Repairing Fallout's story from Bethesda

You see, I have this problem. It's an illness really. I can't get myself bent out of shape over a video game where you shoot giant radioactive ants and America is a perpetually 1950s Fascist State.

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You suck at everything you do. You're not funny, your not clever, your boring.
 
Not a compliment. Fuck off. Why do you insist on ruining everything you touch. Is your home-life that unsatisfying?

It's bizarre, it's almost like I enjoy the game and don't sweat the details. :)

But no, seriously, history has diverged for almost a century by the point of the Great War, we can't draw from real life military strategy or its equivalent to know how and what the Chinese situation is.

I will say, though, a ground war is the best situation for China versus a nuclear one.
 
It's bizarre, it's almost like I enjoy the game and don't sweat the details. :)
All 100 hours, so casual. Do you play it with your kids or just watch them play it, after they finish with Minecraft? You know what's better than your writing? Everything. Literally everything. There are videos on the internet of people killing your in-game persona. That's how much you're liked. If you don't sweat the details why try and sway people to think your vomit writing is good? Your pathetic.
 
All 100 hours, so casual. Do you play it with your kids or just watch them play it, after they finish with Minecraft? You know what's better than your writing? Everything. Literally everything. There are videos on the internet of people killing your in-game persona. That's how much you're liked.

Yes, I did not play Fallout 4 that much because it was only okay. Are you saying you've played much more of Fallout 4 even though you hate it? Just so we're clear?
 
Yes. Yes I did, In a sick fucked up way. You see I am a modder and I like to know how things work with Bethesda. They used to make good games many years ago. I can't compare iterations without full knowings. I can't boast my own skill knowing little of your failures. I need to know them all and see them all. Think of it as the play testing you never did in your shit on the floor you call Fallout 4. I play test. I break. I decode and I learn.
 
Yes. Yes I did, In a sick fucked up way. You see I am a modder and I like to know how things work with Bethesda. They used to make good games many years ago. I can't compare iterations without full knowings. I can't boast my own skill knowing little of your failures. I need to know them all and see them all. Think of it as the play testing you never did in your shit on the floor you call Fallout 4. I play test. I break. I decode and I learn.

Good for you!
 
We know submarines and other vessels proceeded around to the East Coast, which they proceeded to launch missiles from and also operatives.
1. That's more stupidity as submarines from China would have to go around Canada (arctic waters and the fact that's almost impossible) or through the Panama Canal (controlled by the US) which means that the short way there is out of the question. The only other possibility is to go through the Indian and Atlantic Ocean, somehow without fueling stations and food stops.
2. You still haven't explained, and handwaved it away by mentioning submarines and off hand, 'other vessels' when there's no evidence of anything like a troop carrier.
 
Good for you!
Go fuck yourself. Get a new job... Oh wait, Did you get demoted? Is that why you're here? You're shit game made you lose your position and now your here trying to make yourself feel better. Again. Fuck off. Get some friends. Do something with your time other than trying to convince the few people left in the world that share their disappointment of your shit writing that it ain't that bad. Why not just use your old account? Too afraid people would pick on you directly?
 
1. That's more stupidity as submarines from China would have to go around Canada (arctic waters and the fact that's almost impossible) or through the Panama Canal (controlled by the US) which means that the short way there is out of the question. The only other possibility is to go through the Indian and Atlantic Ocean, somehow without fueling stations and food stops.
2. You still haven't explained, and handwaved it away by mentioning submarines and off hand, 'other vessels' when there's no evidence of anything like a troop carrier.

1. Given the prevalence and superiority of nuclear technology in Fallout, I think its questionable whether just about anything needs to be refueled in this setting. Power Armor is effectively a walking simulator that works continuously for 200 years without needing to have its Fusion Cores replaced.

2. We have secondary evidence in terms of, you know, the massive amount of Chinese weapons and uniforms in Washington D.C. as well as Chinese survivors from said invasion. The primary evidence of Chinese Naval vessels would be further out to see, obviously.

3. The global situation at the time is that all but the Chinese government and United States have fallen into some ill-defined "chaos" which means that China could probably use the Panama Canal or get around the Atlantic Ocean without interference.
 
1. Given the prevalence and superiority of nuclear technology in Fallout, I think its questionable whether just about anything needs to be refueled in this setting. Power Armor is effectively a walking simulator that works continuously for 200 years without needing to have its Fusion Cores replaced.

2. We have secondary evidence in terms of, you know, the massive amount of Chinese weapons and uniforms in Washington D.C. as well as Chinese survivors from said invasion. The primary evidence of Chinese Naval vessels would be further out to see, obviously.
1. FOOOOOOOOOD. WAAAAAAAAATTTTTTEEEERRRR. SAAAAAAANNNNNIIITTTTATTTTION. REEEEEPPPPPPAAAAAIIIIIRSSSS. Nup, it's just fuel.
2. :drunk: I'm going off to have a couple of shots of Vodka and then kill myself.
I'm asking you to explain the logic of HOW Chinese soldiers go to the East Coast by ship (which you've failed to do) and were able to create an invasion force. Your response is basically proving that there were ships. I'm not going to contest that, instead I'm contesting the realism of that even happening.
 
1. FOOOOOOOOOD. WAAAAAAAAATTTTTTEEEERRRR. SAAAAAAANNNNNIIITTTTATTTTION. REEEEEPPPPPPAAAAAIIIIIRSSSS. Nup, it's just fuel.

I'm not sure you're actually aware of the capabilities of the vessels in the setting.

https://www.wired.com/2011/05/0510uss-triton-underwater-circumnavigation/

There is literally no need for a submarine to refuel in a global circumnavigation of the world with conventional RL technology, let alone Fallout technology. This also includes food, sanitation, and water.

2. :drunk: I'm going off to have a couple of shots of Vodka and then kill myself.
I'm asking you to explain the logic of HOW Chinese soldiers go to the East Coast by ship (which you've failed to do) and were able to create an invasion force. Your response is basically proving that there were ships. I'm not going to contest that, instead I'm contesting the realism of that even happening.

The logic is that they built a big navy and invaded. Which they are capable of doing given there's an inexahustible supply of robot, it is the other remaining sci-fi nuclear superpower, and they are engaged in a last ditch global war of annihilation with fascist America.

I'm not sure what you're actually objecting to since it's a war we know escalates to the destruction of the world and was run by idiotic idealogues on both sides.
 
Someone seems forgot the reason behind the Great war in Fallout.

I'm fairly sure the switch to nuclear power was brought about in large part because of the lack of other resources. Even so, the Resource Wars resulted in the fall of all the other countries on Earth while both America and China DO have enough left to continue their war.

Do you really think China doesn't have enough resources to invade America? Especially since they already have as a massive part of the setting's backstory?

Anchorage? Anyone. They failed to take Alaska, which would have probably served as a beach head for the invasion through Canada but they went to invade the East Coast instead after nuking the West. Any arguments this is stupid should remember that it failed and it destroyed the world.
 
I'm not sure you're actually aware of the capabilities of the vessels in the setting.

https://www.wired.com/2011/05/0510uss-triton-underwater-circumnavigation/

There is literally no need for a submarine to refuel in a global circumnavigation of the world with conventional RL technology, let alone Fallout technology. This also includes food, sanitation, and water.
This is a great example, but it ignores entirely that the Chinese subs aren't necessarily of the same caliber (this is the same country that apparently uses several century outdated atomic bombs) and that they're carrying soldiers and more men then usual. Did I mention they're going through hostile waters against the most technologically advanced nation in the Fallout world?

The logic is that they built a big navy and invaded. Which they are capable of doing given there's an inexahustible supply of robot, it is the other remaining sci-fi nuclear superpower, and they are engaged in a last ditch global war of annihilation with fascist America.

I'm not sure what you're actually objecting to since it's a war we know escalates to the destruction of the world and was run by idiotic idealogues on both sides.
Mentioning subs being able to go a long distance does not equal large fleets of men doing the same. They can be attacked long before they're near the coast, they can be destroyed and slowed down by other ships, planes and artillery. Your logic is deeply flawed because it equates the success of one sub going through peaceful waters to the destined success of hundreds of ships going through hostile ocean and being open to attack.

Bethesda sure has their claws deep inside you.
 
I'm fairly sure the switch to nuclear power was brought about in large part because of the lack of other resources. Even so, the Resource Wars resulted in the fall of all the other countries on Earth while both America and China DO have enough left to continue their war.

Do you really think China doesn't have enough resources to invade America? Especially since they already have as a massive part of the setting's backstory?

Anchorage? Anyone. They failed to take Alaska, which would have probably served as a beach head for the invasion through Canada but they went to invade the East Coast instead after nuking the West. Any arguments this is stupid should remember that it failed and it destroyed the world.
CT Phipps, we're working from different histories. One is presented by Bethesda and the other by the original games and is helped partly by New Vegas. Also, one of the reasons the Chinese invasion of Alaska stalls, as does the American invasion of China is because BOTH factions run out of gear and equipment. The ENTIRE point of the Chinese invasion was a last ditch attempt to stop the Americans from 'winning' as they had the best industry (albeit plagued by disease, dissent and death) and were running out fast. Hence from the history presented by the Bible China CANNOT invade the East coast, as they attacked from a position of weakness.
 
This is a great example, but it ignores entirely that the Chinese subs aren't necessarily of the same caliber (this is the same country that apparently uses several century outdated atomic bombs) and that they're carrying soldiers and more men then usual. Did I mention they're going through hostile waters against the most technologically advanced nation in the Fallout world?

We're dealing with alternate history so I think it's important to try to separate ourselves from RL history. We don't know the level of technology the Chinese are capable of as our only example of their technology in battle is the Yangtze Submarine, the weapons they left behind, and the highly inaccurate Operation: Anchorage.

I would also question the use of the term "Outdated Bomb" because we do see that the results of the atomic bombs they use are effectively neutron bombs in that they're designed to Cathargian "salt the Earth" and have centuries of radioactive mutated Fallout versus pure destruction. While this is outdated compared to an ICBM, I remind you the US is having Liberty Prime literally THROW their bombs.

Obviously, there's more than submarines being used as the Chinese would need aircraft carriers for their bombers (unless they're some kind of nuclear powered variant which doesn't need conventional fuel). As for hostile waters, the Fall of Europe means that the patrol roots of the US Navy are the only things the Chinese have to worry about.

Mentioning subs being able to go a long distance does not equal large fleets of men doing the same. They can be attacked long before they're near the coast, they can be destroyed and slowed down by other ships, planes and artillery. Your logic is deeply flawed because it equates the success of one sub going through peaceful waters to the destined success of hundreds of ships going through hostile ocean and being open to attack.

Bethesda sure has their claws deep inside you.

They could have been and probably were. Of course, the nature of the conflict is that it is a conflict between militant war-hungry resource-starved expanionist powers deeply involved in ideological power games. Also, that the world was already collapsing into anarchy. Furthermore, the assumption that wise military decisions will be made in times of chaos, paranoia, and global conflict do not reflect history or the human mindset.

As released Soviet documents stated, generals were stunned at the assumption the United States believed a conflict would be a conventional war which escalated to a nuclear one while Soviet plans were first strike with nuclear weapons with no plans for a conventional war.

This shows the Chinese and Americans in this universe were on the same page until the end.
 
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