OK, if everyone seems to believe that Bethesda will not do a good Fallout 3 and ruin the series (as was done with Fallout Tactics?) why not try to organise the fan base and develop a non-commercial indie Fallout game that the fans will enjoy. I reealise that it may be almost impossible to pull it off, but doing something beats waiting to get screwed by the game publishers time and time again. Not so?
Rosh on Fallout 3
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Dracon M'Alkir
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Akudin said:
1. "Almost impossible"..
2. FIFE.
*sigh*Akudin said:
Yet again?
Whatever.
Anyway:
- Afterfall
- FIFE
- FMF
Montez said:
Have you even read the discussion at RPG codex, the debate between Kharn and Rosh? The very same link in the first post in this thread... There's a little bit more than just "a rumour that some guy annonimously posted somewhere"... Rosh said that his source was a bethesda developer, and he told him what you guys posted as a news-"rumour". No, it's not an official info, but it seems to be pretty much reliable, doesn't it?
Okay, think about this for a minute:sanyok21 said:
Rosh claims that he spoke to a Bethesda dev who claimed some things.
How is this different from 'anonymous guy on the 'net claims'?
That said, I put enough trust in Rosh's and VD's words.
sanyok21 said:
Really? Can you name the developer? Do you know how involved he is in Fallout? Do you know how Rosh is translating what he was told? Are you sure the developer isn't jerking him around in a guerilla-war attempt to discredit us?
Lots of reasons to believe it, lots of reasons not to believe it. Lots of reasons to ask questions.
If you want to believe it blindly, I tip my hat at you, go ahead, but don't expect everyone to agree with you.
Also; moot point.
sanyok21 said:
I don't have to. I have no reason to. I have a lot of respect for him, but that's irrelevant to this matter.
Willingly or not, you're making yourself a puppet of Rosh's trolling. You think that because you're relaying things that he says elsewhere, you have a case to make and answers to expect. You don't.
All it does is put the NMA administration in a position where in order to "disprove" the various extrapolated allegations and speculations, we have to either quote extensively from private discussions or engage in fruitless drama bouts. We won't.
And now is seems there's this deeply confused notion that the perceived "Rosh vs. NMA" issue will be retroactively settled by whether or not the game turns out to be as he describes. This doesn't make sense from any angle. Our administrational matters aren't about who has the most gaming industry savvy or who sits on the biggest inside truths. I have none, but it doesn't rob me of the ability to see what makes sense and what doesn't, what's reasonable and what isn't.
Rosh chose to leave rather than talk to and work with us. If we're going to pick up that thread it won't be with you as the middle man.
sanyok21 said:
Irony?
zioburosky13
Vault Senior Citizen
Rosh claims working on a CRPG. I would like to see what's he cooking.
He's no different from Bethesda if there's no any hard evidence suggesting what he's doing. (We all know Bethesda is making FO3 anyway).
He's no different from Bethesda if there's no any hard evidence suggesting what he's doing. (We all know Bethesda is making FO3 anyway).
"Rosh chose to leave rather than talk to and work with us. If we're going to pick up that thread it won't be with you as the middle man. "
Why, because I'm not respected within the community enough?
"Are you sure the developer isn't jerking him around in a guerilla-war attempt to discredit us? "
Actually, this one is good enough for me... Haven't thought about that one. From that article you guys posted, where you investigate the divide and conquer method bethesda used with the star trek fans, it's not out of the question that this one just might be it, and this is what bethesda wanted. But then again, it doesn't really make sense, because if they'll do the opposite of what Rosh claims, they are making a game which we want. So why even work against the fans?
It's just that you say that Rosh's info should be treated as just another rumour from anybody else, and in the next sentence you say how trusted and respected he is within the community. At least now I can see why there's a reason to suspect.
Why, because I'm not respected within the community enough?
"Are you sure the developer isn't jerking him around in a guerilla-war attempt to discredit us? "
Actually, this one is good enough for me... Haven't thought about that one. From that article you guys posted, where you investigate the divide and conquer method bethesda used with the star trek fans, it's not out of the question that this one just might be it, and this is what bethesda wanted. But then again, it doesn't really make sense, because if they'll do the opposite of what Rosh claims, they are making a game which we want. So why even work against the fans?
It's just that you say that Rosh's info should be treated as just another rumour from anybody else, and in the next sentence you say how trusted and respected he is within the community. At least now I can see why there's a reason to suspect.
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
This was all old-hat quite a while ago, anyways.
From the way it sounds, Rosh apparently has a team of writers planning a trilogy so that they can all be interconnected and provide a narrative that accounts for all of the player's decisions from beginning to end. At this point, it sounds like all he has is mountainloads of text. Any kind of release of material would be a huge spoiler.
From the way it sounds, Rosh apparently has a team of writers planning a trilogy so that they can all be interconnected and provide a narrative that accounts for all of the player's decisions from beginning to end. At this point, it sounds like all he has is mountainloads of text. Any kind of release of material would be a huge spoiler.
Melanthius
First time out of the vault
I don't know squat about Rosh's or VD's leaks, but I generally consider everything to be rumor or hearsay until I see it for myself or hear it "straight from the horse's mouth".
I won't buy FO3 based on hype, nostalgia, or any other insubstantial or emotional reason. I will buy it if it is a sequel faithful to the original. Period. Even if I like what I see I'll still be a little skeptical (FOT) and wait a month or two after release before I make a final decision.
What I am beginning to worry about (I'm sure most of you are way ahead of me on this) is what may happen if this title fails as miserably as I expect. I'm afraid the industry might miss the obvious message of "this is what happens when you ignore the fanbase" and simply conclude that "PA RPGs are a bad investment because they do not sell".
I won't buy FO3 based on hype, nostalgia, or any other insubstantial or emotional reason. I will buy it if it is a sequel faithful to the original. Period. Even if I like what I see I'll still be a little skeptical (FOT) and wait a month or two after release before I make a final decision.
What I am beginning to worry about (I'm sure most of you are way ahead of me on this) is what may happen if this title fails as miserably as I expect. I'm afraid the industry might miss the obvious message of "this is what happens when you ignore the fanbase" and simply conclude that "PA RPGs are a bad investment because they do not sell".
Read Rosh's latest comment :
http://www.rpgcodex.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=337764#337764
Let's see...because I've been around the Fallout fandom for a pretty long time, a lot longer than anyone else currently at a Fallout site, have spoken with developers of ALL Fallout-titled games since Fallout 1 was being developed, been involved with more than 3 Fallout fansites (DAC, NMA, V13, with some help on others), have been a public figure in said fandom and others with knowledge about the Fallout franchise to aid developers to improve upon the initial poor design of a spin-off (FOT), spread word of mouth to aid in the humiliating death of a poor spin-off - a title pirated more times than legitimately purchased (FOS), and have been in contact with current Bethesda devs to give a few nudges here and there where possible, while leaking the occasional tidbit overtop the NMA Mantra of "Bethesda hasn't told us anything yet."
To anyone outside the fandom that's irrelevant, and that was more or less the point. It's a case of credibility and not letting yourself be marginalised.
Were we wrong with this? Perhaps.
In any case, most of what Rosh is doing now is stirring up more drama. *shrugs* His choice.
This whole cross-site trolling deal here is getting tiresome, though. You want to discuss this with Rosh? Go to the Codex. No need to re-post his posts here.
Were we wrong with this? Perhaps.
In any case, most of what Rosh is doing now is stirring up more drama. *shrugs* His choice.
This whole cross-site trolling deal here is getting tiresome, though. You want to discuss this with Rosh? Go to the Codex. No need to re-post his posts here.
You missed a spot, Taxacaria:
As far as I'm concerned, we're done here. Rosh doesn't have anything to add anymore. If he just wants to bad what we did, fine, he might be right, he might be wrong, but either way it won't change anything.
As far as I'm concerned, we're done here. Rosh doesn't have anything to add anymore. If he just wants to bad what we did, fine, he might be right, he might be wrong, but either way it won't change anything.
sanyok21 said:
No, I was quoting Rosh from the Codex. The fact that you confuse the two just further proves the theory, but I don't want to dwell on that, it's really not important.
Sorrow
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I think that it wasn't Rosh. He didn't mention EC Comics.sanyok21 said:
Kharn said:
Woopsy, my bad... I just remember RPG of the year saying that a while back... Maybe I'm wrong. Anyways, filtering the info from the flaming which goes on at the codex, Rosh has pretty much showed himsef as very naive, if he thinks now sending an email attack might change things... Hell, even doing that back at 2004 wouldn't change nothing. I have been reading the forums here since 2004, (but not at the codex and DAC, I think I should do that too), and everything which has to be said about what should fallout 3 look like, and what shouldn't be in fallout 3 in our opinion, was said quite a lot of times. The bethesda devs which did visit here, have stated that they lurk here and read what we think, so how the hell should emailng them with the same info change anything? besides, Rosh seems to have done the work for you and emailed them, and with his talent of writing things down and expressing himself, either way the guys back at bethsoft were exposed to all NMA, DAC and RPG codex have to say about fallout 3, so what's the whole fuss is about? I hope he'll answer this here or there