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Ehh fuck. I ment yards.
Whatever.
Whatever.
The Guns and Ammo Thread
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fallout ranger
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Still, that round's going to be worthless at that range.
If I am going to be doing long range action this is my weapon of choice. And yes, I have used it. 
Caliber: .50 BMG (12.7 x 99mm)
Operation: Short Recoil, Semi-Automatic
Overall Length: 1448 mm
Barrel Length: 737 mm
Feed Device: 10 Round Detachable Box Magazine
Sights: 10 or 20X Telescopic
Weight: 12.9 kg empty
Muzzle Velocity: 854 m/s (M33 Ball)
Max Effective Range: 2000 meters
Expected accuracy: 1.5 - 2.0 MOA or better
Then if I have to do close up work, this would be my preferred weapn. Preferibly the 1928 version with a Cutts Compensator. With the Cutts you could rip off a full drum mag of 50 rounds and have less than half an inch of muzzle climb. I know its an old weapon, but old doth not mean no good.
Length: 2 ft. 9½ ins.
Weight: 10 lb. 12 ozs.
Barrel: 10½ ins.
Calibre: .45 in. ACP (Auto Colt Pistol)
Operation: Projection of spent case (blow back)
Type of fire: single shot, full auto
Feed: magazine, 20 round box, 30 round box, 50 round drum
Rate of fire: 600 - 700 r.p.m.
Range of sights: 0 to 600 yds.
Cheers, Thorgrimm
Caliber: .50 BMG (12.7 x 99mm)
Operation: Short Recoil, Semi-Automatic
Overall Length: 1448 mm
Barrel Length: 737 mm
Feed Device: 10 Round Detachable Box Magazine
Sights: 10 or 20X Telescopic
Weight: 12.9 kg empty
Muzzle Velocity: 854 m/s (M33 Ball)
Max Effective Range: 2000 meters
Expected accuracy: 1.5 - 2.0 MOA or better
Then if I have to do close up work, this would be my preferred weapn. Preferibly the 1928 version with a Cutts Compensator. With the Cutts you could rip off a full drum mag of 50 rounds and have less than half an inch of muzzle climb. I know its an old weapon, but old doth not mean no good.
Length: 2 ft. 9½ ins.
Weight: 10 lb. 12 ozs.
Barrel: 10½ ins.
Calibre: .45 in. ACP (Auto Colt Pistol)
Operation: Projection of spent case (blow back)
Type of fire: single shot, full auto
Feed: magazine, 20 round box, 30 round box, 50 round drum
Rate of fire: 600 - 700 r.p.m.
Range of sights: 0 to 600 yds.
Cheers, Thorgrimm
Dopemine Cleric said:
1 yard = 0.9144 meters
I'll just read it as feet and be done with it.
In other news, my local gun mecha is allowing me to pull apart every gun in the store(so long as I put it all back together) and draw the innards. This makes me happy. ^,,^
I really don't have the opportunity to tear down a lot of guns, so I officially think that this particular store is BAD ASS!
Thorgrimm said:Then if I have to do close up work, this would be my preferred weapn. Preferibly the 1928 version with a Cutts Compensator. With the Cutts you could rip off a full drum mag of 50 rounds and have less than half an inch of muzzle climb. I know its an old weapon, but old doth not mean no good.
Length: 2 ft. 9½ ins.
Weight: 10 lb. 12 ozs.
Barrel: 10½ ins.
Calibre: .45 in. ACP (Auto Colt Pistol)
Operation: Projection of spent case (blow back)
Type of fire: single shot, full auto
Feed: magazine, 20 round box, 30 round box, 50 round drum
Rate of fire: 600 - 700 r.p.m.
Range of sights: 0 to 600 yds.
Cheers, Thorgrimm
I have an airsoft gun built by that company. Damn good replica too. I wish I had 800 to buy a real one.
Ah-Teen said:Thorgrimm said:Then if I have to do close up work, this would be my preferred weapn. Preferibly the 1928 version with a Cutts Compensator. With the Cutts you could rip off a full drum mag of 50 rounds and have less than half an inch of muzzle climb. I know its an old weapon, but old doth not mean no good.
Length: 2 ft. 9½ ins.
Weight: 10 lb. 12 ozs.
Barrel: 10½ ins.
Calibre: .45 in. ACP (Auto Colt Pistol)
Operation: Projection of spent case (blow back)
Type of fire: single shot, full auto
Feed: magazine, 20 round box, 30 round box, 50 round drum
Rate of fire: 600 - 700 r.p.m.
Range of sights: 0 to 600 yds.
Cheers, Thorgrimm
I have an airsoft gun built by that company. Damn good replica too. I wish I had 800 to buy a real one.
I have the top model, the deluxe, semi-auto and it does NOT weigh 10 pounds, more like 16, unloaded. Add 50 rounds of the .45 acp and the gun is so damn heavy I doubt there would be much barrel climb on a burst model.
I tire out way before I get all 50 rounds off.
As a side note the gun is more like $1,600 than $800.
How on Earth can a 66.6% increase in capacisty can increase the weight by 120%?
Mikael Grizzly said:
Stick mag's nothing but a bit of sheet metal and spring, and doesn't waste a whole lot of volume to enclose the mag. Drum uses up a lot more sheet metal and doesn't make very good use of space. Part of it was the spring technology of the time. Bulky, and in general, unreliable. This is a comment from first-hand experience. I don't know how much each actually weighs, but I do recall the drum mag being heavy as hell.
I've shot the full auto Thompson numerous times, and it does have very little muzzle climb, and is quite comfortable to shoot full auto. .45 ACP is a low pressure round to begin with, and the Tommy weighs a ton, so it soaks up recoil like nobody's business. A lot of folks have them for fun, but I rarely see them in sub-gun comp because the Uzi and Mac are much more versatile in .45 ACP.
Edit: Here's a picture of my nephew rocking my buddy's Barret on his 17th birthday -
There are other things I want more for $7500, but the Barret is certainly a unique weapon.
or vice versa.JohnnyEgo said:
seems like a short barreled version (in terms of 50 cal) unless my eyes are deceiving me, so that rifle must be rocking your nephew quite a bit
we belgistanis barely ever shoot .50 cal, mostly because of the old gunlaws which didnt allow it (on our soil, so some went to shoot in other countries) and because our longest civilian range is like 300m. anything further than that is military only.
we'd probably have to drive to Switzerland for decent ranges for this type of weapon.
for that kind of money, i'd be more inclined to go with the versability of a DSR-1+good optic, than for thatoneJohnnyEgo said:
EDIT: say, Johnny, amongt the pictures on your site i saw a Beretta 87 Target. i'm considering one, but i feel it's a bit expensive compared to other .22LR weapons. what's your take on it?
SuAside said:
Yeah, it's the "CQB" version with the shorter barrel. It chops off a lot of weight, but it's still a heavy SOB. Of all things ".50", my nephew definitely preferred the Desert Eagle to the Barret
Regarding the 87T -
First, I should tell you that I am not a huge .22 pistol fan. This is actually the third or fourth .22 pistol that I've owned, the others including the Buckmark and the Ciener 1911 conversion.
What I like about the Beretta is that it's geometry fairly closely follows the 1911 in terms of ergonomics. It's a natural pointer and very comfortable.
What I don't care for is that the slide can be a little hard to rack, particularly for women and children. Also, for my particular style of shooting, the front sight blade is too narrow. If you are into match grade accuracy, this is a good thing.
The magazines, which are the weak point of any .22lr pistol, are better then most. Haven't had many jams, nosedives, or other mag problems as of yet.
Is it worth the price? Tough to say. If you wanted something for blasting or as a suppressor host, there are better options, such as the Walther or the Sig Mosquito. On the high end, the last time I went home to visit the folks, my father had just purchased a S&W 41. It was, without par, the finest .22lr pistol I've ever shot. It also retailed for twice what I paid for my Beretta, which was already on the pricey side to begin with.
I will tell you that aside from the Model 41, I have yet to shoot a .22lr that I like better then my 87T.
Edit - You probably picked the least updated page on my entire website. I snapped two more shots just now since you are in the market:
oh noez! not a desert beagle!JohnnyEgo said:Yeah, it's the "CQB" version with the shorter barrel. It chops off a lot of weight, but it's still a heavy SOB. Of all things ".50", my nephew definitely preferred the Desert Eagle to the Barret
well, the other possible purchases are:JohnnyEgo said:
- some incarnation of the Browning Buckmark (currently shooting one, but it isn't mine), which is a good pistol but i find it somewhat 'boring'/'bland'.
- a CZ122, which is a rather uncommon weapon here, but shoots rather nicely and has a good price/quality ratio.
- a Ruger, with a 2245 grip rather than the normal one, but they're rather hard to get hold of here.
- Beretta 87 Target, which costs way more than the above, but somehow has a certain attraction, which is odd, since i have a dislike for most berettas...
it's for plinking and occasional serious practise.JohnnyEgo said:
PS: suppressors are illegal in my beloved country...
i have a severe dislike for the P22, if that's what you're aiming at. it just doesnt seem to comfortably fit my hands! and i somehow cant hit the broad side of a barn with it... while i do pretty damn good with the Buckmark.JohnnyEgo said:
as for the Mosquito... it's funny, my shooting range / gunclub is actually a distributor for SigSauer. the club .22LR pistol was actually a Mosquito up until this week. they sold it, second hand... why? because they didnt have any new ones... Sig cant ship em fast enough to keep up with the demand!
i however never got around to shoot a Mosquito. i had a friend with one, and it was utter shite. jammed all the time. i'm however told that that was a first production batch issue, and that the newer revision is godlike.
i must admit, i never gave it a fair try due to my friend's problems... maybe i should...
yeah, there was one at the store, but even secondhand it was more than 1/3rd more expensive than a brandnew 87 Target...JohnnyEgo said:
that's a bit too far above what i'm willing to spend on a .22LR...
much appreciated!JohnnyEgo said:
Thrawn said:
There is a shop in the next city that has two guns each going for 700 something. Their semi, and they can't accept drum mags without modification. I can't remember the model or make.
JohnnyEgo said:
And thus why I am not a fan of drums.
So I got a liberty pass from the wife this afternoon for good behaviour in sitting through "Waitress" last night without slitting my wrists. I had a couple of optics I needed to sight in, and my buddy wanted to try out his new AI at the 650 meter mark. I snapped a few pictures for SuAside to keep up his morale while trapped behind enemy lines.
First, we started at the 300 yard range. I like to sight in at 50 meters, because it gives a flatter trajectory with 55gn out of an AR.
Once I got my rifle dialed in, I was able to make some very nice off-hand shots. It's amazing what you can do with a simple red dot and the knowledge of holdover.
It's only got a 12.5" barrel, but I stuck a bipod and 3x magnifier on it and went after the steels at the 300 yard line. It was so easy to ring them that I took the bipod off and did it free-hand. I am very pleased with the performance of my newest baby.
SuA, I know you love the AI, so here is some gratuitous AI porn:
This AI is topped with a very nice S&B scope. It is among the finest, clearest glass I've seen. One of the indications of a great rifle is that it can make even an ordinary shooter seem great. My buddy is a phenomenal shooter, and shot sub MOA at 650 without a problem. I'm not a good long distance shooter, as I lack the patience and body control to handle all the variables. Nonetheless, I was able to ring the 650 steel all day long. Next month, we're going to take it and the Barret out to a 1000 yard range a few hours away and see what we can turn out.
To give you an idea of just how far away 650 yards is, here is a picture of what we were shooting at (the 1/2 man sized steel and the two black reactive targets to the left). This is magnified 3x by my camera's zoom lens, and 45x through the spotting scope. My buddy wrung that steel all day long on head shots. I, for the most part, kept hitting his legs and lower torso.
First, we started at the 300 yard range. I like to sight in at 50 meters, because it gives a flatter trajectory with 55gn out of an AR.
Once I got my rifle dialed in, I was able to make some very nice off-hand shots. It's amazing what you can do with a simple red dot and the knowledge of holdover.
It's only got a 12.5" barrel, but I stuck a bipod and 3x magnifier on it and went after the steels at the 300 yard line. It was so easy to ring them that I took the bipod off and did it free-hand. I am very pleased with the performance of my newest baby.
SuA, I know you love the AI, so here is some gratuitous AI porn:
This AI is topped with a very nice S&B scope. It is among the finest, clearest glass I've seen. One of the indications of a great rifle is that it can make even an ordinary shooter seem great. My buddy is a phenomenal shooter, and shot sub MOA at 650 without a problem. I'm not a good long distance shooter, as I lack the patience and body control to handle all the variables. Nonetheless, I was able to ring the 650 steel all day long. Next month, we're going to take it and the Barret out to a 1000 yard range a few hours away and see what we can turn out.
To give you an idea of just how far away 650 yards is, here is a picture of what we were shooting at (the 1/2 man sized steel and the two black reactive targets to the left). This is magnified 3x by my camera's zoom lens, and 45x through the spotting scope. My buddy wrung that steel all day long on head shots. I, for the most part, kept hitting his legs and lower torso.
not as much enemy as malinformed and manipulated (and perhaps even Kafka-esque).JohnnyEgo said:
seems like you like your EOtechs... damn...JohnnyEgo said:
love it as much as any man, i supposeJohnnyEgo said:
though i'm not much of a rifle marksman. up til now i've nearly only been shooting pistols, with a few exceptions.
marvelous weapons. our army extensively uses the .308 version.JohnnyEgo said:
sush! i'll probably never have the ability to shoot that far even if i wanted to!JohnnyEgo said:
thanks for the sweet pics man.
though my sad stay 'behind enemy lines' isnt all that bad. last friday i got to toy with an FN303 through freak luck, which makes up for a lot. if i had know, i'd have brought a camera... i dont know how long FN intends to keep the demonstration unit at the range, but i'll try to take some pics next weekend if it's still there.
*fwapfwapfwapfwap*
Fan freaking tastic! Love the tan body on that sexy AI.
Fan freaking tastic! Love the tan body on that sexy AI.
fallout ranger
Vault Dweller
Slightly too pink for me, but i wouldn't complain.
SuAside said:
I am a creature of habit. I have 1 Aimpoint, 1 ACOG, and 7 EOTechs on my carbines.
I used to be an all Aimpoint man in terms of the toughest, longest lasting red dot on the market, and the ACOG as the greatest low-mag self luminous sight system in the world. Then I got older and my astigmatism got a lot worse, and the Bindon Aiming Concept no longer worked so hot for me. The Aimpoint dot also had a bad habit of appearing to elongate, "swim", and rotate on me. I won an EOTech at a competition one year, and discovered that was the CQB optic for me.
Fill out that visitor's visa. I'll put you behind a Barret, that AI, my Uzi, an M16, and an FN 240B, suppressed!SuAside said:
Little question: Since you seem to be pretty familiar with AR-family rifles, how does the QDSS supressor work and how well does it actually supress the sound of a 5.56 round out of an M4/Colt Commando/AR? Wouldn't a rifle need a sub-sonic round to fire a silenced shot?
Wooz said:
A lot of suppressor talk is pure BS. Subsonic 5.56 doesn't stabilize very well, and I don't know of too many people who are willing to risk their suppressors turning into a grenade to try it.
So it's still very loud. Many of my friends will say that a suppressor makes the AR "hearing safe", but I don't believe them. It may put it below the dB threshold for instant damage, but I don't know of too many people who only fire one or two rounds, and the longterm exposure is still just as dangerous.
All that said, the difference between an suppressed and an unsuppressed M4 is astounding.
The true measure of a suppressor's effectiveness is how it sounds downrange, and the QDSS and most others do very well at disguising and muffling the report from the muzzle end. However, since I prefer not to be in front of the muzzle, most of the sound attenuation benefits are diminished for the user.
Good eye on the QDSS.
Edit - In specific response to your question, the QDSS does a good job, although it is no means the quietest can out there. The fast attach mechanism is fantastic, and if need be, the QDSS can literally be shot off the gun. It's very durable and very light weight. By contrast, my Ops 15th is the quieter can from behind the trigger, at the expense of weight, volume, and a more complicated attachment mechanism. If I were a grunt, light weight wins.