Atomic Postman
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That's not true in either case tho
The Last of Us 2 - Two cowgirls murdering each other's loved ones
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TorontoReign
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No there is something much deeper underlying that message. Super deep. So deeeep bro. Best game writing ever.
Atomic Postman
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Not saying it's deep at all, as I've said several times in this thread pixelshit indie game Hotline Miami did the same themes with more subtlety and class. Makes it worse to misconstrue it.
Big No
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I'm more confused that Ellie traveled from Wyoming to California, killed an entire compound of people, the woman she came to kill just bit her fingers off and decided to spare her after all that, never mind the events of the game itself.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
It's debatable wether that was even the theme of the first game, to me it was more a character study on Joel as a flawed person forcing his desires on another person.
Purple haired weirdos? Who? Pretty Sure Abby is brown haired, as are all the other members of her entourage.
In this game is about violence having consequences, a good chunk of the combat mechanics is about humanizing the dudes you gun down by the dozen.
Does it all work super well? Eh. So far I give it a 7. Not a master peice but enjoyable enough, gameplay is also pretty good, and I am not a fan of playing shooters on console.
Purple haired weirdos? Who? Pretty Sure Abby is brown haired, as are all the other members of her entourage.
In this game is about violence having consequences, a good chunk of the combat mechanics is about humanizing the dudes you gun down by the dozen.
Does it all work super well? Eh. So far I give it a 7. Not a master peice but enjoyable enough, gameplay is also pretty good, and I am not a fan of playing shooters on console.
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TorontoReign
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I'm just wondering what is the relationship between you and you father defenders of TLoU2? Is it strained, good, horrible? Do you relate more to your mother? Do you play as females more when you play RPG's? Do you wear a dress at night and make yourself feel like a pretty princess? Legit curious. Maybe not on the last part.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
I wonder what your relationship is with being so angry at this game you have to make a personal insult as a counter argument. Are you okay Toront? Is just a game.
RangerBoo
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To me that is the equivalent of Boone from New Vegas swearing vengeance on Caesar for what happened to his wife and him beating the shit out of him only to then have an epiphany at the last minute and go "Killing and revenge is wrong". I mean, who cares if the SOB took away the only woman he ever loved! Oh, wait, that would be fucking stupid and completely out of character to what we have seen from him.
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Big No
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The trip from Wyoming and California is what gets me the most. Google says that it's about 775 miles, give or take. So Ellie had that murderous intent within her as she traveled that far yet the way the ending occurs makes it look as though Ellie only realized "wait no, this is wrong" literally the moment she was drowning Abby.
Once humans get an idea in their head, it's hard to change it the longer it festers either through the Sunk-Cost Fallacy or the idea that they must be right because otherwise why would they have been on this track for this long?
CT Phipps
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Death of the Author is entirely valid and you can draw your own conclusions from art. A lot of people looked at Joel making the decision for Ellie the way he did (and she knows exactly what's going to happen to her--you can't tell me otherwise) and went, "Yes, if that were my daughter I would murder the fuck out of every one of these pseudo-Rebel alliance assholes."
And that's entirely valid.
However, Joel is basically Booker and I'm 99% sure he's based on Joel. He's a monstrous asshole and outlaw who absolutely deserves to die for all he's done (and JOEL WOULD AGREE) but he's humanized by his desire to protect someone he loves.
And it's also interesting because Ellie KNOWS Joel is a murderer and scumbag but needs to avenge him anyway.
And that's entirely valid.
However, Joel is basically Booker and I'm 99% sure he's based on Joel. He's a monstrous asshole and outlaw who absolutely deserves to die for all he's done (and JOEL WOULD AGREE) but he's humanized by his desire to protect someone he loves.
And it's also interesting because Ellie KNOWS Joel is a murderer and scumbag but needs to avenge him anyway.
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
How dare you use logic and reasoning in a game made by hipster douche bags high on their own farts and social justices. Who cars about logic, reasoning and plot holes. It's about the message on why revenge is bad. M'Okay.
Dude, you literally told Hass that one shouldn't think when reading or watching Sci-fi. I don't take what you say seriously.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Probably has to do with the last few hours where she accidentaly murdered a pregnant woman and has been coming to terms with Joel's actions and their consequences on other people. When we leave off Ellie before switching to Abby she is very clearly guilt ridden and even tries to talk it out with her, even agreeing that what Joel did was wrong. Unless somethign else happens when I switch back, that actually did seem like the natural course of action her character would take.
CT Phipps
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"Faster than light travel doesn't exist, ergo Star Trek is crap."
Storytelling is an art and I admit certain fans piss me off. They don't give a crap about art, only tearing them to shreds.
I remember the moment I dropped the argument. "I don't care about the fungus plot." Which is all that mattered because only a fucking child would get involved in an argument about an argument over "questioning" a story's foundations or not versus the actual plot points that make up the story.
You either treat a story on its own terms or you don't engage with it.
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
You have a fuck up way with engaging with a story. If a story present something that is illogical to it's world it should be called out on. Why do you think so many people have a problem with the MCU movies?
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Which is why I stopped watching them. If it doesn't make sense, disengage. Don't try and justify it in-universe.
"It doesn't make sense for Ellie to die as the only way to proceed!" isn't an argument.
Because the whole story is about whether or not its justified. You're just basically rage quitting.
I may hate elements of SPEC OPS: THE LINE but arguing that he didn't need to drop the white phospherous and could just kill all the soldiers with guns seems silly.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Questioning the internal logic of a story is rather reasonable thing to do with a narrative, altho, I don't even get what the issue is with doctors in a run down hospital 20 years after everythign wnet to shit not being able to take out a fungus growing inside a child's brain exactly is so unbeleivable. People have died just getting teeth removed. Like, Ellie literally has a fungus tangled up in her brain and spinal cord.
I remember when some users actually tried to argue that the Legion being so ruthless was a flaw of the game because they didn't need to be ruthless and they could be more benevolent while doing their schtick.
I remember when some users actually tried to argue that the Legion being so ruthless was a flaw of the game because they didn't need to be ruthless and they could be more benevolent while doing their schtick.
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
"About whether or not is justified" oh fuck off. You are just putting words in my mouth at this point. You are getting so ass mad over people shitting on this game, how illogical it is and it's numerous plot holes. Loved to see how you would have reacted to NMA during the hey day of Fallout 3.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Eh, the hate is still powerful there.
Still, the 2nd best Fallout game.1. Fallout NV
2. Fallout 3
3. Fallout 2
4. Fallout
Anyway, the tide has already turned on TLOU2 so there's no need for it to be defended.
Big No
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Didn't the part where she kills the pregnant character happen several months before she hunts down Abby in California though? Obviously taking a pregnant woman's life isn't something you just get over in a few months' time, but I do find it odd Ellie wanted to kill Abby enough that she left Dina and the baby and traveled 700 miles to kill someone only to decide at literally the last moment to go against it. Maybe Ellie had a few second thoughts along the trip surely, but 700 miles is quite the distance to travel, presumably on foot with maybe the odd car here and there. Quite alot of time to think to herself about whether she REALLY wanted this or not. Just seems like they had her not kill Abby for the sake of the theme than something occurring naturally.