Repairing Fallout's story from Bethesda

CT Phipps said:
Au contraire, that is because they can't renew the chemicals since you can take care of that problem in New Vegas by having the local drug dealers supply them at the Atomic Wrangler. I liked those two and wanted to give them the Gomorrah after I murdered every single one of those Omerta assholes.

So it's more their supply and demand issues, probably made worse by the fact they're anarchists who piss NCR off wiith their politics.
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Honestly CT Phipps I'd love to see you review the other 2 3d Fallout games, maybe do a comparison with Fallout 4. We don't get many people on NMA that defend the game in an intelligent way like you do.

^again have to emphasize this isn't sarcasm, I'd genuinely like to see what a Fallout 4 fan has to say about the cons of 3 and NV
 
Dr Fallout said:
Ummm I don't know how to break it to you but... but Omerta only supplies them alcohol for... Fixer I think or something of that sort not stimpacks.
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I believe the Followers fix the Garrets stills in exchange for a steady supply of chems.

My theory on Boston is that there's a lot of Protectron Medics and plenty of local hospitals and clinics to loot as well as military supplies. There were also a couple of thriving settlements which the Institute wiped out near academic institutions. As such, combined with the fact the Commonwealth isn't as mindlessly hostile as the CW and stimpacks are a resource the locals can make plenty of.

They don't have food, water, shelter, and medicine problems the same way they do in the CW. It's just they have problems with the fact its an anarchy.
 
Dr Fallout said:
They could have just called it Morphine... ohh... wow. Worries that it's a drug and all.
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Selective, hypocritical censorship. You can't kill children and fighting the consenquences of your actions, can't have real drugs, smoke cigs, can't select groin in VATS but you can play as slaver, eat corpses and trade human meat with cannibals, kill everyone mature and unimportant for you in the main quest into bloody pieces and corpses impaled are all over the wasteland but... Yeah.
 
0wing said:
Selective, hypocritical censorship. You can't kill children and fighting the consenquences of your actions, can't have real drugs, smoke cigs, can't select groin in VATS but you can play as slaver, eat corpses and trade human meat with cannibals, kill everyone into bloody pieces and corpses impaled are all over the wasteland but... Yeah.
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That's really, really, really dumb. Well that's the gaming industry nowadays!
 
Dr Fallout said:
Nope, it's Alcohol and even if it was Chems it's definitely NOT Stimpacks. They would only have recreational drugs because they're a business.
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Well, 3:07 they're trading for supplies not alcohol. The alcohol is a bonus to the supplies and Med-X.

So, not stimpacks but morphine makes sense as something the Garrets would have access to.

 
0wing said:
Selective, hypocritical censorship. You can't kill children and fighting the consenquences of your actions, can't have real drugs, smoke cigs, can't select groin in VATS but you can play as slaver, eat corpses and trade human meat with cannibals, kill everyone into bloody pieces and corpses impaled are all over the wasteland but... Yeah.
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Even the Fable games let you shoot people's dicks. Fucking Fable
NV had the guts to deal with issues like rape and it wasn't torn apart by the feminists.

@CT Phipps no they're giving away alcohol because it can be used as a disinfectant.
 
CT Phipps said:
Its clarified to be Med-X later in the video.

3:45
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Still not Stimpacks which frankly are the drugs that matter. Med-X is a painkiller, not a healer. So while it's true, they do have some supplies they can't give you the most important healing drug which is running out. And hey, remember how we were discussing that because Stimpacks are rare and are running out why are there so many in the East Coast?
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
Even the Fable games let you shoot people's dicks. Fucking Fable
NV had the guts to deal with issues like rape and it wasn't torn apart by the feminists.
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Even Deus Ex: Invisible War had children (BTW, only sailor moon cosplayer-girls) that are not flagged essential. And guess what? You don't have to do it at all nor you'd wish to do so. Every game that lets you do such dark thing also had good enough writing to give you no reason to do it. And everyone is OK with it. Go figure.
 
0wing said:
Even Deus Ex: Invisible War had children (BTW, only sailor moon cosplayer-girls) that are not flagged essential. And guess what? You don't have to do it at all nor you'd wish to do so. Every game that lets you do such dark thing also had good enough writing to give you no reason to do it. And everyone is OK with it. Go figure.
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Remember Fallout 2 where killing kids and entire settlements makes you hated? Consequences...
 
Dr Fallout said:
Remember Fallout 2 where killing kids and entire settlements makes you hated? Consequences...
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Yes. But the kids in 2d Fallout are just part of the scenery aside from kids in The Den in F2 and the slag children cave (two of the few well done things in Fallout 2), so in this aspect Fallout is rather underdeveloped. Deus Ex, Invisible War (no matter how shitty it is) and Baldur's Gate explored grey moral towards children better.
 
0wing said:
Yes. But the kids in 2d Fallout are just part of the scenery aside from kids in The Den in F2 (one of the few well done things in Fallout 2), so in this aspect Fallout is rather underdeveloped. Deus Ex, Invisible War (no matter how shitty it is) and Baldur's Gate explored grey moral towards children better.
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True but I mean what else would they do?

Give you quests (some do, remember Vault City and Nixon)?
 
Dr Fallout said:
True but I mean what else would they do?
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Post-Apocalyptic ethics, remember?

I'm not talking about player's trolling in Ultima 4 (though the monster in disguise as children is pretty neat moral moment) and bullshit killing like in every other Ultima so on. But rather about things like "The Fishermen and the Priestess" quest from BG1. Or in tarsus academy in cairo in DX:IW
where if you play as templar mercenary, you can pretty much kill the students to hide director's agenda. Or wipe the entire school.
 
0wing said:
Post-Apocalyptic ethics, remember?

I'm not talking about player's trolling in Ultima 4 (though the monster in disguise as children is pretty neat moral moment) and bullshit killing like in every other Ultima so on. But rather about things like "The Fishermen and the Priestess" quest from BG1. Or in tarsus academy in cairo in DX:IW
where if you play as templar mercenary, you can pretty much kill the students to hide director's agenda. Or wipe the entire school.
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Yeah that would be cool, but in terms of just being there it works.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Yeah that would be cool, but in terms of just being there it works.
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BIS showed that they can do it, they can elaborate, they try but then just stopped at petty evil choice in Nixon's doll quest. And if children are just wooden dolls with neat splatter effect, why would you kill them, to watch heap of gore technology™ and roleplay™ a maniac inside your head? No, that's lost opportunity.
 
0wing said:
BIS showed that they can do it, they can elaborate, they try but then just stopped at petty evil choice in Nixon's doll quest. And if children are just wooden dolls with neat splatter effect, why would you kill them, to watch heap of gore technology™ and roleplay™ a maniac inside your head?
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I mean how more evil can you be without just killing the kid?
 
Dr Fallout said:
I mean how more evil can you be without just killing the kid?
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"Just"? Edgy teenager evil you mean? That'll make you a threat to society of a Deathclaw level, an hellbender animal but nothing more.
Why, do it for purpose like mentioned above (or showed in F2) or failing at saving child's life being a bullshit doctor for example (Fallout: Nevada).
 
0wing said:
"Just"? Edgy teenager evil you mean? That'll make you a threat to society of a Deathclaw level, an hellbender animal but nothing more.
Why, do it for purpose like mentioned above (or showed in F2) or failing at saving child's life being a bullshit doctor for example (Fallout: Nevada).
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I meant that for the Nixon quest there's not much more evil you can do.
 
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