The US is in decline but has a navy

[DammitBoy]

You lads can cry all you want about how the U.S. is in worse shape, but it really only matters who has the biggest navy and rules the 7 seas.

We do and will continue to do so until long after you are dead and gone.

Suck it up and continue to be forced to use our currency as the world standard.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Pax USA my friend. Pax USA.

Your navy or any military power is worth nothing when it comes to economical question like we have here. Your politicians suck on the tits of the banks just like everyone else. Why you even go down to your military strength is something I cant even understand. What has your "military" done to help the economy in the recent years? Afghanistan? Iraq? lets open another drain of money.

Again. This has nothing to do with either the military or who is in better shape. And please stop those side blows to Europe. This isn't the first time that you write quite snippy almost offensive comments regarding European culture/politics which do nothing else but starting a "flame war".

 

[Brother None]

You lads can cry all you want about how the U.S. is in worse shape, but it really only matters who has the biggest navy and rules the 7 seas.

Apparently this is the 17th century. I didn't know that. Thanks for letting us know, man.

C'mon, Deebs, even you are not this ill-informed. This mindset is several centuries out of date. No one will care about the US navy when you guys declare bankruptcy. The US is simply too big to fail, so countries like China and India are forced to keep it propped up. Be grateful about it, not arrogant.

 

[plaidchuck]

The US Navy/marines! 100 men go out, 50 couples come back!

Army vet myself here

 

[Ratty Sr.]

Someone should inform DammitBoy that navies are obsolete. A salvo of Exocets can turn a carrier battle group into scrap within minutes, and that missile is three decades old. The stuff world powers have today would decimate the entire US fleet in the Pacific within hours of a hypothetical war. Of course, then the US would have no recourse but to retaliate with SLBMs, upon China would launch her ICBMs, the US would respond in kind, and all hell would break loose. Which is why none of it has a chance of ever happening, and why the navy's sole remaining purpose is posturing and looking slick in a uniform.

 

[plaidchuck]

Hey who knows maybe Fallout won't be just a video game in a few years.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Someone should inform DammitBoy that navies are obsolete. A salvo of Exocets can turn a carrier battle group into scrap within minutes, and that missile is three decades old. The stuff world powers have today would decimate the entire US fleet in the Pacific within hours of a hypothetical war. Of course, then the US would have no recourse but to retaliate with SLBMs, upon China would launch her ICBMs, the US would respond in kind, and all hell would break loose. Which is why none of it has a chance of ever happening, and why the navy's sole remaining purpose is posturing and looking slick in a uniform.

well to be fair thats already the situation since the early 80s if not already the 70s.

The kind of "power" the US has is more important with smaller nations being able to bully who ever they want as long they don't have the capability to strike against the US with nuclear weapons.

Once we go down a realistic route its quite clear that in a military confrontation where both powers have access to a huge nuclear arsenal no one would really win. What ever if we go with Europe, China or the US. As soon as one would be loosing any ground here they would fall back to nuclear weapons which as you nicely explain would always end in all of the nations using them. So what is the US going to win here with their massive fleet? Again. It helps against nations like the Iran or other areas that have not the power to actively attack the USA in the first place. What is it doing against nations like China? Russia? Europe? Nothing. Particularly not since the Soviet Union collapsed. military strength today when it comes to the super powers (I am using that concept loosely here) is not as important like in the 17the century anymore just like BN hinted to.

Many of those "what-if-games" have been done during the 80s. And the result was usually always the same. The US would probably win against the Soviet navy and any potential blockade regarding Europe (albeit with high costs) while the Soviets would eventually overrun half of western Europe with the help of the warsaw packt and their high numbers in armored vehicles. It was already back then clear. Who ever wins in a conflict will fall back to nuclear weapons. First on the battlefield and then on a strategical level where everything is whiped clean. If it would not have been that way then we would probably have seen a third world war already between the Soviets and the US. But "usually" both sides knew very well the outcome of any war.

 

[Tagaziel]

No one will care about the US navy when you guys declare bankruptcy.

People who will profit from DoD's yard sales definitely will.

 

[.Pixote.]

I think DammitBoy was just stirring the pot, we all know America is on the decline...

 

[Joelzania]

I think DammitBoy was just stirring the pot, we all know America is on the decline...

Not the glorious Roman empire!

We are slightly diverging from the eurozone "crisis", at this point, just to point out.

 

[DammitBoy]

You lads can cry all you want about how the U.S. is in worse shape, but it really only matters who has the biggest navy and rules the 7 seas.

Apparently this is the 17th century. I didn't know that. Thanks for letting us know, man.

C'mon, Deebs, even you are not this ill-informed. This mindset is several centuries out of date. No one will care about the US navy when you guys declare bankruptcy. The US is simply too big to fail, so countries like China and India are forced to keep it propped up. Be grateful about it, not arrogant.

Surely you jest? Almost all of the world's markets depend on goods shipped via the ocean.

This is commerce. Controlled by the U.S. Navy. Make no mistake, it's the reason the U.S. dollar is the world standard.

 

[TorontoReign]

You lads can cry all you want about how the U.S. is in worse shape, but it really only matters who has the biggest navy and rules the 7 seas.

Apparently this is the 17th century. I didn't know that. Thanks for letting us know, man.

C'mon, Deebs, even you are not this ill-informed. This mindset is several centuries out of date. No one will care about the US navy when you guys declare bankruptcy. The US is simply too big to fail, so countries like China and India are forced to keep it propped up. Be grateful about it, not arrogant.

Surely you jest? Almost all of the world's markets depend on goods shipped via the ocean.

This is commerce. Controlled by the U.S. Navy. Make no mistake, it's the reason the U.S. dollar is the world standard.

I tend to agree with you personally, but the U.S is severely under-strength ATM, so I'm not so sure. I'm also not sure how long the U.S dollar is going to stay the world standard. I think a new currency may be needed, but what do I know?

 

[TheGM]

You lads can cry all you want about how the U.S. is in worse shape, but it really only matters who has the biggest navy and rules the 7 seas.

Apparently this is the 17th century. I didn't know that. Thanks for letting us know, man.

C'mon, Deebs, even you are not this ill-informed. This mindset is several centuries out of date. No one will care about the US navy when you guys declare bankruptcy. The US is simply too big to fail, so countries like China and India are forced to keep it propped up. Be grateful about it, not arrogant.

Surely you jest? Almost all of the world's markets depend on goods shipped via the ocean.

This is commerce. Controlled by the U.S. Navy. Make no mistake, it's the reason the U.S. dollar is the world standard.

I tend to agree with you personally, but the U.S is severely under-strength ATM, so I'm not so sure. I'm also not sure how long the U.S dollar is going to stay the world standard. I think a new currency may be needed, but what do I know?

The World is severely under-strength ATM. Americas' economy gets a little shaky under the Republican screw job as always but the rest of the planet gets the wobbles themselves.

and once the Sino-American defense treaty gets signed you guys are BONED!

 

[DammitBoy]

Joelzania's idea that he is entitled to free things and that medical care is free is the sort of ignorance that will lead to the EU's downfall.

It's sad that you think you have no right to medical help if you can't afford it. I know it's not free but i will gladly give up a precentage of my salary so that a compleet stranger can ease his pain.

The ocean that separates us is really big.

That is a horrible strawman, please try harder in the future. Unless somewhere in my post you can point out where I said what you are claiming.

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The US can print more money as often as it wants and the rest of the world will continue to use the u.s. dollar as the world's currency standard - until someone builds a navy that can defeat our navy.

Good luck with that.

Europe is screwed and, in point of fact, have screwed themselves by including all the tard nations into the euzone. Eventually, you run out of other people's money.

Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland, etc. etc. etc. like dominos...

 

[plaidchuck]

The US has run out of money long ago, hence the "print more money as often as it wants" thing.

 

[Brother None]

Surely you jest? Almost all of the world's markets depend on goods shipped via the ocean.

This is commerce. Controlled by the U.S. Navy. Make no mistake, it's the reason the U.S. dollar is the world standard.

No it's not. Just because you have a big navy does not mean you control commerce. You don't control anything, you don't make money from it.

You're just talking about the "threat" of intervention, but as many people you ignored pointed out, navies are too powerless compared to other parts of the world power's arsenal to really be a factor. No one is afraid of the US intervening, because they know the US has no reason to do so with the EU, and doesn't have the clout to do so against China or even India.

Countries started to use your currency because it was strong and well-backed. Has zilch to do with your navy. Many countries have considered switching to the Euro but no one is going to with the current crisis. You were on the precipice of falling with this stuff, but the Eurozone crisis bailed you out. Again, be grateful, not arrogant about it. The US will be in serious trouble when people do start switching, and they inevitably will.

Anyway, split. Get the threads back on topic.

 

[valcik]

Europe is screwed and, in point of fact, have screwed themselves by including all the tard nations into the euzone.

U.S. was even in worse shape back in 2005/2006. Mr. Obama have pumped cca 800 000 000 000 US dollars in the collapsing US economy and ECB is doing the same now in EU.

 

[DammitBoy]

You were on the precipice of falling with this stuff, but the Eurozone crisis bailed you out. Again, be grateful, not arrogant about it. The US will be in serious trouble when people do start switching, and they inevitably will.

Eurocrisis bailed us out? Do you have any idea how much fake money we pumped into the monetary fund to bail you bitches out?

Hell, you are part and parcel of our downfall, if we quit pumping billions into propping up all the whore-nations taking our money, we might be a little better off.

And the U.S. is already in trouble, not even considering the crash of the eurozone, which will help finish us off economically.

If our fleets become too weak, you'll be crying first as the Russians and Chinses start to flex their muscles for dominance. Which is why all of europe will continue to prop us up as long as it can.

 

[Kilus]

The US can print more money as often as it wants and the rest of the world will continue to use the u.s. dollar as the world's currency standard - until someone builds a navy that can defeat our navy.

/Is a dumb ass that doesn't get Hyperinflation.

 

[Brother None]

If our fleets become too weak, you'll be crying first as the Russians and Chinses start to flex their muscles for dominance. Which is why all of europe will continue to prop us up as long as it can.

Wait, so we're propping you up but you pumped fake money into the IMF? You're even starting to contradict yourself now.

China's the main one propping you up, man, and India. And to a lesser extent the South American powerhouses. Like I said, the US is just a too-big-to-fail entity. Nobody really wants to see it fall, that's just now how the world political stage works anymore, even for your type, still hanging on to Cold War thinking.

China and India have by far the most klout now where it actually matters. They own the US three times over. There is no military muscle or option to flex there, it's just not relevant anymore. Sorry, man. You're empire's well over the hill. It had a decent run.