The Mass' Effect on gaming or HOT ALIEN LESBOZ SEKS!

[SuAside]

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mkay, wtf is that?

i'll take FO's approach to sex over this monstrosity.
or well, V:tM-B had some spicy bits without seeming utterly retarded.

I can't belive this...considerations of whether to like a game or not based on not only sex, but interspecies sex? Come on it's a game or it's porn, but please don't try to do both. Some of us want to remain separated from the other group.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller

interaction & choices are the future VD! soon you'll be able to turn a child's pony game into a bestiality fest!

interaction & player choice will rule the world!

 

[Sorrow]

Not entirely true. It is a lot about what people like. The fact is, man-on-man just isn't appealing to anyone outside of gay men.

Do you realise that most of M/M slash is wrote by girls/women?

Tolerating something is different than promoting it or making an effort to celebrate it. If Bioware doesn't include male sex, it doesn't mean they're prejudice, they just don't dig male-on-male and they have every right to do so (or not do so?). They dig lesbos so they included that.

Yes, it does mean a prejudice - they are making a role playing game - and that sex isn't here to allow roleplaying a heterosexual//bisexual/homosexual character but for greasy male teenagers that can't get themselves a girlfriend.

Do you really want to kill children?
The same question could be asked by Biowhore (NWN). Except that it would be:
Do you really want to play a gay or kill children? We don't dig it. We dig shooting people, unkillable children, gratuitous lesbian seks and other things that are EXTREME and collar grabbing.

 

[Stag]

Do you really want to have gay virtual sex, Sorrow? Ask yourself that. Take a long, hard, hard look into that mirror, and ask yourself if you really want to partake in gay virtual sex.

There's your answer.

 

[Sorrow]

Maybe in Fallout. As for visual representation - being molested by the image of that elven whore in NWN was enough for me. It's nice to see the Biowhore sink to another low.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

WOW. I like KOTOR, and they had lesbian themes, but it was done tastefully. This is just downright perverse. Do they want us to jerk off? They could just have the PC fuck the goddamn thing, Or atleast made it tounge-in-cheek like the God of War minigame.

 

[PlanHex]

or well, V:tM-B had some spicy bits without seeming utterly retarded.

I don't know...
IIRC, most of the women (Tourette, V V, anarc chick, chinese chick) had stupidly large breasts, probably to appeal more to aforementioned beating-off-to-video-game crowd.

soon you'll be able to turn a child's pony game into a bestiality fest!

They could call it Mr. Hands: The Game!

 

[maximaz]

Now, that's full of good questions. I'm wondering that myself. It also could answer the question of whether they made an effort to remove the possibility of male-on-male without any other reasons. Then, I kinda see TC's point.

Who's TC?

And that's the point I've been making since the start, for Frith's sake.

TC = Topic Creator

I meant that I see your point if the whole sex theme is done the way it was in JE or Kotor where they didn't have to make that much effort to include homo relationship, it just worked with either sex. It was probably just easier to do it the way it was done. If they made an effort to remove male-on-male, while keeping everything else, or if they could have added it just as easily as it was in JE and Kotor then yeah I see what you mean.

It's different if in ME your gender actually makes a difference and Bioware people had to make an effort to include that lesbo thing, kind of like an incentive for you to try a female character. That changes things because that makes it a sort of an easter egg, kind of like including a little nude poster of a chick in MGS and not including a nude dude. Lesbos are not as target audience specific as male-on-male, kind of like a pic of a nude chick. You know what I'm saying?

If they made an effort to remove male-on-male, while keeping everything else, or if they could have added it just as easily as it was in JE and Kotor then yeah I see what you mean.

 

[Pablosdog]

Okay, im a little inebriated but anyways.

Mass effect looks more as a homage to sci fi films and ongoing classic television series. The fact is, its basis is more in those, and it pays homage to it with its style. The dialogue itself is more reflexive and based off more instinctual choices(the fact is, we don't think everything we say, especially when it pertains to normal conversations), its more freeform, I actually think Mass effect has that pretty spot on.

In terms of stat heavy gameplay...well yes of coarse there's a regression, because they want to hit that majority, and having combat that is more twitch based(and in a sense more realistic, although a combination of both is actually nice)means a more vast majority seeing a more rewarding experience then number crunching.I'm a pnp gamer myself, but I can see how compensations have to be made in order to either sell more or make a more "interactive" experience as it relates to an immersive experience.


Now when it comes to the fact of female on female sex, the race that the alien belongs to is all female, but is actually asexual, they have no sexual organs/they reproduce with themselves.

The lack of male on male is majority based. But when it is console based you have to make it relatable to the majority, which is normally 18-35 straight males.

 

[Maphusio]

interaction & choices are the future VD! soon you'll be able to turn a child's pony game into a bestiality fest!

interaction & player choice will rule the world!

BAHAHAHAH For the sheer hilarity factor, I want to do that now! The video I would create would cut to a child crying asking what happened to "my little pony"... pwange.


At any rate, I honestly believe this game to be a worth while product since I heard about it a couple years ago. I view the "adult" content as an extra perk. I love choice and, eye candy. I've even been guilty of checking out the layyydays of Fallout...when it first came out... Well, maybe not but the thought crossed my mind.

 

[SuAside]

I don't know...
IIRC, most of the women (Tourette, V V, anarc chick, chinese chick) had stupidly large breasts, probably to appeal more to aforementioned beating-off-to-video-game crowd.

sure sure, but the way it was handled was mature and without fucking around trying to be an attentionwhore.

it all fit in perfectly. hell, you'll find that all vampire stories have strong hints of sexual lust. it's part of the entire genre.

BAHAHAHAH For the sheer hilarity factor, I want to do that now! The video I would create would cut to a child crying asking what happened to "my little pony"... pwange.

- what is that man doing to my little pony?
- that's not just a man, that's Hitler... and he's fucking your pony.

 

[PlanHex]

sure sure, but the way it was handled was mature and without fucking around trying to be an attentionwhore.

it all fit in perfectly. hell, you'll find that all vampire stories have strong hints of sexual lust. it's part of the entire genre.

I know, I'm not really debating this.

It's just a common trend in video games to have all females sport really skimpy clothes and huge breast and I find this kinda annoying.
I mean, I just started up The Witcher yesterday and I didn't even get to control Geralt before they threw a chick at me with huge breasts and cleavage that litterally goes all the way down to her pants.
I haven't had time to play past the tutorial yet, but from what I've seen, the trend continues all the way through the game.
It's not that I hate big breasts or something, but I happen to like small perky breasts too.
At least Mass Effect doesn't seem to adhere all that much to this trend (retarded lesbian sex and stripshows being dumb in an entirely different way).

Also I think this trend should be dubbed The Tomb Raider Effect.

edit:
There's a new trailer btw http://www.gametrailers.com/player/27725.html
Only has slight hints of sex

Am I the only one who can't listen to the narrator without thinking about his role in Requiem For A Dream? :s

 

[Maphusio]

sure sure, but the way it was handled was mature and without fucking around trying to be an attentionwhore.

it all fit in perfectly. hell, you'll find that all vampire stories have strong hints of sexual lust. it's part of the entire genre.

I know, I'm not really debating this.

It's just a common trend in video games to have all females sport really skimpy clothes and huge breast and I find this kinda annoying.
I mean, I just started up The Witcher yesterday and I didn't even get to control Geralt before they threw a chick at me with huge breasts and cleavage that litterally goes all the way down to her pants.
I haven't had time to play past the tutorial yet, but from what I've seen, the trend continues all the way through the game.
It's not that I hate big breasts or something, but I happen to like small perky breasts too.
At least Mass Effect doesn't seem to adhere all that much to this trend (retarded lesbian sex and stripshows being dumb in an entirely different way).

Also I think this trend should be dubbed The Tomb Raider Effect.

edit:
There's a new trailer btw http://www.gametrailers.com/player/27725.html
Only has slight hints of sex

Am I the only one who can't listen to the narrator without thinking about his role in Requiem For A Dream? :s

I do loath the large breasted exploitation of women IE "The Tomb Raider Effect"

... I just think there should be more focus on the small perky side too... An Asian focus... Perhaps a school girl... or a bus of em! And you have to save them from a mad man without hurting them! ... *squints* with a flamethrower...

Perky small breasts check, trailer, check and watch! thanks pally.

 

[Kyuu]

I dunno, the alien stripper thing doesn't bug me. I mean it's not much different than the Twi'lek dancers in KotOR, except that the dancing isn't utterly retarded, and the character models are much better looking of course. And you have to applaud that they didn't go for the typical double D breasts, at least.

Although I'm not really sure if those alien stripper girls are wearing clothes or if that's just what they look like.

Anyway, I still think it's ridiculous to claim that not including man-on-man action is somehow "wrong." The people making the game probably don't like man-on-man. The video game audience (typically men from 16-whatever) don't generally like it. So why should they feel inclined to include it? I doubt any reasonable gay person would even feel offended. I'm all for gay rights and everything, but that doesn't mean I have to like, want to see, or include man-on-man action in things I play/create.

Choice and consequence gameplay doesn't mean including every possible option there could possibly be. Maybe that's the ideal, but it's obviously not a realistic goal.

Do you realise that most of M/M slash is wrote by girls/women?

Sure. I even know a girl who's into yaoi (gay anime porn). Not sure what that's supposed to prove though. Never said nobody likes gay sex (though I doubt even that girl I know would enjoy watching actual gay porn). Plus, she's not exactly a straight woman, seeing as how she's bi.

 

[Brother None]

Anyway, I still think it's ridiculous to claim that not including man-on-man action is somehow "wrong." The people making the game probably don't like man-on-man. The video game audience (typically men from 16-whatever) don't generally like it. So why should they feel inclined to include it? I doubt any reasonable gay person would even feel offended. I'm all for gay rights and everything, but that doesn't mean I have to like, want to see, or include man-on-man action in things I play/create.

If you include lesbo sex and then consciously exclude gay sex as a roleplaying option just because people don't like it, you're being a chauvinist pig. There's no ridiculous, ifs or buts about it, you're being a sexist.

I don't give a shit if it offends gay people, I don't care about gay people. It offends my intelligence.

Re irrealisitically large-breasted women:
I'm amused by what they did for Age of Conan. Smash Kiera Knightley's face into a xerox machine and stuck a well-rounded figure around it, tadaah, you got "Keaira"

(she was in Playboy, y'know)

 

[Kyuu]

Funny. It doesn't offend my intelligence in the least, and I'm generally more sensitive to misogyny than most guys I know. It just seems a pretty natural extension of the whole thing about most guys (and the developers and audience are certainly almost entirely male) being sexually attracted to women and not other men.

I doubt it was a terribly conscious decision either. Probably didn't even cross any of the developers' minds to include man-on-man in the first place. I know in my few attempts at creative writing that, whenever sexuality came up, I never thought, "Well hmm, should I make these two male characters go at it with each other? Nah... I only like to reduce women to sexual objects, not my fellow dudes, so I'll just nix that idea." 'Course there's no way to know that for sure one way or the other.

I also find it odd that you'd protest considering your active participation in an internet group that generally acts about as misogynistic as you can get.

 

[Brother None]

Funny. It doesn't offend my intelligence in the least, and I'm generally more sensitive to misogyny than most guys I know. It just seems a pretty natural extension of the whole thing about most guys (and the developers and audience are certainly almost entirely male) being sexually attracted to women and not other men.

Ugh. Look, you can repeat "these guys like lesbian sex!" a million times, and I'll repeat "that has nothing to do with my issue here" back at you every time. Is that really useful, though?

I also find it odd that you'd protest considering your active participation in an internet group that generally acts about as misogynistic as you can get.

Yeah. The Order is also undemocratic as heck, so you'd probably find it odd that I'd protest if someone told me I'm no longer allowed to vote?

 

[Kyuu]

Ugh. Look, you can repeat "these guys like lesbian sex!" a million times, and I'll repeat "that has nothing to do with my issue here" back at you every time. Is that really useful, though?

I'm not quite sure how it doesn't have something to do with the issue. It's not like the developers are inhuman robots whose likes, dislikes, and personalities don't impact what they do. As I said in my (edited) post above, I highly doubt they decided against man-on-man because they only find it morally repugnant to reduce men to sexual objects whereas they're A-OK with doing that to women or something of that nature.

Yeah. The Order is also undemocratic as heck, so you'd probably find it odd that I'd protest if someone told me I'm no longer allowed to vote?

Ehhh... I'll refrain from furthering that topic of debate. Not constructive.

 

[Brother None]

I highly doubt they decided against man-on-man because they only find it morally repugnant to reduce men to sexual objects whereas they're A-OK with doing that to women or something of that nature.

't doesn't matter why they did it, it matters that they did it, by which they reduce women to sexual objects and discriminate again gay men. It is irrelevant how big a hard-on they get from doing so, it's still wrong.

How would you feel if GTA didn't have any black people because the developers don't like looking at black faces?

Not constructive.

No, your point was idiotic. Not "not constructive", idiotic.

 

[Kyuu]

How would you feel if GTA didn't have any black people because the developers don't like looking at black faces?

I don't really see how that's equivocal. Not including gay sex = racial discrimination? (The equal sign meaning "is equivalent to.")

No, your point was idiotic. Not "not constructive", idiotic.

Right. It was meant to point out a kind of hypocrisy. I've never seen you decry the misogyny present there, so I just find it odd that you'd suddenly take up the reins of feminism (feminism in terms of woman equality, not femi-naziism).

Whatever floats your boat though.

 

[Brother None]

I don't really see how that's equivocal. Not including gay sex = racial discrimination? (The equal sign meaning "is equivalent to.")

Not including gay sex = discrimination, just like not including black people consciously just because people don't like it would be. Call it a pony, rose or whatever. It's discrimination.

It was meant to point out a kind of hypocrisy. I've never seen you decry the misogyny present there, so I just find it odd that you'd suddenly take up the reins of feminism (feminism in terms of woman equality, not femi-naziism).

Yes, and that point is pretty damned stupid because it's pretty weird to claim that my behaviour on the Order should determine my political or social views. What's next, what I say in a bar is something I can never contradict?