fedaykin said:
alec said:
It's collateral damage, man.
Yes, children being bombed is collateral damage. It's exactly like your car or fence being accidentally damaged.
Oh, wait: you think Israel actually targetted these children? Get real, man. These kids died because it's a densily populated area that was bombed and because Hamas likes to set up their headquarters in such densily populated areas, preferably close to schools, so that in the case of an attack they can go all: "See, see what those fucking Jews are capable of?" Those Hamas fuckers use their own people as a fucking shield, man, you don't have to be a fucking genius to figure that one out.
The violence between Israelis and Palestinians has been going on for more than 60 years now. Sixty. That's a friggin' long time. And as far as I know there have been peace negotiations between both parties since 1993, that's 15 years. Which is also a friggin' long time. The reason why these peace negotiations fail, again and again, is really very simple: neither one of the parties is willing to compromise. And they never will.
Solution: one of both parties needs to be removed. Permanently.
Why doesn't that happen? Because the whole fucking world is watching. The media are on it, 24/7. Bomb something and five minutes later images like the ones posted in this thread are broadcasted worldwide. The media are the main reason why modern wars fail miserably and this has been going on since Vietnam. People see the atrocities of war (and atrocities they are) and that's it: you can kiss your victory goodbye. You've lost before you've even begun. Mothers start crying and people start to demonstrate against the horror of war. "Don't send my boy home in a bag, boohoohoo...", "We never wanted this war, boohoohoo..." and so on. And this while warfare has never been so clean and basically painless in the whole goddamn history of humankind as it is now. Or do you think that getting perforated by 5 arrows and slowly bleeding to death or getting gutted by a broadsword and holding onto your own goddamn intestines is somehow more civilized? War is a dirty thing, but it's a necessary evil from time to time. If your neighbouring country constantly pisses you off, you can't just ask all your own civilians to turn the other cheek again and again. No, you bomlb the crap out of them and get it over with. If some foreign country invades a befriended country, you go and help your allies. But oh no, we are civilized beings now, we shouldn't fight ever again. Think of the children! And so armies have to watch their steps 'cause the whole world is watching, they can bomb a little, but they can't obliterate, and they have to be very careful if they send in troops because, oh dear, oh dear, what if one of their soldiers would get shot in the leg and would have to get his leg amputated, what would his mommy think of that? And so all wars are lost before they even begin. Because you can't really fight anymore, you can't use your most effective bombs, because all hell will break loose if you kill to many "innocent" bystanders.
Conflicts basically not getting solved anymore is a bad thing. It's worse than the wars that should solve them. It costs more, it takes longer and... it just never gets solved. You know how to stop the Taliban for good? You nuke the crap out of Afghanistan. That's one big investment but after that you can send your boys home and you won't be fucking up your economy for years on end. You know how to solve the neverending story of the Palestinians versus the Israelis? You let them fight it out between the two of them, no rules, no media coverage, last man standing. And no fucking Red Cross or Doctors Without Borders or any other fucking organization gets in.
That's how the Mongols took care of things. That's how the Romans took care of things. That's how the Greek took care of things. Compared to these civilizations, we are a bunch of whining kids that need to toughen up. It's not the bee that matters, it's the beehive.
