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very selective reporting tbh. sure, europe and canada are better off than the USA in that area (healthcare), but everyone knew that already, right?

still, europe is far from being the holy grail.
 
SuAside said:
very selective reporting tbh. sure, europe and canada are better off than the USA in that area (healthcare), but everyone knew that already, right?

still, Europe is far from being the holy grail.

I don't believe his goal was to say Europe is the Holly Grail, just that its current health care plan and some of its ideals are much better than the US's. That over there it is WE the people, while in America its I, the individual, screw the rest.

You are incorrect when it comes to everyone knowing the situation in other countries (per my 1st post). Michael Moore's astonishment when he was learning about things like free health care and education is something many Americans can not even conceive. While in the theater murmurs swept across the primarily senior citizen crowd whom were their because this topic was of particular interest to them. They too found it hard to believe that in other countries health care and many forms of higher education were paid for.


I one day hope to achieve something better than a high school education. Unfortunately, I can not dream to be able to afford a higher education.

I hope that one day my mother and father (whom are among the middle class of America) can afford health insurance so they don't die at the early age of their 60's due to current medical conditions. Or perhaps one day you will be able to walk into a hospital and receive treatment for your injuries without having to wring your hands on if you can afford the medical treatment let alone the time spent away from work.

These are dreams that do not exist in America. Contrary to what others have stated in this thread, one whom can not pay for medical care CAN NOT receive it. I as well as many others that I know are in that situation and its not fair and its not right. We deserve better than than being kicked to the curb on a majority of things in America; and its going to take some serious effort given the corrupt administration currently in place.
 
U.S. Government has no money to provide healthcare for its citizens, but it has enough money for waging a war across the continent, for a nuclear arsenal sufficient to obliterate life on 10 Earth-sized planets and for anti-rocket shield etc. Talking about mixed up priorities.
 
Maphusio said:
I don't believe his goal was to say Europe is the Holly Grail, just that its current health care plan and some of its ideals are much better than the US's. That over there it is WE the people, while in America its I, the individual, screw the rest.
the problem is that he only highlights the good sides. the european system is flawed, but they didn't show any of it.
 
I don't - I'm overqualified. :lol:

Saving lives and improving life quality should take precedence over destroying lives, i.e. waging an aggressive war in another country. Prolonged offensive military operatons are great strain on any country's resources, that should be allocated differently.

Sun Tzu said:
When you engage in actual fighting, if victory
is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and
their ardor will be damped. If you lay siege to a town,
you will exhaust your strength.

Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources
of the State will not be equal to the strain.

Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor damped,
your strength exhausted and your treasure spent,
other chieftains will spring up to take advantage
of your extremity. Then no man, however wise,
will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue.

Thus, though we have heard of stupid haste in war,
cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.

There is no instance of a country having benefited
from prolonged warfare.

It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted
with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand
the profitable way of carrying it on.

The skillful soldier does not raise a second levy,
neither are his supply-wagons loaded more than twice.


Poverty of the State exchequer causes an army
to be maintained by contributions from a distance.
Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes
the people to be impoverished.

Old wisdom that has proven itself time and time again.

I live in a post-socialist country (Croatia) and I've had extensive experience with medical systems in many Western European countries and in the United States and I consider U.S. system the worst. USA is probably the only developed country in the world where a child can be denied proper healthcare due to insurance system. Medicine run by insurance companies is a disaster.
In my country, medical system was the only thing that functioned perfectly under state sponsorship during socialist regime. However, things are changing to worse, as politicians are trying to institute a system similar to the one in USA.

Now, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I don't really need to see it, as I have personal experience with the system (not as a patient, though). As for other Moore movies,they certainly are very good propaganda material, but cannot be considered documentaries, as they deal with emotions rather than with arguments.
 
janjetina said:
Saving lives and improving life quality should take precedence over destroying lives, i.e. waging an aggressive war in another country. Prolonged offensive military operatons are great strain on any country's resources, that should be allocated differently

Again your opinion.

janjetina said:
Old wisdom that has proven itself time and time again.

George Orwell said:
WAR IS PEACE
 
I don't want my taxes spent on nukes and wars and political correctness and campaign funding and retirement programs for congress and congressional dinner parties.

I doooo, on the other hand, want my taxes to give me the right to live through an illness and the right to a free education.

As a society, those things are what matter most.
Education and health.
I am pro-military, but it does not benefit anyone in this country to be at war.

I would rather fear terrorists than poverty.
 
Then run for office - though I wouldn't hold out much hope for a win.

I would rather fear terrorists than poverty.

And I would rather have the entire earth under US control than to watch something like this
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live on TV again.
 
Brother None said:
Heh. Americans are so funny, it's like doom scenario upon doom scenario with you people.

Hell, as long as Hillary Clinton doesn't win the next election, we should be okay. Otherwise, all blowjobs may be banned throughout the country.
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]And I would rather have the entire earth under US control than to watch something like this live on TV again.

Ahahaha, measured response much? Priceless :clap:
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]And I would rather have the entire earth under US control than to watch something like this

It was a tragedy, but letting it turn us into monsters is an even greater tragedy.



Oh, and I would run for office, but I am no match for our bipartisan system.

Republican and Democrat may be at each others throats, but they only do that when the other parties are crushed to prevent an interference with their own power grabs.

Also, I'm only 21 :P
 
xdarkyrex said:
haha, you really think that all our wars and government spending can stop another one of those?

I don't know if it's possible to stop another attack like that but I do know that it's worth it to try.
 
It's not an opinion, it's called having morals and appreciating life.

Guerrilla and terrorists cannot be beaten by conventional military operations. Why don't you look at recent historical lessons: 2nd world war (e.g. a victory of Tito's partisans over German and Italian forces and their serfs in former Yugoslavia), Korean war, Vietnam war, Iraq war. If anything, what seems like a victory after a standard military operation turns into prolonged defeat when territory needs to be defended against guerrilla attacks. When guerrilla tactics starts to target civilian population, that's called terrorism. Terrorist actions against the U.S. territory were caused by American military operations in the Middle East, and war in Iraq results in increased, rather than decreased terrorist activity.
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]
xdarkyrex said:
haha, you really think that all our wars and government spending can stop another one of those?

I don't know if it's possible to stop another attack like that but I do know that it's worth it to try.

I agree completely...

but I don't believe that our current direction is the right direction.
Maybe if we didn't support Israel so fervently we wouldn't have the had the problem in the first place, hmm?
 
Support for Isreal wasn't the breaking point, military presence in the Middle East (especially in the Saudi Arabia) was.
 
janjetina said:
Support for Isreal wasn't the breaking point, military presence in the Middle East (especially in the Saudi Arabia) was.

Was it?

Tell me, how many of you have ever read a full transcript of Osama Bin Laden's speeches? Do you know what he wants? Why he attacked the States?

Do you honestly believe he has a direct interest in islamising the Western world? He doesn't care.

He hates dictators. Say what you want about him, but the man hates the current bevy of corrupt, lazy, uncaring, unmuslim leaders of the Arabic world. So he's been attacking them for years. And one mode of attack is attacking the people that keep making sure that these people are in the position to lead, i.e. you.

It always surprised me how little people know of this, and how some actually think *increased* military presence is the answer for a problem caused by diplomatic corruption and upholding illegal dictatorships in the middle east (note that military presence wasn't the direct cause, either). Lazily toppling one dictator isn't going to change shit, especially not if the new government is just puppetmen.
 
xdarkyrex said:
Also, I'm only 21 :P

Never would have guessed...

I don't want my taxes spent on nukes and wars and political correctness and campaign funding and retirement programs for congress and congressional dinner parties.

How much have you been taxed in your life? Probably not enough to fill up GW's Navigator with premium unleaded.
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]
How much have you been taxed in your life? Probably not enough to fill up GW's Navigator with premium unleaded.

Give it time.



The point is that I stand by and love the ideals of this country, but god damn have they been twisted from their original meanings.

Maybe it'd do the rest of the Americans some good to stop thinking of "America VS the world" and starting thinking of "America + the world"
 
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