Shamus Young "The Blistering Stupidity of Fallout 3"

My point is that when a work neglects the bigger picture and fails t have a consistent world it's then rather easy to poke further holes with the small stuff too as the bigger stuff dwasn't compeling enough to make you not care about them.
You are bound to find "holes" if you go out of your way to look for them, or make them yourself.
 
My point is that when a work neglects the bigger picture and fails t have a consistent world it's then rather easy to poke further holes with the small stuff too as the bigger stuff dwasn't compeling enough to make you not care about them.

I mean in NV House magically builds a laser (Raul says rockets, not lasers) system that magically shoots down nukes without any evidence of it existing besides the dialogue telling you it does. I'm guessing if you're biased towards disliking FO3 that question won't ever come up though.
Magically? He was the president of RobCo (one of the top leading robot manufacturing and technological devvelopment companies) and one of the richest people alive.... The Lucky 38 tower controlled them and the Securitrons were under one of the vaults that stored this kind of systems. House spent the last years of the pre war world preparing for the apocalypse he predicted.
Grasping at straws aren't you?

See? You just did exactly what I said. The laser(and rocket?) system is never shown, yet it magically saved Vegas because the writers said so. You don't question this because of your bias. Proving my point.

Also he defends himself with one easily hacked terminal, for a smart guy who owned RobCo this is a pretty big screw up. Again, you'll defend anything you want and bash anything else. There is no point in speaking to you.
 
No I didn't do what you did-You made up reasons for something that makes no sense, I gave you information that is shown in the setting in game. I don't know if you have eyesight problems but the Lucky 38 tower is a pretty noticeable building in the wasteland and it's stated to be the center of operation of House's systems even the laser defense system. Even then it's stated that it wasn't perfect because the Platinum Chip wasn't delviered on time and he had to go into a coma for longer than he intended. You see the game actually provided the information you are claiming it's magical.....
Also, that "easily hacked terminal" requires the Platinum Chip to open and he is surrounded by murder bots, it's not quite on the same level as you making up reasons for the Tunnel Snakes to have any kind of role in the Vault while the setting itself showing that they didn't.
I mean if you are trying to build an argument make sure you are actually making some sense....
 
No I didn't do what you did-You made up reasons for something that makes no sense, I gave you information that is shown in the setting in game. I don't know if you have eyesight problems but the Lucky 38 tower is a pretty noticeable building in the wasteland and it's stated to be the center of operation of House's systems even the laser defense system. Even then it's stated that it wasn't perfect because the Platinum Chip wasn't delviered on time and he had to go into a coma for longer than he intended. You see the game actually provided the information you are claiming it's magical.....
Also, that "easily hacked terminal" requires the Platinum Chip to open and he is surrounded by murder bots, it's not quite on the same level as you making up reasons for the Tunnel Snakes to have any kind of role in the Vault while the setting itself showing that they didn't.
I mean if you are trying to build an argument make sure you are actually making some sense....

Sorry dude, I'm putting you on ignore. You're impossible to reason with or talk to, you're so insanely biased and you won't even acknowledge it. Goodbye.
 
No I didn't do what you did-You made up reasons for something that makes no sense, I gave you information that is shown in the setting in game. I don't know if you have eyesight problems but the Lucky 38 tower is a pretty noticeable building in the wasteland and it's stated to be the center of operation of House's systems even the laser defense system. Even then it's stated that it wasn't perfect because the Platinum Chip wasn't delviered on time and he had to go into a coma for longer than he intended. You see the game actually provided the information you are claiming it's magical.....
Also, that "easily hacked terminal" requires the Platinum Chip to open and he is surrounded by murder bots, it's not quite on the same level as you making up reasons for the Tunnel Snakes to have any kind of role in the Vault while the setting itself showing that they didn't.
I mean if you are trying to build an argument make sure you are actually making some sense....

Sorry dude, I'm putting you on ignore. You're impossible to reason with or talk to, you're so insanely biased and you won't even acknowledge it. Goodbye.


Actually he raised some pretty valid points despite him acting a bit belligerent. :|
 
I find it kind of odd that he stated you don't see the Defense lasers ingame since I always thought that those "spikes" sticking out of the Lucky 38 were the laser cannons and the top of the building would spin or something so they could shoot the missiles.
 
No I didn't do what you did-You made up reasons for something that makes no sense, I gave you information that is shown in the setting in game. I don't know if you have eyesight problems but the Lucky 38 tower is a pretty noticeable building in the wasteland and it's stated to be the center of operation of House's systems even the laser defense system. Even then it's stated that it wasn't perfect because the Platinum Chip wasn't delviered on time and he had to go into a coma for longer than he intended. You see the game actually provided the information you are claiming it's magical.....
Also, that "easily hacked terminal" requires the Platinum Chip to open and he is surrounded by murder bots, it's not quite on the same level as you making up reasons for the Tunnel Snakes to have any kind of role in the Vault while the setting itself showing that they didn't.
I mean if you are trying to build an argument make sure you are actually making some sense....

Sorry dude, I'm putting you on ignore. You're impossible to reason with or talk to, you're so insanely biased and you won't even acknowledge it. Goodbye.


Actually he raised some pretty valid points despite him acting a bit belligerent. :|

Not really, considering he never acknowledged the fact that the lasers literally do not exist in game and are described as both lasers and rockets in game which is inconsistent. This is one example and I would need time and to replay the game to find more, and the Tunnel Snakes jacket thing isn't close to a plot hole. I mean the terminal to get to House's body literally says "Unauthorized User!" when you open it, meaning that House (a genius) wasn't smart enough to lock everyone and anyone out of it.

The point here is literally no game or property is perfect, but people like him claim the ones they like are and the ones they dislike are super flawed. It's insanely biased and incorrect.

I find it kind of odd that he stated you don't see the Defense lasers ingame since I always thought that those "spikes" sticking out of the Lucky 38 were the laser cannons and the top of the building would spin or something so they could shoot the missiles.

The lasers are supposed to be on top, but even with noclip there is nothing. It's just an oversight because Obsidian probably figured it didn't matter.
 
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The Lasers are atop the Tower, it's stated, did you miss it? Also Hacking a 75 terminal while surrounded by murderbots is not exactly a security hole and yo uare the literal only person ever allowed into the casino (kind of an stated plot point).
The dude that lived in Mexico when it happened said it's rockets, the actual guy who invented and used it says it was Lasers, I don't see hwo this is an inconsistency, Raul is just worng about it....

Kind of offtopic but, Have you guys ever tried unlocking the locked Elevator in Benny's escape tunnel? It leads to a fully designed basement of Vault 21 with crates filled with explosives and shit. Wonder why they locked it out... Maybe they had a quest planned for it?
 
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The lasers are supposed to be on top, but even with noclip there is nothing. It's just an oversight because Obsidian probably figured it didn't matter.
Well, the "spikes" are almost at the top, probably high enough to shoot the missiles. It's just my theory though.
 
The lasers are supposed to be on top, but even with noclip there is nothing. It's just an oversight because Obsidian probably figured it didn't matter.
Well, the "spikes" are almost at the top, probably high enough to shoot the missiles. It's just my theory though.

Right, it's never confirmed or shown so it's just a guess. Same as the tunnel snakes jackets. It isn't totally important, but to condemn one and try in vain to explain the other makes no sense.
 
I was about to post that.

"He programmed multiple mainframes with satellite links meant to disable the vast majority of the Chinese missiles while in flight, then designed an array of high powered laser cannons, which he had installed on the roof of the Lucky 38, to deal with any missile his program had missed. "
 
I was about to post that.

"He programmed multiple mainframes with satellite links meant to disable the vast majority of the Chinese missiles while in flight, then designed an array of high powered laser cannons, which he had installed on the roof of the Lucky 38, to deal with any missile his program had missed. "

Yeah I'm aware of this, it explains nothing. I said the cannons are never shown and don't exist in game, ergo they only exist in the story and Raul also calls them "missiles" and not lasers.
 
So basically it comes down to:

Jackets = Not important where they came from, so exposition on this is pointless.

Laser System = Not important to see, doesn't need to be shown. The story saying it exists is all you need.

If one is okay and the other is not, you may have a mental problem. Just saying.
 
Jackets: Trivial detail I only called attention to when the topic of the tunnel snakes came up and I didn't make a big deal of.

Laser System = Something well stablished in game through dialogue and a huge ass tower that is visible from Goodsprings and you are basically ignoring things to make a nonsensical point whil getting mad at me jokingly bringiing up the question of where did they get the jackets.

Do go on, this is hilarious to read.
 
Seeing as this thread has turned into a discussion about the Tunnel Snakes (which were mentioned in the article) I'm going to say I had no problem with them, especially because they were in a Vault which would have more access to pre-war media than the people outside. As to where they got the jackets? I'll just have to assume they found a stash of clothes people brought in with them and then took advantage of their sewing, just because you're a greezer gang doesn't mean you can't sew. Also the Overseer's logs suggest he's worked with them in the past so he might have even helped them get the jackets.

I can see why people might consider this as a problem but it doesn't bother me at all.
 
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Jackets: Trivial detail I only called attention to when the topic of the tunnel snakes came up and I didn't make a big deal of.

Laser System = Something well stablished in game through dialogue and a huge ass tower that is visible from Goodsprings and you are basically ignoring things to make a nonsensical point whil getting mad at me jokingly bringiing up the question of where did they get the jackets.

Do go on, this is hilarious to read.

Holy crap, you'll do anything to defend your bias. It's scary. The laser system isn't established besides the story telling you it is, so you don't need proof. House also claims he's going to send people to space and colonize planets too and it's throwaway dialogue that is never expanded on and is totally ignored in the closing slide shows which should never have been mentioned if they weren't going to expand on it.

You think having leather jackets in a vault without explanation is a problem, but a super advanced laser system that does not actually exist in the game is not. Don't bother responding to this, I'm all done.
 
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