The Guns and Ammo Thread
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Robert Czarwolski
It Wandered In From the Wastes
If i could i would buy a H&K SL-8 (http://www.world.guns.ru/civil/civ009-e.htm, however here in Brazil is TERRIBLE expensive, and even if I could pay, 5,56 is not allowed here.
About supressers, if you got a good one, in a urban enviroment (with cars ect.)you can't hear it at 200m, in silence 300/400m or so i remember. Supressors also make the guns more precise (extended barrel), but they make the gun dirty very quick.
If you put a supressor in a .45 weapon, it makes almost no noise (.45 is subsonic!).
Realy, i would buy a M99. Love that gun, and it's REALY precise (1 MOA, check out the site i gave in the snipers area)
About supressers, if you got a good one, in a urban enviroment (with cars ect.)you can't hear it at 200m, in silence 300/400m or so i remember. Supressors also make the guns more precise (extended barrel), but they make the gun dirty very quick.
If you put a supressor in a .45 weapon, it makes almost no noise (.45 is subsonic!).
HK is terribly expensive anywhere 
also, the SL8 is a rip-off. uses exclusive HK magazines only (and they're not even compatible with the ones from the G36).
isn't it also rather ironic that an SL8 costs more than a military or LE G36? pfffft.
really, i'm staying the FUCK away from HK rifles. there are far better alternatives.
also, the SL8 is a rip-off. uses exclusive HK magazines only (and they're not even compatible with the ones from the G36).
isn't it also rather ironic that an SL8 costs more than a military or LE G36? pfffft.
really, i'm staying the FUCK away from HK rifles. there are far better alternatives.
Robert Czarwolski
It Wandered In From the Wastes
H&K
Yep, i like the SL-8 because of the desing, realy, a piece of art!
But for firepower and price/benefits i would buy a M99... Anyway, i love that SL-8 desing! Both are not permitted in Brazil, so, only eye candy
Yep, i like the SL-8 because of the desing, realy, a piece of art!
But for firepower and price/benefits i would buy a M99... Anyway, i love that SL-8 desing! Both are not permitted in Brazil, so, only eye candy
fallout ranger
Vault Dweller
Anyone seen the FN Five seveN Pistol? That looks like a neat little gun, like a modern-day Tokarev.
except some people use the FiveseveN for pistol practise up to 100 yards. says enough, doesn't it?
fallout ranger
Vault Dweller
What? For real? I didn't thing it had the BC to do that without lobbing those out there.
with the correct ammo, it can be done appearantly. shoots minute of badguy at 100 yards, and even lands rather consistently.
i'd disregard the claim, but i've heard the same from several sources. of course, that kind of marksmanship isnt for everybody.
and dont forget that a 57 is rather hard to learn for most people. the grip is kinda odd at first and you'll think the sights are off. but they're not, so dont mess with them straight away. it's all your own fault.
but after a 100 rounds you should get the hang of it. it isn't like a 1911 or Browning HP that you can just pick up and immediately shoot rather accurately.
i'd disregard the claim, but i've heard the same from several sources. of course, that kind of marksmanship isnt for everybody.
and dont forget that a 57 is rather hard to learn for most people. the grip is kinda odd at first and you'll think the sights are off. but they're not, so dont mess with them straight away. it's all your own fault.
but after a 100 rounds you should get the hang of it. it isn't like a 1911 or Browning HP that you can just pick up and immediately shoot rather accurately.
fallout ranger
Vault Dweller
Not packing much energy though, which is the sad part.
fallout ranger said:
Tell me you're not comparing a Belgian ergonomic, lightweight 5.7mm pistol to a russian 7.62mm brick.
fallout ranger
Vault Dweller
I said the concept is the same, a high velocity, small-bore handgun.
not much energy? pfft...fallout ranger said:
with a gun with extremely light recoil and awesome accuracy potential, the shooting is about shotplacement, not brute force.
afterall, nearly all reported professional shooting incidents with a FiveseveN were reported to have ended with a single shot fired by police. but of course, this is greatly due to the fact that the people wielding it are specialists (SWAT, GIGN, SIE,...).
also, spec ops seem to like them too, in tandem with the P90 for urban operations and hostage rescue.
he did say modern day, so i forgive him.Mikael Grizzly said:
also, the ergonomics of the FiveseveN is a tad odd.
One hundred yards with a handgun isn't really all that hard. I can regularly ring the steel at 100 yards with my 1911, the steel being a man-hole cover. I can do it with my 87T (.22) as well. So getting there isn't that much of a problem. Having any energy left when you do is.
I made my points about the 5.7 some pages back. I don't like it all that much, and in my country, it's somewhat of a novelty cartridge. SuA can tell you all about the wonderful things the ever industrious Belgians can do with it. I'd rather have my M4 or my 1911. Then again, I'm old and slow and prefer the weapons I am accustomed to.
I made my points about the 5.7 some pages back. I don't like it all that much, and in my country, it's somewhat of a novelty cartridge. SuA can tell you all about the wonderful things the ever industrious Belgians can do with it. I'd rather have my M4 or my 1911. Then again, I'm old and slow and prefer the weapons I am accustomed to.
still, the .45ACP suffers from rather steep bullet drop at those ranges. and grouping wont be much.JohnnyEgo said:
the 5.7 on the other hand has a very flat trajectory and does group well.
hey, don't compare rifles with pistols, goddamn it!JohnnyEgo said:
and yeah, i LOVE the 1911 as well.
btw Johnny, did you ever try 1911's in 9mm? (yes i know, it's blasphemy)
i'm kinda looking into the P18-9, PXT LDA 9mm and the singlestack STI Trojan 9mm. most recurring problem is with feeding and locking the slide back after last round fired. i'm pretty worried about quality of the magazines.
SuAside said:
Yeah, but it will still hurt.
I don't shoot for groups with pistols past 25 yards. Probably because I am not very good at it. I lack the eyesight and patience for it. However, I can keep all my shots on a dinner-sized paper plate at up to 75 yards standing still. Good enough for me. Shooting on the move reduces my effective range and accuracy quite a bit, though.
SuAside said:
I'm not a hi-cap guy in 1911s, although STI & SVI both make nice guns. I have a personal bias against Para based on the large number of wide bodies that came into my shop for feeding issues a few years back.
I'm not against the 9mm 1911 in the least bit, although I would like to point out that God, er... Browning already created a fine handgun around the 9mm cartridge. My father owns a Kimber 1911 in 9mm and likes it quite a bit. I've shot it several times. It's comfortable and shoots well, but there are a lot of other 9mm handguns I like better, so I've never bought one myself.
I am currently eyeing the Sig X5 and an HK P9S as I approach tax refund time if the wife doesn't give me the veto. Word of advice - never teach a tempermental woman how to shoot. It adds a whole new dimension of fear to the relationship.
belgiumBlakut said:
neither am i, but getting a single stack would pretty much suck if i were to decide to do some IPSC with it. the average IPSC 9mm has like 16+ bullets, a singlestack has 9 or so?JohnnyEgo said:
yeah, i'm really tempted by a Trojan 5.0 (either in .45ACP or 9mm) since well, most 1911's here are in the same pricerange. a Kimber Custom II or a PO 14-45 cost as much as a Trojan 5.0 out here...JohnnyEgo said:
yeah, that worries me most... i've been reading really mixed reviews.JohnnyEgo said:
no worries it's already on my list. it's probably the handgun i'd pick for SHTF situations. there is no surplus ammo that survives the hammer of doom! a FN/Browning HP will bust any primer.JohnnyEgo said:
PS: the HP was more Saive's work than it was Browning's.
a Sig P226 X-Five? yeah, they're AWESOME (and i'm not even a sig fan). the range i go to is also official Sig distributor. one of the range guns is an X-Five.JohnnyEgo said:
madness you say? not quite, a shitload of people already bought an X-Five after trying the club gun. pays for itself... still insanely expensive, like 2500 euros for the bells & whistles model. that's way above my paygrade.
haha!JohnnyEgo said:
went shoppin' today, so time for some picture spam:
first off, a Mauser 98K produced in 1942, at Steyr-Daimler-Puch, meaning it's pretty likely this was made at least partially on forced labour.
all serials match, except the sight block, which appearantly has been changed. too bad.
the rifling is pretty mediocre, but still acceptable.
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first off, a Mauser 98K produced in 1942, at Steyr-Daimler-Puch, meaning it's pretty likely this was made at least partially on forced labour.
all serials match, except the sight block, which appearantly has been changed. too bad.
the rifling is pretty mediocre, but still acceptable.
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and i also bought a Nagant 1895, produced in Tula, 1939.
and while it's not a hugely practical or powerful gun, it is mechanically very interesting.
the double action pull is rather harsh and you get a little triggerslap, but the single action pull is downright perfect.
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edit: because the pictures were fucking up the forum.
and while it's not a hugely practical or powerful gun, it is mechanically very interesting.
the double action pull is rather harsh and you get a little triggerslap, but the single action pull is downright perfect.
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edit: because the pictures were fucking up the forum.