The Guns and Ammo Thread

cronicler said:
Thats a nice rifle DB. (Winchester 94) What's the story behind the oversized hoop if you know? (and if it's not too boring to tell here?)

Your Ruger 10/22 seems too dark coloured for my tastes but it might be because of the flash too. How is the kickback and general accuracy on these rifles?
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The oversized loop on the Winchester 94 is an homage to two western icons - John Wayne, who first used the oversized loop in the movie Stagecoach and used it in all his movies afterwards, and Chuck Connors who made the oversized loop famous in the tv show, the Rifleman.

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Here's how he did the rapid fire trick - with a set screw.

As you can see in this video you could use the oversized loop for rapid fire and spin the rifle to reload and recock it in one action. You better be wearing thick leather gloves to do this trick though.

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The Ruger 10/22 is a .22 caliber rifle, there is no kick at all. It's very accurate and feeds well, with just about any ammo. I wanted the stock to be dark, although it's not as dark as that picture.
 
SuAside said:
ever do any cowboy shoots with the 94, DammitBoy?
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Nope, but I've killed several deer with it.

Alot of my friends are into competitive shooting, me - not so much. It looks like fun though.

Maybe one day...

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Two of my favorite guns...
 
Elissar said:
.22's as well i see.
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Nope - just 16" guns. (ya scrawny fucker)

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So I've been trying for months now to get a good deal on a Mossberg 144LS - which is a .22 caliber target rifle of no major significance, except to me.

My older brother taught me to shoot with this rifle and I used it in NRA match competitions and I competed with it on the high school rifle team with it. My brother gave it to me when he moved away to go to college.

I don't remember why or when, or even how much I got for it, but I sold the rifle at some point.

I saw a beautiful 144LSB at a gunshow several months ago and I would have bought it, but the guy wanted $500.00 for it. I couldn't see spending that kind of money on it for the sake of nostalgia. It is a great little target rifle, but the thing sold brand new in the 1950's for $69.00 for crying out loud.

So I started looking for one at the online auctions, at other gunshows, and it turns out the thing is a collectors item now. The average price they sell for is $450.00 - just my luck.

Then I was lucky enough to run down a lead for one the guy was selling for a pretty good price. I called the guy in New York and bought the Mossberg 144 he had for sale for $330.00 and he is paying the freight charge of $25.00. Now all I have to do is pay my local FFL guy a $25.00 transfer fee and it will be mine in about five days.

I was getting pissed that everytime I'd find a decent one it'd sell for over $500.00 or it would sell so quick I couldn't get a bid in. Every one of them (3) that I've seen at gunshows, the asking price was $450.00 - so I think I got a pretty good deal.

Unless it looks like crap when I get it, but I have five days to inspect the gun and if I don't want it - it goes back in the mail at his cost plus a full refund.


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apart from the nostalgia, you should probably give the freefloating versions of the Savage Mark II's a go. hard to beat that value really.
 
Here is the latest boomstick - the Mossberg M144 LSA .22 target rifle.

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Ain't she purty? That has got to be one of the nicest walnut stock I have seen in a long time. The blue is 99% - all the pieces and parts are there and function properly, the bore is bright and the action is slick.

I am very happily surprised that the quality of this gun was better than advertised. You have to be a little bit leery of buying something over the internet and trusting a complete stranger to not take advantage of you and your well-earned money. I have not had a single bad experience with purchasing through these on-line auction houses. Go figger.

I'm also pleased to have this particular gun back in the Arsenal of Freedom. It reminds me of how I got involved in shooting sports in the first place and brings back a ton of memories from my youth and high school shooting competitions. I won trophies and medals with this rifle from 1967 thru 1978.

It should be fun to teach my kids how to shoot a rifle with this gun (they have only shot pistols for the most part at this point) which is incredibly accurate and easy to handle - even if it is a little heavy.
 
Happy for for DB. A nice, elegant and simple piece. Reminds me why I prefer American wooden stocks over Russian ones aesthetically.
 
cronicler said:
Oh noes! My secret is out'!
Only blood can cleanse this!!
Please accept this ICBM with my love!!!
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Ps: What does T.M.I. mean?
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Too much information. We really didn't want to know about your sex life.

Don't ask - don't tell....

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I bought a great little back-up .45 this last weekend at the gun show.


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It's a Llama Minimax .45 with a ten round magazine.

Somehow or another, I was able to make it from the gun show back to the house without going on a shooting spree...
 
I recently purchased a Izhmash Tigr, which will be used for sports, recreational shooting and maybe hunting of wild boars (given how those little pigfuckers reproduce, maybe "pest control" is a more appropriate term).

I chose the .308 Win over the original 7,62 x 54R due to availability of hunting ammunition in Germany.

I like it so far; I daresay it's the best semi auto I ever touched.
So, has anyone of you homicidal maniacs any experience with the Dragunov? I'm especially interested in how it handles 7,62 x 51 mm NATO, since I have I very cheap source of such ammo (only for practise; FMJ = cruelty to animals, IMO).

By now, I've fired two boxes darn expensive .308 soft tip hunting ammo and almost a 150 round cartoon of cheap 7,62 surplus without malfunctions. Anybody ever encountered any problems with military ammo? Russian Weapons, Izhmash in particular, aren't known for jamming, I know, but I'd rather not ruin a great riffle by trying to safe some change.



btw:

Even though I sorta became a gun nut myself, my point from May 2006 (first page of this thread) stays valid: I'll never get the point of owning guns for the sake of "home defense". Not if baseball bats are available, anyway.
 
Member of Khans said:
Even though I sorta became a gun nut myself, my point from May 2006 (first page of this thread) stays valid: I'll never get the point of owning guns for the sake of "home defense". Not if baseball bats are available, anyway.
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Because it would take more physical effort for me to kill a home intruder with a baseball bat and the intruder could be carrying a firearm himself.

To be honest if someone breaks into my house I have no interest in seeing them make it out alive. I suppose if you have moral qualms with that type of stance then firearms are not the best idea.

Anyways...

Hopefully I will have some new pictures to post in this thread soon, I get paid Thursday and a new handgun is next on my list.
 
Member of Khans said:
Anybody ever encountered any problems with military ammo? Russian Weapons, Izhmash in particular, aren't known for jamming, I know, but I'd rather not ruin a great riffle by trying to safe some change.
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Well. Norway just started using 5.56 unleaded ammunition. This new ammunition they are using are supposed to contain less lead, but in return the gasses it produced contained more sink and copper than for ordinary ammunition. So basically. Do not use it in a unventilated area.
 
a Tigr is basically a tiny bit smaller & simpler Dragunov SVD. also, picking .308Win was a good choice, as the ammo is inherently more accurate as well and feeds better.

anyhow, someone just offered to sell me a SPAS-12 for 350 euros. i was like "WTF?" and told him i'd want to inspect it before making a decision (my first thought was that it had to be defective...).

but in hindsight, hell, even if i need to fix it up, at that price... sjeez.
i hope no one steals it from me before i get to inspect it.
 
SuAside said:
a Tigr is basically a tiny bit smaller & simpler Dragunov SVD.
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Yay, I know. I wish I could get my hands on an original Dragunov, awesome adjustable gas system. National People's Army of East Germany used them, there are still a few around.
Problem is, the War Weapons Control Act makes it pretty hard to purchase post-1945 military arms here. Meh, the Tigr is fine as well.
 
you can easily dress up your Tigr to look like a Dragunov. flash hider, different furniture,...

the barrel will still be slightly shorter, but it'll be close.
 
Member of Khans said:
btw:

Even though I sorta became a gun nut myself, my point from May 2006 (first page of this thread) stays valid: I'll never get the point of owning guns for the sake of "home defense".
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Gun control; the theory that 100lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 230lb. rapists...
 
I am thinking of buying a Mini 14 with synthetic stock and lots of .223 in bulk. I live right next to and have access to a range with that magneting targetting system (not sure if that's so special though). All I want is to shoot some targets and maybe some small game in the future. Good enough?
 
Temoid said:
I am thinking of buying a Mini 14 with synthetic stock and lots of .223 in bulk. I live right next to and have access to a range with that magneting targetting system (not sure if that's so special though). All I want is to shoot some targets and maybe some small game in the future. Good enough?
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I love my Mini-14 ranch rifle and I prefer the wood stock - but there is nothing wrong with the synthetic stock.

It's a great shooting platform, accurate and reliable, and sturdy. If you get one, get a few spare magazines for it and I'd suggest sticking with factory magazines.

For target shooting, stick with some 50 grain ball ammo - but for any hunting or defensive use, invest in some 75 grain match hollowpoints for much better knockdown characteristics.
 
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