Russia unveils first image of its Satan 2 super-nuke

valcik said:
Both bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki detonated in high altitudes though.
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So would all MIRVs? That's how you do most damage over the largest area. Ground level blasts are a waste of resources for conventional nukes.

Only Bunker Busters would detonate on ground level or below. And as far as I know you don't MIRV bunker busters in the current generation.
Maybe the Russians have made some MIRV'ed bunker busters especially for Cheyenne mountain or something, but that would be the exception, not the rule.

valcik said:
Yep, I'm well aware that most the warheads are set to detonate above ground.
I think that in case of global nuclear war every big city would have been hit by several warheads though, some of them set to detonate in air and some on ground. Or perhaps one or two earth penetrating too!
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None would detonate on the ground. If they fail to detonate at their intended altitude, it's highly unlikely that they will detonate at all.

valcik said:
Russkies know that there is a huge fallout shelter beneath most of the big hospitals in any huge city for instance, with enough food, water, and medical supplies to support hundreds or thousands of people for months. For example, there was enough of these shelters to provide safety for a half of citizens in Czechoslovakia - more than 7.5 million people, so they'll try to render them unusable or damage these underground structures enough to make them unsafe/inoperable.
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With the current economy, do you really think those supplies are up to snuff?
Even at peak Cold War, the USA was using crackers which were to hard you could break teeth and you needed to soak them to eat them. These crackers often also turned out to contain worms (lol protein).
And you think that Russia maintains those shelters and supplies diligently?
Don't make me laugh.

Besides, the issue (as demonstrated in many Cold War drills) is getting that "half of the populations" to those shelters at all. And in the Cold War people were aware of the threat, had a large Civil Defense to guide them and we taught in school how to act. I'd be amazed if current citizens know what to do.

After the launch order has been given, you have 4 minutes before launch and ~30 minute flight time before detonation for nukes from the US to Russia. For continental missiles in France, Britain or Israel about half or a third of that. How exactly are you going to let half your population know to get to bomb shelters in that time? Not everyone listens to radio or tv, or checks the internet. Sure, we have air horns, but who's actually going to act upon hearing it?
When I hear an air horn here, it's to call in the voluntary firemen for a fire or other accident because the normal method of contacting them through cellphones etc did not make enough people turn up. I'm sure we have an air horn signal meant for bombardments, but I sure as hell don't know the difference between the volunteer fireman call and the nuclear bombardment call. So I'd be oblivious of the threat.
 
SuAside said:
None would detonate on the ground. If they fail to detonate at their intended altitude, it's highly unlikely that they will detonate at all.
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I seriously think that in global nuclear war, when you are going to wipe out as many people as you can, some warheads would be intentionally set to detonate on ground. In order to damage underground infrastructures including water/gas pipes, raise some fallout, and make that place as dangerous for survivors as it gets. Unlike Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in global nuclear conflict both sides would go for extermination, not occupation.

With the current economy, do you really think those supplies are up to snuff?
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Well, I had visited one of our big shelters and the supplies are fine, food is replaced every couple of months. I don't know how it looks in Russian or American shelters, that's their own problem.

I'd be amazed if current citizens know what to do.
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Yep, many younger folks would be clueless.

When I hear an air horn here, it's to call in the voluntary firemen for a fire or other accident because the normal method of contacting them through cellphones etc did not make enough people turn up.
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Same here, air horns are blown only to call the voluntary units, or simply to test their functionality. I know their signals though, civil defense program in former Czechoslovakia was pretty advanced and serious actually, and all I need is 15 minutes to get in the shelter, so hopefully I'd make it in time. As for the others, bad luck for them and more place in the shelter for my own family I guess. Learn the signals Sua FFS!
 
MutantScalper said:
Nagasaki and Hiroshima had a pretty densely populated city centres for them to cause so many deaths. Of cause there's the long term effects too, dying later from wounds, burns and radiation. Truly messed up and unpleasant to even think about.
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In Japan they had a word for the people that survived the bombing, but died a couple of hours later due to their wounds, they have been described as something that actually fitts in a Silent Hill game. Hell, if I remember correctly those creatures have been even 'inspired' by them. People, described as pale like gray ash, without any recognizable face and arms, making inhuman noises while they walk around the scene, some even had their dead children with them, which looked more like a black lump of coal. Well, that is at least how a few survivors described it.

We humans really don't need hell, we are pretty great at making our own I guess.
 
I suspect there are zero large mammals in the central plains of Iceland, not even sheep.

Just a big bunch of absolutely nothing!
 
Russian nuclear-capable drone submarine tested, Russian press going full Dr. Merkwürdigliebe:
https://www.sott.net/article/336157-Nuclear-arms-race-Russia-tests-nuclear-capable-drone-sub
Schneider, the former Pentagon official who has held a number of positions involving strategic weapons, said reports from Russia indicate the drone sub will be armed with a 100-megaton warhead.

"The Russian government daily Rossiyskaya Gazeta reported that to achieve 'extensive radioactive contamination' the weapon 'could envisage using the so-called cobalt bomb, a nuclear weapon designed to produce enhanced amounts of radioactive fallout compared to a regular atomic warhead,'" Schneider said. "A cobalt bomb is a 'doomsday' weapons concept conceived during the Cold War, but apparently never actually developed," he said.
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I wouldn't be worrying about Russia, their economy sucks donkey balls, half of their news leaks are fakes to scare the kiddies, their new tank looks like shit, and probably doesn't do half the stuff they claim.

Sure they can threaten smaller weaker nations, but against NATO or China they would be in big trouble, all they have is an ageing nuclear weapons arsenal to keep everyone at bay.

Russia is 12th on the economic table...12th one step up on Australia, and they have only 25 million people, lots of sheep and dirt for sale, Russia is a joke, and Putin did this to them, what a shame.

United States
China
Japan
Germany
United Kingdom
France
India
Italy
Brazil
Canada
Korea
Russia
Australia

Name one country lead by a dictator that performed economic wonders in the world...I can only think of one - Singapore and Lee Kuan Yew, and that country is smaller than Moscow, with no natural resources...but I have to give credit to the Singaporean Chinese, they work hard and save their monies (to buy stupid shit) but nevertheless they work hard and smart.
 
Hmm... I wonder why their economy is shit... doesn't have anything to do with the collapse of the USSR, the fall of gas prices, the sanctions against them, the lack of any work done by Yeltsin to solve the problem... hmmm...
 
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