Stupid Watergate - or how to impeach Donald Trump.

If you narrow historical events down to a simple black and white scenario? Maybe. I guess I could see your points and how you come to the conclusion that this kind of expansionism is good or even necessary. I am not even blaming you for your attitude that you would rather want to see the United States as the global player than any other country. But I would say you have to look at each case individually and from the perspective of it's time. We live in 2020 and not 1920 for example. So I can not give you some generic answer here. But if we take the examples you named here, from the Byzantine Empire to European Colonialism. Have you ever heard the term Pax Romana? I quote :

The Pax Romana (Latin for "Roman Peace") is a roughly 200-year-long period in Roman history which is identified with increased and sustained inner hegemonial peace and stability (though not meaning without wars, expansion and revolts). It is traditionally dated as commencing from the accession of Caesar Augustus, founder of the Roman principate, in 27 BC and concluding in 180 AD with the death of Marcus Aurelius, the last of the "good emperors".[1] Since it was inaugurated by Augustus with the end of the Final War of the Roman Republic, it is sometimes called the Pax Augusta. During this period of approximately 207 years, the Roman Empire achieved its greatest territorial extent and its population reached a maximum of up to 70 million people – a third of the world’s population.[2] According to Cassius Dio, the dictatorial reign of Commodus, later followed by the Year of the Five Emperors and the crisis of the third century, marked the descent "from a kingdom of gold to one of iron and rust".[3]


It is a historical term for this kind of phase that you describe. Or so I would say. I quote :

Those who take their safe life in America, free from being picked on by other countries, free from sanctions and civil war, those who are spoiled, are often the most clueless and the most likely to be hippies. They have no idea that American hegemony has a big part to do with that. They would have less, as most countries not in the west have.

But here is the point. This term is kinda applied to several super-powers. Like Pax Britannica and yeah there is also Pax Americana. What it marks is a peak, a kind of end in stability. What I want to say here is it is a fact of history that no Empire, Super Power call it what ever you want will be on top for ever. What ever if that is a good or bad thing is up to debate. But it is a fact of live if you so want. And nothing you do can change it you can maybe slow down the decline but it happens nonetheless. Maybe what we experience right now is simply a decline of the United States at least in foreign policy, influence and power since the United States has focused to much on the outside and not enough on the inside spending more and more resources here. In fact one could even make the argument many of the military interventions of the recent decades have been used to distract from inner political problems like a crumbling infrastructure, declining education, growing income inequality, drop in public health like the ongoing opioid endemic and so on. However nothing works for ever. And the US is today politically more divided than ever. I am not saying the US is going into a civil war any time soon or it will give up all their military bases completely. But the similarities between the Roman Empire and the United States today are quite striking in some more abstract comparison right before the Roman Empire started to lost its grasp and started to decline. Maybe you will now see a lot more turmoil within the United States. We have to wait and see I guess. I think Chinese business man Jack Ma makes a good point here :



"Where did the money go?" Is a very good question here.
 
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There is one glaring difference though.

Rome fell because of endless civil wars and infighting. We may be divided in opinion or politically but going into a succession of civil wars seems highly unlikely. No matter what the nay sayers bring up, life is good here. We are a nation of laws, not a bunch of savages where families murder other families for power. Our military doesn't assassinate leaders they do not like. Many things that went wrong for Rome we have avoided.

Did you ever think that these endless wars may serve an ulterior motive? While I would hope it isn't the sole reason, this fighting keeps our military sharp.

Managing multiple hotspots around the globe effectively is a skill every hegemon needs.
 
There is one glaring difference though.

Rome fell because of endless civil wars and infighting.
There are, as I said many differences and why one shouldn't just compare it directly. But It doesn't have to become that drastic for a decline to take place where it ends up in a civil war or the Goals taking over Washington. I am just saying maybe what we experienced in the last few decades was the absolute maximum of US influence with the end of WW2 and since the let us say late 1990s we experience a steady but slow decline. I mean do you honestly believe the US will stay a super power for all eternity or something? Or even the only super power? That's my point.

Our military doesn't assassinate leaders they do not like.
Yeeah about that one ...



Funny enough this decision by Trump could also be an impeachable offense if it turns out that he made a decisions where he had to actually consult the congress or at the very least inform them before hand. In particular if the Soleimani Assassination is interpreted as an act of aggression and thus an act of war. Something that only the congress can actually decide.

But, I am not a legal scholar on those things nor a congress man/women.
 
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Funny enough this decision by Trump could also be an impeachable offense if it turns out that he made a decisions where he had to actually consult the congress or at the very least inform them before hand.
That is what happens you when listen to MSNBC.

The executive branch has a lot of leeway with how it can use its military powers nor does it need to ask the congressional branch for permission to use them. At most not telling congress about something like that can look like a jerk move, something I suspect the current administration is totally fine with.
 
Crni

I was talking about OUR leaders. OUR military does not kill its own leaders.

I think Americas place on the world stage is directly tied to our willingness to be stay on top.

Again, Rome caved in on itself. The main problem was civil war and incompetent leaders in a system that gave that sole leader ultimate power. Infighting and inept management caused the downfall of the empire, not so much outside forces.
 
It depends on what you define as extreme?

If you speak of superpower status, it really is a no brainer. Of course one will fail if one absolutely stops trying.
 
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Funny enough this decision by Trump could also be an impeachable offense if it turns out that he made a decisions where he had to actually consult the congress or at the very least inform them before hand. In particular if the Soleimani Assassination is interpreted as an act of aggression and thus an act of war. Something that only the congress can actually decide.

But, I am not a legal scholar on those things nor a congress man/women.

Uugghh Trump impeachment again... you do know that the laws surrounding impeachment are so loose that somebody can be impeached in congress for anything that congress thinks is impeachable?

 
What I see is that any kind of checks and balances particularly regarding military actions seem to be given up very readily and easily by some here. Which find worry some. We're not talking about a president lying about getting his cock sucked by an intern here. But decisions that actually can lead to the deaths of someone.

What about idea of holding those in power accountable? Or holding up the constitution? Power to the people anyone?

But again, I am the crazy leftist idiot here I assume who wants a socialist dictatorship established ...

 
What I see is that any kind of checks and balances particularly regarding military actions seem to be given up very readily and easily by some here. Which find worry some. We're not talking about a president lying about getting his cock sucked by an intern here. But decisions that actually can lead to the deaths of someone.

What about idea of holding those in power accountable? Or holding up the constitution? Power to the people anyone?

But again, I am the crazy leftist idiot here I assume who wants a socialist dictatorship established ...



No but it is very easy when you are not the one making the decisions to look at them and go they are bad decisions. I fully think the US should have killed that guy a lot sooner as he is responsible for ordering tons of terrorist attacks against them, and in general doing more to destabilize the middle east then the US. Hmmm, why is a large portion of the Iraqi military made up of terrorist militias? Oh yeah this guy convinced them to become terrorist militias who do not listen to there central government. Your ideas of appeasement for these kind of people have never worked throughout history. Just go look up Neville Chamberlin. Would have been a lot easier to deal with the Nazi's in 1938 than giving them another year to prepare for the worst.
 
But again, I am the crazy leftist idiot here I assume who wants a socialist dictatorship established ...[

You're the only one here who's made a thread titled "Why don't we just have a communist society"
 
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Ah, but that's communism. Not socialism. You see, communism hasn't been tried yet, and if we just continue printing money use more automation this time, we won't run out of other people's money again can totally create a stable world!
 
No but it is very easy when you are not the one making the decisions to look at them and go they are bad decisions.
No shit. And with every passing day it becomes more and more clear that Trump is simply not fit to be President. He's firing one rational advisor after another and surrounding himself with yes-man and hardliners. And I am not even saying that he's a lunatic or something. I simply think that he's completely overchallenged. He should be removed because at this point I think even Mike Pence is better.

I fully think the US should have killed that guy a lot sooner as he is responsible for ordering tons of terrorist attacks against them, and in general doing more to destabilize the middle east then the US.
Maybe. Maybe not. Bush hasn't killed him. Obama hasn't killed. Israel hasn't killed him. Saudi Arabia hasn't killed him. Is that a good decisions? I do not know. But it does seem that many many people shied away from it. And I assume people that are a lot more intelligent than me. The really great luck here is that apparently inside the Iranian government there seem still to be a few people with a rational mind which decided not to kill US Soldiers and to completely escalate this situation further. Killing one of the top members of the Iranian government who might have actually even been on an official visit in Irak could be seen as an act of aggression. And those kind of actions are, for a reason, left to congress and not the president of the united states. I am sorry that you hate this "OMG Trump impeached AGAIN!" but it simply put a fact that that this guy simply has no regards for rule of law or any kind of regularity. He never had when you look at his whole history as a business man. But what ever he was as real estate mogul that's simply not how you should run a country. And this has nothing to do with him being a Republican - which he in my opinion actually isn't. Again. At this point I would rather see Mike Pence having a second term than Trump continuing to sit in office. As much as a hard liner Pence is. But I doubt he would be that stupid. He is at the end of the day, a real Republican.

Hmmm, why is a large portion of the Iraqi military made up of terrorist militias? Oh yeah this guy convinced them to become terrorist militias who do not listen to there central government.
He has also worked extensively with the US in the past as well. And why Iraq such a mess? Well I don't know. Maybe you should ask the people which made the decision to invade it based on a completely fabricated lie. You shouldn't even be there in the first place. Plane and simple.

Your ideas of appeasement for these kind of people have never worked throughout history. Just go look up Neville Chamberlin. Would have been a lot easier to deal with the Nazi's in 1938 than giving them another year to prepare for the worst.

Reductio ad hitlerum. If everyone is Hitler then obviously you have always to act I guess. I swear ... how often do I have to continue to hear this line in my life to justify all those military interventions? Yugoslavia, Irak, Lebanon, Axis of Evil, everyone is Hitler. No even worse than Hitler. You know what Serbians say? The world is a stage. The actors change. But the play stays the same. America spreading democracy where ever they go.

I guess this is very easy when you are not the one making suffering from the decisions to look at them and go they are bad good decisions.

Sometimes I wonder how things would have been if the US would had to deal with all the refugees form the middle east by all those countless conflicts down there. And for the record no I am not solely blaming the United States for everything that's happening down there.
 
Right, if it's communism, it's never done right and needs to be tried again

If it's capitalism, of course it failed it's a trash fire.

Almost forgot my Reddiquite there.

Hold the fuck up Crni. You actually think Mike Pence is better than Trump? Are you kidding me? Mike "Shock the gay away" Pence?
 
No, I'm here to be bewildered by everything you say

And get called a faggot for playing more Oblivion than most people drink water


And waiting to enlighten you guys on how many calories a gram of Uranium-235 has
 
I edited my post. There is a link to the full interview on Youtube. To say the least. This is really worry some. It's coming from a Republican Senator by the way.
 
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