Ratio of raiders to settlers

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by SarcasticGoodGuy, Sep 10, 2016.

  1. Zyax

    Zyax Salt Powered Robot

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    Mar 14, 2016
    I mean I'm seen that way, but I don't actually consider myself a fanboy, I do like the game for what it is, but like all games it has flaws. This is one of its many issues.

    Edit: also, I dislike the rabid defenders and fanboys as much as the next guy. I still get shouted at because F3 or F4 are not, and never have been, my favorite Fallout games.
     
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  2. Jubal Quintus

    Jubal Quintus Nacho Friend

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    Mar 2, 2007
    I just want to take a second to mention how sad it is that Goodneighbor has been repeatedly name-checked as a 'large settlement' in Fallout 4. That place was tiny and fairly worthless.
     
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  3. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    I find it interesting how Bethesda has a done a much better job of this in Morrowind, Oblivion and even Skyrim (yes there's a lot of bandits, but the cities are well guarded and usually fortified).
     
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  4. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    How could it possily have been a fun game if there wasn't things to shoot every 5 feet? It's called game design, people.
     
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  5. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

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    Jan 28, 2013
    Another exception is that ghoul under the Followers of the Apocalypse base. He claims that he was one of the Vault 13 Dwellers sent before the Vault Dweller and was dipped in FEV but was rescued later by the Followers. It's stated that he looks different than conventional ghouls iirc, but it's been a while.
     
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  6. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I don't take numbers literal. Diamond City probably has thousands of residents but the game engine doesn't show it.
     
  7. SarcasticGoodGuy

    SarcasticGoodGuy *R O T T E N*

    Aug 31, 2016
    Petey who let you out of your cage?
     
  8. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I get the impression positive posters aren't common here. :)
     
  9. SarcasticGoodGuy

    SarcasticGoodGuy *R O T T E N*

    Aug 31, 2016
    Don't worry Petey, you'll fit right in. ;)
     
  10. cratchety ol joe

    cratchety ol joe Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Sep 2, 2008
    Living where?

    The stands are void of housing, and the existing buildings could barely house a couple of hundred if everyone were to sleep standing up.

    At most the grounds of the stadium (as it is visually presented) might house about 100 in total, and there are certainly no 'clues' as to a bustling hive of humanity.
     
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  11. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    The lore of the setting explicitly says the stands contain the "upper crust" of Diamond City so that's a contradiction of game engine to what's actually supposed to be.
     
  12. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

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    Jun 14, 2016
    Woah. Slow down there, cowboy. How exactly are thousands of people feed, watered and housed in Diamond City? I'd believe hundreds (maybe) but thousands is absurd.
     
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  13. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I suppose it depends on how we perceive the issue. Fenway Park can seat 38,000 and the question of how much is devoted to food, housing size, and how much can be built upward is an interesting one. Given Diamond City is right next to Bunker Hill, it's very possible they import the vast majority of their food from the surrounding Commonwealth. This is also questioning how many people live in the tunnels and surrounding concession area.
     
  14. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

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    Jun 14, 2016
    How we perceive the issue is irrelevant. This is not a matter of relativity. Does the game make it clear how Diamond City supports thousands of inhabitants? Is the population of Diamond City ever stated, or did you merely extract that figure from the depths of your anal cavity? Do you have any idea what a logistical nightmare it would be to reliably feed, water and house that amount of people right now in the modern world, let alone in a post-apocalyptic hellscape where there is another and and another and ANOTHER camp of mutants, raiders or whatever-the-fuck-else on every second city block?

    Like I said, hundreds and that's at a stretch.
     
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  15. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    The question of it being referred to as a city, the Jewel of the Commonwealth, capable of housing the entirety of Goodneighbors population in addition to its current population, and the fact the Sole Survivor refers to it as a shanty town. It is supposed to be the single largest populated settlement in the Commonwealth (above ground at least) and a center of trade among all of the villages in said Commonwealth. This is also a sustainable population which hasn't resorted to inbreeding over 200 years.

    If its hundreds then would any of this apply?

    I'm not trying to pull things from my ass but it seems like thousands would be reasonable given its role in the game.

    Honestly, it wouldn't be a problem when the Minutemen were still around and commerce seems to proceed reliably in the Commonwealth even with the presence of said factors.

    Things are dysfunctional NOW but perhaps not always.
     
  16. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

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    Jun 14, 2016
    Yes. Thousands would make more sense from a worldbuilding perspective but that would require actual worldbuilding and this is something that can be hard work. Working hard is something that the Bethesda writing staff seem to be taking a moral stance against.
     
  17. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    True, I suppose we have no idea how many people are actually in these settlements as it's just an extrapolation for our imagination.

    The Republic of Dave is actually just the number of people on screen.

    Diamond City is presumably not 50 NPCs, most of which are Cops.
     
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  18. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

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    Jun 14, 2016
    Yes, scaling things down is just the price of admission in a lot of video games. But, that said, if we are going to extrapolate the population of Diamond City, you need to set your sights on a figure that is plausible. Even if you were going to build it as a 1:1 scale replica of Fenway Park, you aren't going to sustain a population of thousands of people.

    And that's not even to mention the question of WHY diamond city exists at all. What would thousands of people do all day in Diamond City? There aren't any industries, they aren't producing anything. So, what is their economy based on? If they trade with other agrarian communities, what could they possibly have to offer in exchange for food?

    None of any of it makes any sense.
     
  19. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    Actually, my confusion isn't why Diamond City exists but why Bunker Hill does. Diamond City is a fortified town in the middle of Boston which allows the scavengers (which is a vital profession in this setting) to loot Boston of valuables which can then be sold and sent to the rest of the Commonwealth. It's also centrally located so you can have all the various Commonwealth settlements bring their goods there to sell to one another. However, for some reason, they do it at Bunker hill instead.

    Diamond City is safe from Super Mutants, raiders, and so on but if they do exist then trade becomes difficult without the Minutemen.
     
  20. SarcasticGoodGuy

    SarcasticGoodGuy *R O T T E N*

    Aug 31, 2016
    Aren't you meant to be defending Toddie's game? Petey they're going to cut your salary if you carry on like this.

    But seriously, you come on this forum like a troll and the next minute you're like "well this shit makes no sense!" make up your mind.