Should NCR collapse and the games return to the West Coast?

SarcasticGoodGuy said:
Oh ffs I forgot about that.
Who is the fucking idiot that green-lighted that?
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RevBladeZ said:
How about a game set in NCR where your choices would determine whether it collapses or not? Would be much more interesting than just being told that one of the biggest players in the wasteland collapsed. Though knowing how games work, NCR not collapsing probably ends up being canon. Still, an excuse enough to revisit some old locations in California.
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How about no more Fallout games? Now that would be awesome :clap:.
Yeah I am serious, Fallout shouldn't have any more games.
 
Risewild said:
To be honest I would prefer someone who can make a good game to just make a new fresh IP for their good game.
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True, but once the hope of any other Fallout game dies... Jesus, where does that leave the NMA? The Order can sustain itself indefinitely with circle jerking and inside jokes but the NMA will adapt or perish.
 
I want the Fallout franchise to survive, and come back strong one day. But as long as Bethesda Game Studios runs the show that will never happen, they will hold on to the franchise and flanderize it even more in every upcoming installment.

Even when Bethesda finally lets go a reboot will be needed to clear out all the crap, and it is obvious if that happens it will cater again to the current majority who believe RPGs are about meaningful relationships (romancing NPCs).
Basically we old Fallout fags still loose either way, under Bethesda, or rebooted under a new publisher.

Well perhaps one bright spot, we might one day make Fallout's world a reality and I doubt Bethesda will be able to tell the survivors how they should act, dress, and talk. (they would probably end up either mugged, enslaved, or become dinner)

As for NMA surviving, that is a good question and probably one we should discuss in the general topic one of these days.
 
In regards to the thread topic, my leanings are for the NCR not to collapse. What I would most prefer is that the story of New Vegas ended with the House/Independent ending. This denies victory to both the NCR and Legion, but could still allow them to be relevant in future games. NCR, for all it's flaws, I don't think would collapse just because they lost control of the Mojave. Legion I would like to see forced to adapt to their new circumstances and change.

The NCR however, I think has become large enough. It's implied they hold all of California, as well as east to the Mojave, and north into Oregon. They could maybe expand to encompass all of Oregon, maybe parts of Washington, and more chunks of Nevada, but that's kind of pushing it. What I would like to see the most in Fallout is for post-war America to be divided up into dozens of post-war nations. NCR, Legion, and maybe the East Coast Brotherhood should be the biggest players in North America, but they should not be the only ones. There can still be city-states, but there should be other powers as well. For contrast, if a House/Independent Mojave is a regional power, then the NCR and Legion are superpowers. I would advocate for there being more regional powers on the scale of the Mojave, but all across America.
 
I do think that destroying the NCR would be extremely derivative. The idea of "War never changes." is supposed to mean that while people always have a knack for killing each other, society can continue on. "War never changes, but people do." And while I have great respect for Avellone, just resetting the lore to zero with "Nukes again" is definitely not my idea of what he would call "Making the NCR more interesting."

I think we should just forget about California, really. Not in terms of like, the lore and stuff but of returning there for a full game. Unless it was like a remake or remaster of one of the old games. I mean, we've been there. We've done that. New Vegas certainly has a bit too much lean on the NCR due to them being the most powerful faction and the Legion content not being fully realized, but I think it was /about/ right. Maybe a little bit less presence, especially the farther from NCR land you go but I do think that they should be in other places.

I don't exactly want Todd Howard's crew to ever try and touch on the NCR unless they get some freelance writers who really know what they're doing at LEAST but on a more in-universe level it's almost unbelievable that with all the NCR's power that they don't have like an embassy in The Commonwealth or at least in the Brotherhood controlled D.C. mentioned in Fallout 4. Not a standing army like they had in Vegas, but just an embassy.

Objectively, there is a very strong case that can be made for destroying the NCR again. Mostly that they're repeating the same mistakes America (and the entire world, in many cases) have made and now they're facing the same issues such as corrupt bureaucracy, resource shortages, war, annexing a territory for its resources, ect. Personally, I want the NCR to survive because it turns the rest of the country into "The Frontier" which is about the best "wasteland" you can get out of Fallout 200 years later without asking yourself what the fuck is up with this entire destroyed area.

But either way it would be more interesting to see if the NCR can overcome the things that brought its predecessor down or if it's doomed to repeat the same mistakes all the way to the end. And because of this, I think there should be at least one New Vegas follow up to answer that. Aside from, you know... I just want one. Not all questions need answers, sure. But the NCR becoming so much like America before it certainly raises a question that I feel deserves an answer.
 
but on a more in-universe level it's almost unbelievable that with all the NCR's power that they don't have like an embassy in The Commonwealth or at least in the Brotherhood controlled D.C. mentioned in Fallout 4. Not a standing army like they had in Vegas, but just an embassy.
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Well one reason for that is because the NCR has not reached the East Coast. From what I have seen and read they might not even have gone past Colorado, let alone crossed the Midwest.
The Legion has not gone that far either, and to be honest I find it quite a stretch that a Brotherhood expedition managed to make it all the way to the East Coast without support along the way.

The world has become a lot more dangerous since the war took place, there is no telling how many raiders, existing and new mutations, organizations/governments, and who knows what other dangers would stand between the Core Region and the East Coast.
Even with motorized vehicles it would be a dangerous journey, and at best the BOS would have some fixed up trucks and armored transports, not trains as the railway network lies in pieces, or planes or zeppelins.
The journey would be impossible for vertibirds as they are still pretty short range and I don't think the Enclave would provide a map with locations of their refuel stations/bunkers.

The NCR would not waste resources to set up an outpost on the other side of the continent when there is no knowledge on what exactly between the West and East. They would focus more on the territories close to home and what settlements and governments those may hold.
 
The games should have slowly progressed to the east coast imo. Either that or Bethesda could have started a kind of sister series taking place on the east coast around the same time of the first game. And as the two series' settings grew closer to one another they'd become more relevant to one another with events from series A affecting the settings of the other series B and vice versa. That would have been neat.

And should the NCR. Collapse? Not for a long ass time. Nations don't just fall apart that easily.
 
I had such an idea myself as well R.Graves but I am not sure if such a concept would have worked well.
It would have required much more releases, main series titles and spin offs. There would already be the risk of franchise exhaustion then.
Perhaps a handful of titles consisting of main series entries and spin offs would have been better than a series that now will release a new game every couple of years because Zenimax wants to cash in another cheque until and will continue until the sales don't make the high profits any more the CEOs want to see.

I think I answered the NCR question already.
I have no problem with the NCR's expansion stagnating but I don't want the West Coast/Core Region being reset to pre Fallout 1. I rather would have liked to have seen the series moving Eastwards.
 
R.Graves said:
And should the NCR. Collapse? Not for a long ass time. Nations don't just fall apart that easily.
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And bear in mind that these guys didn't have Caesar, House, the Brotherhood, Tribal raiders and all that other crap to contend with. And weren't basically just an overgrown city-state.

The NCR probably has many internal divisions of its own, which might not be noticeable when things are going rather fine, but surface as soon as shit hits the fan. Also bear in mind that we never saw what the NCR looks like internally after surpassing city-state status. We only met a bunch of their soldiers and citizens in NV.

If the next west coast game is going to be further down the time line from New Vegas, at least one of the two major factions has to collapse, although it might as well be both. But if it has to be one, I say make it the NCR. After all, they're the boring faction. Dealing with the flaws of democracy is something that's part of our everyday lives, I'd rather spend my time in Fallout exploring a vast Romaboo neo-luddite society.
 
Illuminati Confirmed! said:
I'd rather spend my time belonging on a cross like a degenerate
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I agree with everything you said. It would be great to see the NCR dissolve, and the cities become independent, the cattle barons have an internal crash etc.

But at the same time, the Legion can't sustain itself if it's in control of the West and East. I'd prefer if they built a big wall, to keep out the filthy NCR immigrants, and focused on making Arizona great again.

you see, I try to write my opinion and I end up shitposting
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
I agree with everything you said. It would be great to see the NCR dissolve, and the cities become independent, the cattle barons have an internal crash etc.

But at the same time, the Legion can't sustain itself if it's in control of the West and East. I'd prefer if they built a big wall, to keep out the filthy NCR immigrants, and focused on making Arizona great again.

you see, I try to write my opinion and I end up shitposting
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I don't think that Legion territories have immigration-related problems. Although they just might if the NCR was to collapse. But what puts me off is that Legion isn't even close to badass enough to be put in the Donald's shoes. And you can't really make the Donald an actual in-game character, since his unstumpability would make the game terribly unbalanced, but I really shouldn't be giving Bethesda any ideas.

Maybe a Trump Card perk, which would be something akin to the mysterious stranger, but with extra damage to Mexicans.
 
NCR is boring, so obviously it must collapse. However, the Legion cannot keep both the west and east, meaning that it's left alone, with the threat of the Legion hanging over it's shoulders.
 
Dr Fallout said:
True, but once the hope of any other Fallout game dies... Jesus, where does that leave the NMA? The Order can sustain itself indefinitely with circle jerking and inside jokes but the NMA will adapt or perish.
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I guess one of the things I've always loved about the fallout fandom is that it's not just a fallout fandom, we also tend to like anything Obsidian and Inxille puts out.
Somewhere down the line, I can see this forum being more of a fan site for them than a fallout fan site.

The alternative is that we will always get new people.
And when we eventually move into different things, the fans of 3&4 will find this place and complain about 5 or 6, feeling nostalgic for the former games.

We will get some of those fans who enjoy the older games and the next thing we know, there's about three different kinds of fanbases for Fallout.

I highly doubt the future of NMA will be put into question.
 
Millim said:
I guess one of the things I've always loved about the fallout fandom is that it's not just a fallout fandom, we also tend to like anything Obsidian and Inxille puts out.
Somewhere down the line, I can see this forum being more of a fan site for them than a fallout fan site.

The alternative is that we will always get new people.
And when we eventually move into different things, the fans of 3&4 will find this place and complain about 5 or 6, feeling nostalgic for the former games.

We will get some of those fans who enjoy the older games and the next thing we know, there's about three different kinds of fanbases for Fallout.

I highly doubt the future of NMA will be put into question.
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Doesn't change anything. If we stop being a fallout fansite then the NMA, for all purposes, is dead.
 
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