopath in a tower with a sniper rifle. But sadly, that's wishing for too much.
Well not eating meat for environment issues is kind of pointless in my opinion. I mean growing plants takes up a whole lot of space. Just take into consideration, grain fields or any other plantation, and also remember the huge area which could have been home of a number of wild plant and animal species that lived there before the agricultural use of the land. If we would all be vegetarians, also applying the necessary crop rotation, it actually would be more damaging for the environment (don't even get me started on the chemical fertilizers used when cultivating large areas). I know that husbandry also takes up a lot of land, and can be dangerous for a number of indigenous species ( take the example of the american buffalo), but it doesn't necessary mean the total conversion of land, as pastures are semi wild parcels which are more or less in the care of mother nature. Also i modern methods that are so vehemently contested which produce a lot of questionable meat, are in a very ironical way kind of Eco friendly. These imply a large number of animals kept constantly on few square meters (thus keeping the ecological impact of extensive grazing low), fed with nutrient paste made of the inedible parts of other animals (chicken, lamb etc ) this also easing of some of the pressure of the grazing fields. I do agree however that the meat obtained this way has a very questionable nutritional value and in the long run can cause serious health issues. Do you see the irony of eco friendly vegetarianism?.
Also another thing that vegetarians can argue against as much as they want, the human body is built for a mixed diet. There are some proteins and vitamins that simply can't be obtained efficiently (unless you are grazing all day long,) from other food then meat (there is a reason for which humans evolved from omnivores and not herbivores). Anything that is supposed to replace meat also contains a lot of questionable chemicals that in the long run kill you. Just ask any vegan or vegetarians to do some medical test; you’ll see that they will have a huge lack of vitamins, like iron for example, unless they take a fist full of pills every morning, which also destroy your liver. Oh and please don't come up with examples that some Indians are vegetarians (go check their mortality rates, and also they do eat a lot of lamb) or that Buddhist monks also live a vegetarian life style and how they are an example to follow.....I mean yeah as long as you meditate all day long.......
Also another thing that vegetarians can argue against as much as they want, the human body is built for a mixed diet. There are some proteins and vitamins that simply can't be obtained efficiently (unless you are grazing all day long,) from other food then meat (there is a reason for which humans evolved from omnivores and not herbivores). Anything that is supposed to replace meat also contains a lot of questionable chemicals that in the long run kill you. Just ask any vegan or vegetarians to do some medical test; you’ll see that they will have a huge lack of vitamins, like iron for example, unless they take a fist full of pills every morning, which also destroy your liver. Oh and please don't come up with examples that some Indians are vegetarians (go check their mortality rates, and also they do eat a lot of lamb) or that Buddhist monks also live a vegetarian life style and how they are an example to follow.....I mean yeah as long as you meditate all day long.......
Ha ha ha. Where the hell do you get your information from?
Chemicals that will kill you? Which chemicals would those be precisely? Iron is a vitamin? Iron is furthermore quite plentiful in beans etc. Proteins do what now?
Chemicals that will kill you? Which chemicals would those be precisely? Iron is a vitamin? Iron is furthermore quite plentiful in beans etc. Proteins do what now?
No, but soy industries does not cause animal suffering. Plants can't feel pain, you know.
He wasn't talking about the feelings of soy, just the industry's impact on the environment. Look at all the soy and corn based products out there, that definitely has a significant impact on the environment. Farms take up acres and acres of land, and many of them pollute. I say invest in agricultural towers, you know, vertical farms. Not sure the environmental impact of those, but at least it won't be taking up as much land.
That's a very restricted type of ecologic awareness. Animals suffer as well from destroying their natural habitats with soy farms and soy factories. Any kind of mindless industrialization that doesn't take long term consequences into account causes suffering and destruction. It's just that if cuddly animals aren't directly involved, it's ok for some people who like to pretend they're not causing any harm by eating genetically engineered beans. I'm off to devour my bloody steak.
Not to mention animals that wander on to the farms during harvest are often maimed or killed by the harvesters.
SimpleMinded
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Judici said:
This. Farm animals (cows especially) are terrible on the environment and so a big part of it can be hte environmental impact. That and the way the animals are treated on farms.
It has nothing to do with despising the taste of meat, not sure where the OP got this idea from.
This question came from a conversation I heard between two vegans and some non-vegans one day. They were talking about food, like vegan food, and how meat is disgusting and then one of them pulls up a recipe on the computer for vegan fake Italian sausage, saying that it tastes like regular sausage but it contains no meat. And this just perplexed me, they just said they find meat disgusting, yet they will eat this fake meat that apparently tastes like normal meat. It just struck me as odd. I should have asked these people right then and there, but didn't.
Dead Guy said:
Well one one thing you are correct iron is not a vitamin its a mineral....my bad, but no matter how much beans (spinach), soy) you eat you just can't get enough iron out of it. My wife was a vegetarian for 4 years .....she is still recovering from different mineral deficiencies so i know on first hand what vegetarianism does to people.
And come on what chemicals am I talking about, al those E's (yeah I know that not all of them are harmful and they are harmfull only in large quantities etc.) and flavor enhancers and whatnot that modern food industry uses.
Look if it looks like meat and tastes like meat but it is not meat that means it is made using a shitload of things that are not exactly natural.....and in the long run it will cause some kind of thingy (cancer) that does kill you
First of all, 90 % of the soy produced is used as fodder for the animals that we butcher and eat. Only 10 % of the grown soy is used for food.
Do you guys never read up on anything?
Do you guys never read up on anything?
SimpleMinded
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verevoof said:
I think you're suffering from the problem of using the few to represent the whole.
If that's their entire reason for being vegan, then yes... they are in fact idiots. But they might have simply misspoken, or actually been idiots. However, that isn't really why most people are vegan.