DammitBoy said:
As if all that navy and tech is working out for you...
Seriously. People with gear whose designs are from the 1960s have no trouble evading and continuously harassing and outright destroying US military assets.
The US is in decline but has a navy
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As if all that navy and tech is working out for you...
Seriously. People with gear whose designs are from the 1960s have no trouble evading and continuously harassing and outright destroying US military assets.
TheGM
The voice of reason
It's because some wimps think KILLING THEM ALL is very UN-friendly thing to do.
But The Brits showed us how to win a Guerrilla war in the Boer war(part 2: Dutchy Joe's Revenge) and nobody has the balls to do it.
It's Vietnam all over again. But not the way you think of Vietnam, because what you think of Vietnam is wrong(like how you think to poop properly is wrong). It has nothing to do with Freedom and Democracy for oppressed peoples from the evils of *inserts evils here*. and set up a bastion of human rights in a part of the world that totally hates human rights. but is just really about Testing out new toys and people getting mad loot from Defense Contracts.
But The Brits showed us how to win a Guerrilla war in the Boer war(part 2: Dutchy Joe's Revenge) and nobody has the balls to do it.
It's Vietnam all over again. But not the way you think of Vietnam, because what you think of Vietnam is wrong(like how you think to poop properly is wrong). It has nothing to do with Freedom and Democracy for oppressed peoples from the evils of *inserts evils here*. and set up a bastion of human rights in a part of the world that totally hates human rights. but is just really about Testing out new toys and people getting mad loot from Defense Contracts.
TheGM said:
Because that's equivalent to genociding the country. And genocide is a very expensive affair.
While you're at it, why not outright state that Hitler and Stalin had the right ideas, when it came to fighting wars and guerilla warfare, eh?
valcik
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The same happened during the Chechen wars. Due to some freaking group of crazy separatists, Russian military have attacked whole country, started killing innocent civilians and poor villagers. It's not a war, but a bloody stupid inhuman butchery without any honor.TheGM said:
Eek...
What's with the "kill'em all!" attitudes... they pop up every now and then, mostly as a joke, but sometimes as a serious suggestion.
Here's why: We supposedly kill terrorists, because they're doing wrong (by killing civilians) and we're doing right by killing them.
We are killing them all the way over in Afghanistan, because they are still a threat locally (they aren't any more a threat to the US, than any eager anti-american, anywhere in the world. North Korea is a bigger threat than the Taleban)
So, by implementing a "kill'em all" attitude, you have basically reduced a war with a cause, to being a war solely for the fun of killing. Basically, a real life FPS or something, only with 90% civilian encounters. In other words, you are now the terrorist.
I don't know how this is something that needs to be explained to people, but apparently it does.
What's with the "kill'em all!" attitudes... they pop up every now and then, mostly as a joke, but sometimes as a serious suggestion.
Here's why: We supposedly kill terrorists, because they're doing wrong (by killing civilians) and we're doing right by killing them.
We are killing them all the way over in Afghanistan, because they are still a threat locally (they aren't any more a threat to the US, than any eager anti-american, anywhere in the world. North Korea is a bigger threat than the Taleban)
So, by implementing a "kill'em all" attitude, you have basically reduced a war with a cause, to being a war solely for the fun of killing. Basically, a real life FPS or something, only with 90% civilian encounters. In other words, you are now the terrorist.
I don't know how this is something that needs to be explained to people, but apparently it does.
Ilosar
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But that is precisely the point; in the sorry economic state they are in (basically, they're too big to fall for now, otherwise they would in a position just as bad as Greece), can the US really keep believing itself the be-all and end-all superpower that can spend without counting on shiny new toys for it's military? Or dial down the whole ''world police'' thing they have going on since WW2 and concentrate on limiting military (and other) spendings?
The US sure loves to forget about V'nam.Tagaziel said:
depends.zegh8578 said:
The term "terrorists" is used here in a very ... broad term.
How many times do US civilians get actually killed by islamic fighters?
If we consider what kind of US personal is in afghanistan and Iraq I would guess that there are more Soldiers and Mercenaries killed. But that is just a guess (I could be wrong here). Yet those people are called terrorists.
People forget the US citizens have been seen once as terrorists as well. And not all of them fought for "democracy" either.
While I have NO doubts that there are many questionable groups in areas like Afghanistan and Iraq of which many maybe even deserve death. But I dont think one should simply throw them all in one basket.
deadr4tz said:
nemo00 said:
You two can masturbate about the F-22 all you want, it's still a waste of money and a plane without a purpose. Who the fuck do you suppose we will need to fight with that plane? You've already stated we won't be fighting the russians or the chinese.
We will always be fighting by proxy through asymmetrical warfare for the foreseeable future. And yes, the best most economical way to win those wars is through carpet bombing your enemy back to the sand age. We won't do that, I doubt we see any major "total wars" ever again. It has become politically incorrect to decimate your enemy completely into submission as we did in WWII.
Nation building is a stupid expensive practice that will never work, but it makes us feel better, so we will go broke doing it.
Take Iran for instance. The cheapest, safest way (for our troops) to eliminate their nonsense is to carpet bomb their infrastructure to the point of civil collapse and walk away. No boots on the ground at all, no nation building period. End of story.
We should stop trying to be the world police. We should close 50% of our 1000 overseas bases. That reduces our defense budget dramatically without weakening our troop strength or what pretty playtoys we decide to build to kill our enemies with.
Never gonna happen, but that would be better than what we are doing now.
Crni Vuk said:
Oh yes, I am using the term "terrorist" here as a simplification. I am painfully aware of how thrown-about this term is, and have argued about it many times myself.
For example,
The country of Iraq found itself under occupation.
The country of Norway found itself under occupation.
Iraqis are "insurgents"
Norwegians were "resistance"
Does Iraq not have any "resistance"? But for now, I considered it "another discussion" :]
fair enough.
Now who is still stuck in WW2 and masturbating over something.
I would not believe it If I didnt read it. But you can indeed make sense with what you write
Yeah. Worked wonders for Nixon in Cambodia. They won Vietnam that way didn't they?DammitBoy said:
Now who is still stuck in WW2 and masturbating over something.
I would not believe it If I didnt read it. But you can indeed make sense with what you write
TheGM
The voice of reason
Tagaziel said:
Tagaziel uses Hitler Card. It isn't effective.
Should have seen this coming. See here Genocide is just rounding up people and killing them for some goofy reason like wearing purple socks on a Tuesday. To win a Guerrilla war, one rounds people up and kill them so they stop being Guerrillas. It's tough but fair.
And as for hitler and stalin they where short and short people should never be trusted.
TheGM uses logic. It's Really effective. Tagaziel faints.
valcik said:
And it worked. See the guys that did that obviously know their world history and took a lesson from the playbook of General Sherman on how to stomp out traitors and separatists.
Damn Confederates had what was coming to them.
zegh8578 said:
There is a little saying on the street that goes.
"Don't start none, Won't be none"
America finishes what other people start(Both World Wars, the Space Race, remakes of English TV shows that run 50 times longer). You poke the Bald Eagle with a Pointy stick and you better be prepared to feel the CAW-CAW! as Big Momma Bird rips your eyes out with the Talon's of Freedom.
I'm sorry to have to say it TheGM, that was a whole lot of nonsense you just wrote. 
You might want to look up that word, because I don't think it means what you think it means.TheGM said:
While you're at it, you might want to look up American Civil War, because I don't think it happened the way you think it happened.TheGM said:
TheGM said:
Your logic falls apart at the point where you're supposed to identify guerilla fighters. In a country like Afghanistan, where the guerilla fighters come from the local populace and are often supported by them (out of conviction or fear), you can't draw that distinction easily. Your proposal to round people up and perform mass executions is precisely the kind of thinking that characterized counter insurgency operations in the Third Reich, Soviet Union or any other totalitarian regime.
What you're proposing is effectively genocide: mass killings that are to continue until either the guerilla threat is eliminated or there are no more people to kill.
Such thinking is shameful, particularly for a member of this community.
Cimmerian Nights
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Holy shit, the level of humorless sanctimony in this thread is high, even for NMA.
Gentlemen, please, rest your sphincters.
Gentlemen, please, rest your sphincters.
donperkan
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Cimmerian Nights said:
There are jokes unfit even for a troll thread. Genocide is one of them.
TheGM
The voice of reason
Tagaziel said:
I scoff at such suggestions sir, scoff in a manner that is mocking. And I only proposed Erasing any and EVERY-body that looks at America cross eyed. You try to Mad Dog Freedom, you better be prepared to be put down.
And for the record you are the one that brought up Genocide and Hitler. Because for some reason you really(really, really) like to bring up Hitler every chance you get. But that's your thing, and you can talk about Hitler all you want.
So Shine on you crazy Diamond.
Hehehe, "Freedom"
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