The Last of Us 2 - Two cowgirls murdering each other's loved ones

I mean, I literally finished the first game convinced he was gonna be the villain of the second one because of how shady and downright evil he could be, specially the end.
I am actually enjoying the attempts at humanizing the people you spend the first half killing, even if not all of it lands.
 
In truth half the people bitching never even played the first one, they just see white man killed by wahmen and the /v/ outrage machine at work
 
Oh look people never felt fondness for Joel so now not liking Link getting killed is pathetic.

Better The Last of Us 2. Joel and Ellie go on a road trip and Ellie gets captured so you need to rescue her in a far away castle.
 
I straight up have seen people who don't even like the first game joining in on the bandwagon. Game discourse nowadays is such a shit show, kinda why I waited a month before playing the game.
 
People on IGN are not people. They are sock puppets run by teams of teenagers and mentally ill retards. Joel WAS The Last of Us. So much so they will now make a prequel with him in it.
 
TorontoReign said:
Oh look people never felt fondness for Joel so now not liking Link getting killed is pathetic.

Better The Last of Us 2. Joel and Ellie go on a road trip and Ellie gets captured so you need to rescue her in a far away castle.
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Yeah I'd totally say Link is comparable to a character that has one appearance in a "series " of two games before getting his brains clubbed in.
 
It's a bit of an overused trope that anti-heroes can only achieve true redemption by getting killed in the story.
 
Oh ok then. Well how about Lolipop Chainsaw without Lolipop?

The Last of Us TO ME was about a father that loved his daughter that was trying to learn from the mistakes of the past. The character embodied the Dad archetype. I associated the game with that. Funny how killing off the patriarchy has never been a more appropriate moment. They killed the only character I gave a fuck about. As someone that has lost a dad the story really resonated with me, much like FF15 did.
 
Joel doesn't get redemption, not even in the narrative of LTU2. Like, the second half is basically seeing the justification for him getting killed and even Ellie can't bring herself to pretend he didn't have it coming.

In the end Joel and Daid are basically foils of each other. Both manipulate Ellie to fill in something they desire from her disregarding her desires and opinions. Both even offer death and food.

It was the narrative of a violent man getting attached to a teenage girl to live out his fantasies of having a daugther again, and in the end she also saw his "love" for what it was. Basically a deconstruction of the entire era of "dad games" like Bioshock Infinite.

Even when she still loves the guy in the second game, when she recalls what he did to the Fireflies she can only shake and basically has a meltdown.
 
Fuck the Fireflies. They were going to kill a girl instead of working on another way to find a cure. Ellie is the most annoying bitch character I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing, thus my hate for the second game.
 
I loved killing them. They deserved it. This might show political leanings, maybe they should MKULTRA these games.
 
So, instead of killing one girl who had made the choice to risk it to solve something she saw her best friend and lover suffer through in real time.... Joel just kills everyone who could have done it possible and lies to her to keep her as his pet daugther replacement, and then he lies to her about it. That was kidna the point, Joel cared for nothing but his own desires and perspective, he even basically negs Ellie to convince her she isn't special so she goes and lives with him. The whole narrative of the first game was basically we playing as the actual villain of the story. And I was convinced he was gonna be be the villain this time around, with Ellie having to escape from him, but alas, we are instead seeing two girls killing each other over the consequences of his actions.
 
Walpknut you are a bit of a social nitwit you see killing girls is wrong regardless of the reason because there is always another way. The way they wrote it they are fooling dorks like you into thinking "but it is the only way derrrr"..
 
She made the choice of going with them and even at the end she is surprised she is even awake and alive but far away from them. Ellie makes it clear that she doesn't buy Joel's explanation and we even see in the secodn game she went back to check on it because she was sure Joel was lying to her.

I mean, Ellie's entire motivation was how she saw her friend turn in front of her while she didn't. Joel even ignores that she has gonne through any hardships because to him Ellie is just Second Sarah, and he doesn't really much care about learning about her.
 
BigGuyCIA said:
It's a bit of an overused trope that anti-heroes can only achieve true redemption by getting killed in the story.
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This I agree with. Redemption through change and struggling against yourself is much more interesting than "redemption" through sacrifice or death.

TorontoReign said:
Oh ok then. Well how about Lolipop Chainsaw without Lolipop?

The Last of Us TO ME was about a father that loved his daughter that was trying to learn from the mistakes of the past. The character embodied the Dad archetype. I associated the game with that. Funny how killing off the patriarchy has never been a more appropriate moment. They killed the only character I gave a fuck about. As someone that has lost a dad the story really resonated with me, much like FF15 did.
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Would you agree that TLOU1's ending is very much Joel failing to learn any lessons and falling back on comfort?
 
Walpknut, she made the choice because she is a moody teenager that always wants to die like some emo bitch. She wasn't thinking properly. You think she is dying for some noble cause but she would really waste her life so a war can be started as soon as all the people are free of the plague. I can't believe people like her. Like you enjoying this game and saying these things really explains a lot.

Atomic Postman said:
This I agree with. Redemption through change and struggling against yourself is much more interesting than "redemption" through sacrifice or death.



Would you agree that TLOU1's ending is very much Joel failing to learn any lessons and falling back on comfort?
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The ending of The Last of Us is Joel being selfish by choosing to not let Ellie be killed and hiding it from her. From my memory (I played it when it first came out) Joel felt they should try harder to not kill this fucking girl by butchering her. She wasn't going anywhere. People were surviving. Why rush? Joel made a selfish choice but it was right for HIM. The only character I care about. Sure he was a mean hardass. The world made him that way. Ellie was a stuck up little bitch that gave him hell the whole time really cementing her role in history as the least likable female protagonist that people like Walpknut jack off to at night.

Oh I get it. The story does not force feed logic to you. You are only using in game talk from mindless NPC's.

Real talk: Does a teenager have the right to choose to die? Should they? Joel said no.

This game was conservative dad with liberal teenager.
 
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