The Guns and Ammo Thread

The P90 is pretty useless in semi auto, if you ask me. But if that's what floats your boat, go ahead.

As for the Para-Ord TTR (the Para-Ord rebranded ZM LR300), well, ParaOrd is stopping distribution aren't they? It's interesting design and all, it also creates a few new problems, sadly.
DammitBoy said:
@suaside - is there a grandfather clause or is everything on the list now illegal?
Ownership yes but not use in the current draft.

Cool about Angelina. Dunno if I'd be able to say two words to her without drooling.
I'm not a fan of that type of twinked racegun though.
 
It's nothing like a racegun suaside. Merely having a recoil compensator and a skeletonized hammer doesn't make a pistol a race gun. :| Race guns have electronic sights, barricade shrouds, moving target scope mounts, grip extensions, oversized mag release buttons, ported slides, weighted barrel extensions, and are generally chambered in .38 Super.

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Now, those are race guns.

Twinked? Really? Stainless steel with some nice exotic grips is twinked out how? lol
 
So compensated barrel extension, extended magazine, added finger groove, lightened trigger, skeletonized hammer, enlarged beaver tail, slightly extended and widened magazine well, extended slide release, extended safety,... doesn't qualify it as a race gun?

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Gee, I wonder what makes it twinked compared to this:

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SuAside said:
So compensated barrel extension, extended magazine, added finger groove, lightened trigger, skeletonized hammer, enlarged beaver tail, slightly extended and widened magazine well, extended slide release, extended safety,... doesn't qualify it as a race gun?

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First, not a pic of my gun. Wtf? Kinda kills your whole argument, since you can't even post a pic of my gun to debate your silly claim. lol

Second, there is no barrel extension - just a recoil compensator. The barrel is still the standard five inch barrel found on most 1911's.

Third, my gun has no extended magazine.

Fourth, the finger groove is not added. It is part of the matchmaster design. Where in the description/definition of 'Race Gun' do you find mention of finger grooves?

Fifth, my gun has the factory trigger (so far).

Sixth, where in the definition of 'Race Gun' do you find mention of enlarged beavertails? Mine came stock on my matchmaster.

Seventh, race guns have huge extended and widened magazine wells, as evidenced by the pics I posted of actual race guns. My gun does not.

Eighth, the slide release on my gun is standard to the matchmaster.

Ninth, the safety on my gun is standard to the matchmaster. Further, every race gun I ever saw had ambi safety releases. Mine does not.

Tenth, most race guns are hi-capacity polymer frames that carry 12-16 rounds in their double-stack magazines. My pistol is a standard single-stack .45 that carries eight rounds.

Eleventh, my firearm has iron sights, not electronic sights. Almost all race guns have electronic sights.

So no, my gun in no way shape or form qualifies as a race gun, although it does have a lot of very standard features found on almost all new 1911's.

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I've included a pic of my gun, since you obviously are confused as to which gun is mine.

Here's a definition of what a race gun is to help you be less confused in the future:

A racegun is a type of handgun that has been modified for accuracy, speed, and reliability. Used primarily in NRA Action Pistol (The Bianchi Cup), USPSA/IPSC and similar styles of competition, raceguns are typically based on common guns and modified to function the best within a certain set of rules, such as weight, size, and capacity requirements.

Typical modifications include a match-grade barrel fitted with a recoil compensator, electronic optical sights, match-grade hammer and sear, a tuned trigger, and "skeletonizing" (cutouts to reduce weight), a "barricade shroud" that completely encircles the slide with "wings" attached to opposing sides, a "moving target scope mount" with a pivoting base adjustable for predetermined lead depending on the bullet's velocity and speed and direction of the moving target, and a form of grip extension that that enables better target acquisition.

You'll kindly note that my firearm does not have even half of the modifications mentioned.

Please provide a link to any definition of race guns that mention things like finger grooves, enlarged beaver tails, and extended magazines. Thanks! :wink:
 
clercqer said:
Call it a "racegun" or not, the original as in Sua's pic appeals more to me than the modified ones.

Let's say 'not' regardless of which one appeals to you more. We could call it a banana, but that would be no more accurate than Sua's silly assertion that it is a race gun.

I built the gun for me and I'm the only person that it needs to appeal to. I'm not concerned with whether someone likes my style or not, but calling it a race gun is incorrect.

Guys who run and build race guns would laugh their asses off if I tried to present my matchmaster as a race gun.
 
DammitBoy said:
First, not a pic of my gun. Wtf? Kinda kills your whole argument, since you can't even post a pic of my gun to debate your silly claim. lol
You were talking about your gun and the Wanted gun used by Angelina. She said she loved hers and wanted it (no pun intended). I call it a race gun & say I don't like that.

I repost the Wanted gun in my explanation. Gee, I wonder which gun I'm talking about, you egocentrist dimwit.

DammitBoy said:
Here's a definition of what a race gun is to help you be less confused in the future:

A racegun is a type of handgun that has been modified for accuracy, speed, and reliability. Used primarily in NRA Action Pistol (The Bianchi Cup), USPSA/IPSC and similar styles of competition, raceguns are typically based on common guns and modified to function the best within a certain set of rules, such as weight, size, and capacity requirements.

Typical modifications include a match-grade barrel fitted with a recoil compensator, electronic optical sights, match-grade hammer and sear, a tuned trigger, and "skeletonizing" (cutouts to reduce weight), a "barricade shroud" that completely encircles the slide with "wings" attached to opposing sides, a "moving target scope mount" with a pivoting base adjustable for predetermined lead depending on the bullet's velocity and speed and direction of the moving target, and a form of grip extension that that enables better target acquisition.

You'll kindly note that my firearm does not have even half of the modifications mentioned.

Please provide a link to any definition of race guns that mention things like finger grooves, enlarged beaver tails, and extended magazines. Thanks! :wink:
What part of "typical" don't you understand?

And are you really going to claim that 1911 race guns generally have the 1911 or 1911 A1 beaver tail size? Or that they don't use extended magazines other than the standard 7 rounders?

WTF are you smoking?
 
SuAside said:
What part of "typical" don't you understand?

And are you really going to claim that 1911 race guns generally have the 1911 or 1911 A1 beaver tail size? Or that they don't use extended magazines other than the standard 7 rounders?

I understand typical just fine. As in it is typical for most 1911's to have the A1 beavertail these days.

No, raceguns do not have extended magazines. They have staggered higher capacity double-stack magazines, that do not extend.

Unlike the matchmaster, which is a single stack magazine.

Thanks for playing. :wink:
 
So, on a different note...

Hopefully I will soon have a bit of extra dough to blow on a handgun to go to the range with an ex-Navy friend of mine once in a while. This will be my first gun, and I'm looking to stick to probably a 9mm for cheap ammo and easy handling. The guns I've been looking at are:

Beretta PX4
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FN FNP
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Glock 19
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Sig SP2022
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Any opinions? Are there any other guns I should be looking at? I'm looking to stay in the $500, maybe $600 price range, and it has to have 10rd mags available since I'm in California.
 
CZ75b for hammer fired or PPQ for striker fired. Both are going to be under $530, and both trump the shit out of every gun up there (The PX4 comes close, but Berretta is a scumbag manufacturer).

Go to a range and rent both.
 
Kyuu said:
So, on a different note...

Any opinions? Are there any other guns I should be looking at?

Go to a gun range where you can rent three or four different types of pistols you are interested in and try them out. See what feels good, see which suits you best.

Ask to shoot you buddies pistols, see if what he likes, you like.
 
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude said:
CZ75b for hammer fired or PPQ for striker fired. Both are going to be under $530, and both trump the shit out of every gun up there[...]
Hm, never heard of CZ before. Looks like a decent gun, but what makes it better than the FNP, Sig, or Glock? Walther looks alright, but for some reason Walthers just don't appeal to me.

Also, you're talking to a noob here. I'm not sure what the practical difference(s) between hammer-fired and striker-fired are, or why I would prefer one over the other.
(The PX4 comes close, but Berretta is a scumbag manufacturer).
In what way?
Go to a range and rent both.
Only have one range large enough to carry a really wide selection of guns to rent, and their service blows. No way am I doing a membership there. I guess I can suck it up and just do a one-day pass or whatever. Surprisingly enough they have the CZ, as well as the FNP, Glock (of course), and Sig. They don't have the Walther, though.
DammitBoy said:
Go to a gun range where you can rent three or four different types of pistols you are interested in and try them out.
Yeah, that's of course the best way to go, but I was just seeing what opinions the veterans had here so I could have a little better idea what I'm looking at when I go in rather than being clueless. Plus suggestions on any models I may have overlooked, such as that CZ Phil recommended.
Ask to shoot you buddies pistols, see if what he likes, you like.
He's actually looking to buy his first gun as well. He only got out of the Navy recently and only fired his issued weapons. So he'll be able to teach me some things about shooting, but he doesn't have any experience in the civilian gun market as of yet.
TheWesDude said:
get the sig sp2022
Yeah, the Sig looks nice, although my friend was really interested in it so he may get it. If so, I'd get something different since then I could just shoot his. :P
 
Kyuu said:
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude said:
CZ75b for hammer fired or PPQ for striker fired. Both are going to be under $530, and both trump the shit out of every gun up there[...]
Hm, never heard of CZ before. Looks like a decent gun, but what makes it better than the FNP, Sig, or Glock? Walther looks alright, but for some reason Walthers just don't appeal to me.

The CZ-75 was the first of the readily available wonder nines...(there were some Smith and wessons but they were more expensive). the CZ-75 is/was a double action double stack 9mm that was priced pretty well. It also had the appeal of coming from a communist country, but was imported into the WEST.

The CZ-75 draws heavily from the Browing Hi-Power, but has a double action trigger. It has been heavily copied/pirated over the last 40 years.

As for new gun owners, the CZ-75 or any hammer fired double action may have some advantages. You can easily see if it is cocked (hard or impossible to tell in striker fired) and you can leave it loaded with the hammer down but cock and fire it with just the trigger. Not possible with the glock.

As for glocks, you can get a police trade in really cheap ($399 for some of them... +$20 for really good condition... probably owned by non beat cops who rarely used/qualified with them).

Every police trade in I have seen recently looked almost new (aside from some holster wear). Cops dont tend to shoot their duty guns much.

Century Arms is selling Arsenal made (bulgarian) double action Hi-Power clones (called ARCUS-98) for around $300. you can find them from other distributors as well...

if you want to go with single action pistols, I have seen some Taurus 1911s recently that were pretty well priced ($399). If you want cheap... they made a bunch in .38 super but put gold bling on them so they practically could not give them away... they got remaindered pretty quickly. I might get one and de-Bling it. Or just use the hell out of it until the bling comes off and then have it refinished.
Question--- how hard is it to convert one from .38 super to .45? I dont know if the mag well is wide enough. If so, getting a new slide, barrel, and mag would do it... right?

WPD
 
DammitBoy said:
No, raceguns do not have extended magazines. They have staggered higher capacity double-stack magazines, that do not extend.

Unlike the matchmaster, which is a single stack magazine.

Thanks for playing. :wink:
Gee, because IPSC Open class race guns never have double stacked magazines extending even past the funnel?

You know, you might want to take a stroll over to the STI site for instance. You know, the most known brand of race guns in IPSC & USPSA?

Stop being so goddamn anal all the time, DammitBoy.
 
he does have a point about long double stack 1911 mags... STI and others make them (Wolf did at one point)....

But Dammitboy is right... his Safari arms pistol is not a racegun.

Lets end this argument and talk about something else already.
 
As a side note... I just stuck a hi-viz fiber optic sight on my Ruger MkII. I highly recommend these sights. They are really helpful for aiming, especially at black paper targets.

at $20 for the new base and 6 inserts (3 yellow/green and 3 red) they are pretty reasonable too.

I accidentally ordered one for a ruger LCR revolver... So I might just have to get one of those in .357 as well.
 
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