The Guns and Ammo Thread

[SuAside]

why the hell would you like hang fires? that's kinda dangerous, ye know...

you havent been using afghani .303 British ammo, have you?

 

[fallout ranger]

Hangfires? Nah, not too dangerous. But when you don't get your bullet/charge fully seated it creates TEH AIR POCKET that can potentially cause a gun to grenade.

 

[SuAside]

i meant dangerous in general. you do not want to have a nooby shooter shoot with munition that might hangfire.

a seasoned and disciplined shooter wont do anything bad, but someone that lacks discipline or is unprepared for it might do something stupid.

 

[Mura]

Am thinking of getting a HK SL8 and getting it converted into a HK SL8 DK Commando chambered in 6,8 SPC, altough it's still a little while till I can, thanks to german gunlaws. :<

I'd post a pic of one, but the only one I have is a scan from a gunmagazine I bought and I dunno if I'm allowed to.

 

[Von_Jugo]

Does anyone here like black powder?

My next gun is going to be a smoothbore muskeet ... After I discovered that semi-auto large caliber rifles are banned in my country (Dragunovs and AKs are sold with the gas piston disabled)

Actually, I own a SigSauer P225, a shitty .38spl revolver (FAMAE), and a Walther G-22

 

[Seeks]

i dont like the slide on a CZ75, but other than that, they are very good weapons for their price (in europe at least)

Yeah, I'm not a fan myself, but one rarely hears bad things about CZs. They're also decently priced, and probably one of the most copied guns around. So I guess they'd be a good choice.

They don't really do anything for me, though. In the pants.

 

[Mura]

[...]They're also decently priced, and probably one of the most copied guns around.[...]

Isn't the CZ 75 a FN Highpower-copy?

 

[A.S.S.R.]

Thanks for all the helpful advice - I'll consider it all accordingly. Gun-aficionados seem to have the most balanced, informative and respectful online discussions.

Due to potential financial setbacks and a lack of free time, I'll most likely delay any purchases until after the new year (and will keep all of you on the interweb posted on the details).

- A.S.S.R.

 

[Ah-Teen]

Sarcasm people, sarcasm. Hangfires are bad things.

 

[SuAside]

Am thinking of getting a HK SL8 and getting it converted into a HK SL8 DK Commando chambered in 6,8 SPC, altough it's still a little while till I can, thanks to german gunlaws. :<

going to 6.8SPC really has no use whatsoever if you're just targetshooting, Mura.
not to mention the ammo is harder to get and quite expensive. you'll practically be forced to start reloading.
(besides, 6.5 Grendel is better. )

personally i find the SL8 overpriced, but hey, it's your money.

Isn't the CZ 75 a FN Highpower-copy?

while the outside is rather similar overall (though i prefer the HP/GP), it is not in any way a copy when it comes to internals.

 

[Mura]

Am thinking of getting a HK SL8 and getting it converted into a HK SL8 DK Commando chambered in 6,8 SPC, altough it's still a little while till I can, thanks to german gunlaws. :<

going to 6.8SPC really has no use whatsoever if you're just targetshooting, Mura.

Tbh, I want it because it's not your regular everyday 5,56, I like the look of the conversion alot and the better ballistics of the 6,8 compared to the 5,56.

not to mention the ammo is harder to get and quite expensive. you'll practically be forced to start reloading.

I was thinking of doing reloading ammo myself anyway, so that wouldn't be a problem.

(besides, 6.5 Grendel is better. )

I know the 6,5 is better, but good luck getting one of those in germany.

Edit: Just checked the specs of the 6,5 again, and even if they would allow it in germany the chances of getting one is slim to none for me because only collectors or hunters would be allowed to have that kind of calibre.

Goddamn 40mm length rule.

personally i find the SL8 overpriced, but hey, it's your money.

I don't think it's that expensive, aprox. 1600 € ain't that bad IMO.

And my point of view is that I won't mind spending some more for a hobby I like doing.

Isn't the CZ 75 a FN Highpower-copy?

while the outside is rather similar overall (though i prefer the HP/GP), it is not in any way a copy when it comes to internals.

Thanks for the info, found that out when I checked into it myself
Heh, you never stop learning something new.

 

[OgamiItto]

I would get a 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel if I reloaded, but I don't. Plus chances are I will only be shooting out to 300 yards or so, in which case the 5.56 does a fine job. If I ever decide to reload I'm getting a 16" barreled 6.5 Grendel though. I am saving up for an LMT upper and an ACOG now.

I am hoping Knights Armament starts to pay attention to the civilian market, in which case I want this:

Oh yeah..... Fuck HK!

 

[Seeks]

From what I understand, the 6.8 and 5.56 have trajectories similar enough that any minute differences can be all but entirely dismissed.

Meaning if you're just killing paper, the 5.56 works almost exactly the same as a 6.8.

Terminal ballistics are a different matter.


As for the 6.5 > 6.8 bullshit... mmmm depends. If you're looking for a bullet that's still almost as good at 700 yards as it is at 350 or 400, then the Grendel's what you want.

The 6.8 was developed by people who tried all sorts of different calibers for their "need," including the 6.5 Grendel, and didn't find what they wanted in any of them.

Namely, a round that's near-identical to the 5.56 as far as length goes (lessens the amount of shit you have to replace), good terminal ballistics up to 300-500 yards, hi-capacity (negligible difference here), blah blah blah.

I'm not saying the 6.5 isn't a good round, but for most civilian use, the 6.8 fits the niche a little better. Everything's a compromise with guns, after all. And there's more to determining lethality than just bullet weight and velocity, otherwise we'd all be using FMJ .44 magnums.

Of course, there's a relatively small difference in lethality, which is where the other factors come into play. Not the least of which is, from what I hear, Bill Alexander being a dick when it comes to other people chambering "his" caliber.

Anyway, back on topic... SuAside's right about the CZ vs. HP comparison. HPs are nice, but I'd take a CZ-75 or CZ-S101 (or whatever it's called) over a Hi-Power any day.


Edit: Oh, and what do you mean by 40mm length restriction? Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but the 5.56 is 45mm long and the 6.8 is 43mm long, if I recall correctly.

 

[fallout ranger]

My next gun is going to be a smoothbore muskeet

Note to all: smoothbore muskets are not worth the money and are not very fun to shoot. Get a hawken instead.



I'm in the process of converting my 98k to 338 win mag.

 

[SuAside]

As for the 6.5 > 6.8 bullshit... mmmm depends. If you're looking for a bullet that's still almost as good at 700 yards as it is at 350 or 400, then the Grendel's what you want.

which is why it's more suited for a civilian too. good at all sorts of ranges. we dont have any 500m & 1000m ranges, but the swiss do and i assume the germans too.

The 6.8 was developed by people who tried all sorts of different calibers for their "need," including the 6.5 Grendel, and didn't find what they wanted in any of them.

not really. it isnt that clearcut (conflict of interest etc). but lets not get into that, too complicated.

I'm not saying the 6.5 isn't a good round, but for most civilian use, the 6.8 fits the niche a little better. Everything's a compromise with guns, after all. And there's more to determining lethality than just bullet weight and velocity, otherwise we'd all be using FMJ .44 magnums.

euhm, did you typo there?

because 6.5 Grendel is far superior for a civilian to use than a 6.8SPC. (due to range capabilities, which matter a lot less to soldiers appearantly since they're doing FIBUA mostly nowadays)

still, i think it's silly. a slightly modified 6.5 Grendel could be used in assault rifles, in squad support weapons, in DMRs and replace 7.62x51mm GPMG's. this would make things a lot easier logistically. and you wouldnt need a 5.56mm SAW and a 7.62mm GPMG, they could be both replaced by a single weapon.

Anyway, back on topic... SuAside's right about the CZ vs. HP comparison. HPs are nice, but I'd take a CZ-75 or CZ-S101 (or whatever it's called) over a Hi-Power any day.

the true power of a Hi-Power is the durability and the fact that it'll bite through any ammo there is (32lbs hammerspring). even the toughest surplus primers... (which cant be said of some other guns: glocks come to mind, though many others as well)

I'm in the process of converting my 98k to 338 win mag.

dude... wtf... just get a .338 rifle? dont mess up a perfectly good 98k. what use is that?

 

[fallout ranger]

Cheap, that's what.


I found a typo in the FO3 demo review. It read:

"5.56x45"

Did you mean 5.45x39 or what?

 

[SuAside]

5.56x45mm aka 5.56 NATO.
5.45x39mm is the russian chambering.
5.8x42mm is the chinese chambering.

the ammunition in the demo was .22 for the hunting rifle (though i didnt get to see the bullets in the demo, so i cant say if it was .22LR or not) and 5.56mm for the 'chinese' assault rifle.

not a typo.

PS: i'd have prefered that they'd stayed away from real ammo. they shouldve kept the 5mm etc.

 

[fallout ranger]

I could've sworn .223 was longer than that, but I was wrong. Oops.

There is also 5.56x39, which is cool.


5.8x42?


My next gun will probably be a Navy revolver, or a martini I'm working on.

 

[SuAside]

There is also 5.56x39, which is cool.

yes, but that's not a standard calibre, and certainly not a standard army calibre.

i dont see its use anyway.

 

[fallout ranger]

It trades less velocity for slightly more retained energy than the 5.45.