Russian-Ukrainian war

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Tagaziel, Feb 28, 2014.

  1. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Abalutza oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
  2. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Surely comes handy. There's a lot of military activity reported from Ukraine in recent days, a few militant groups started attacking Ukrainian soldiers defending city of Shyrokyne. Attackers have been repelled back by 155mm howitzers at Ukrainian defense line, so if any of those recently killed men turns out to be Russian "volunteers" fighting along with separatists, their families don't have a chance to get any official informations about them from Russian government. Also, any social benefits belonging to families of killed troopers are postponed or cancelled thanks to this informational embargo, because those troopers officialy don't exist. This smells like a typical soviet pile of shit to me. There's already massive civil movement organised by mothers and wifes forming in Moscow, because those women don't know what happened with their missing sons/husbands.
     
  3. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Abalutza oTO Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005

    I agree. Very shitty thing for them to do, especially to their own soldiers and their families. The evidence just keeps piling up. Shit sandwich all around.
     
  4. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Pretty interesting, not directly related to Ukraine, but still it has some significance.

     
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  5. agiel7

    agiel7 First time out of the vault

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    Oct 3, 2010
  6. Sub-Human

    Sub-Human -

    May 31, 2011
    You're giving the man too much credit, his regime will collapse well before he has a chance to invade another country... Another wave of sanctions will obliterate the Russian economy even further.
     
  7. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    I sure hope so, but the current sanctions are not stopping him from spending even more money on the military. I suspect he might have that stalin paranoia going on, since there was already an attempt to kill him in the past (2012 i think). He will not give up his position even if it means starting new wars and killing millions of people, because if his regime crumbles, he is basically fucked. And not in one way either, because before he became the president, there were investigations going into supposed economical crimes he committed while in his previous post.
     
  8. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Good to know that there's still a lot of reasonable and sensible people living in Moscow. They better hurry up!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/25/us-ukraine-crisis-soldier-exclusive-idUSKBN0P520220150625
     
  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008


    Sad when satire is doing the job I expect from serious journalism.

    (activate the subtitles on youtube)
     
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  10. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012

    YAY!!!
    Except the part where you get bombed, dude, don't be a hero, I don't understand this mentality many guys have of "I'll fight and die, that's for sure" - be a fuckin refugee, there's no shame in it, and you get to live another day. Besides, those fleeing women, babies and elderly could probably appreciate having some combat-able guys with them as well!
     
  11. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    What the hell is this? Don't tell me, the conversation is biased against Russia? Damn propaganda takers...
     
  12. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Oh wow... you actually think the sanctions are screwing him up? They're doing more damage to Europe because Russia has gone beyond them. It has oil, factories and resources to sustain itself. Example: Russia produces 80% of their own cars.
     
  13. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    theres 20-some pages, it is mostly biased against war and destruction, but eh...

    who are we supposed to be biased against, then?
    who is The Bad Guy here, Russia OR Ukraine OR the EU OR the US?

    This is one of the reasons I stay away from these kind of actual debates. The culprit here is power's need for future guarantees, a power's constant need to either maintain or expand power. American power-plays around the world has become so common place, it is considered passé to even criticize American imperialism by now - it's "so 90s", in other words, America is now fully allowed and expected to invade and bomb around as they see fit.

    Russia is just now behaving in a similar manner, although much less aggressively. Much less aggressively than the US.

    Potential players for the future is China, as mentioned above, and yet further ahead we might see countries like India or Brazil suddenly "turning rogue" in order to expand their power. Indonesia, for example, also comes to mind. They have the population of a major power, as well as the aggressive eccentrism, especially in their recent past. All they need is the economical backing, which is mostly a matter of waiting.
     
  14. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Everyone is evil. But some are worse then others.
     
  15. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Also, sanctions do hurt, since it blocks a lot of the less essential trade, still makes life more sucky inside the country. Sure, they can produce grain and cars, but what then? North Korea can also produce grains.

    The biggest backlash of sanctions is rather that the population being hurt by them, end up blaming the sanction-makers, rather than their own government, which in turn strengthens the unity of the country being sanctioned. We are currently seeing this effect in Russia.
     
  16. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    That's true, but Europe suffered from it too. While Putin is prone to macho stunts and is no angel he is a strong leader who says what he does and does what he says.
     
  17. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    The whole "strong leader" charm kinda evaporated once he started to kick all the gay people around.
     
  18. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Death to amerika.

    Death to amerika.

    Death to amerika.

    But other nations are bad too.

    Death to amerika.

    Death to amerika.

    Death to amerika.

    Ignore every other possible reason a country is poor, death to amerika.

    Amerika is responsible for ISIS, AL QAEDA, sectarianism, DEATH.

    Oh yea, never mind Israel got sneak attacked by an arab coalition but Israel like Amerika so Israel bad.

    Damn necromancers.
     
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  19. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Really? Dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with them as typical half-assed America haters? DO I have to point out the failures of their so called 'great' country. Their people can be nice but the country is screwed (as in it's ain't no savior of the world). Of course, he totally started kicking gays around! He's homophobic and gays are suppressed! Hello? It's not illegal, while marriages aren't legally accepted they aren't going to come to your door and take you to Siberia for being gay and married. That's exaggerated propaganda, which Russia also has but it uses it with more finesse (apart from the macho stunts, Putin what the hell?).

    America is a hypocrite. Everything it accuses Russia it does several times worse!