The writing is beyond abysmal and the first hint of this is the introduction

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by RedCommieBastard, Nov 13, 2015.

  1. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 15, 2015
    Nothing wrong with enjoying a game. I enjoy Skyrim for what it is and I am sure people probably view Fallout 4 the same way. If I was to compare Skyrim and Fallout 4 I would compare them to junk food. Sure junk food is cheap and not really good for you but it can be tasty and filling. However, just like with junk in real life there is some junk food I like and some I don't and Fallout 4 falls into the category of junk food that I don't like.
     
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  2. Gaddes

    Gaddes Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    May 18, 2010
    Nothing wrong with liking FO4. I'm enjoying it, but I can admit it has some serious flaws namely the no surprises, cliche' story and the utterly lackluster dialog. Much like Skyrim they provide a large world to have fun in, but at the cost of a genuine RPG experience IMO.
     
  3. comscar

    comscar It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 8, 2009
    I dunno, SOME of the intro makes sense to me. Being as they did regular drills for the vaults, the military could have been on standby that fast? It was also said that many citizens began to ignore the sirens, so maybe that's why it's more "orderly" than frantic panic?

    The salesman rep was kinda dumb. Vault registration was finished 10 years prior IIRC. It would have made more sense to have him there regarding a check up because his files were misplaced or something.

    Of course, because bethesda doesn't explain anything, it's up to the fans to make shit up that is logical so they don't have to do it.
     
  4. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    The examples listed are actually quite small, and I propose waiting till shit really hits the fan.
     
  5. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    Huh, sorry then. The forum or browser word-sensor underlines "zealotry" red.
     
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  6. Magnus

    Magnus Water Chip? Been There, Done That
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    Dec 6, 2007
    It's okay, no harm done. :)
     
  7. phipboy

    phipboy Newly elected overseer

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    Oct 2, 2015
    Did you not notice a lot of people calling you out the last time you said this same exact bullshit?
     
  8. miceelf

    miceelf First time out of the vault

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    Nov 9, 2015
    Last time I was talking about how your criticisms of Fallout games are over the top and sometimes offensive. Now I'm talking about the opportunity cost of spending time bitching on messageboards. There is a difference in those two things.
     
  9. miceelf

    miceelf First time out of the vault

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    Nov 9, 2015
    Everyone's a hypocrite in some form or another. Non of us are perfect and I take your point. Truth is I don't usually have any time to post to forums and haven't done it much since 2002. But I got ill this week, am a Fallout fan and dived into this forum hoping to get some refreshing discussion about the new game.

    Debate about games can be enlightening and a good use of time and there are some great general discussions on here outside of the Fallout-specific forums. Exposing yourself to new ideas is a good thing. And games aren't inherently worthless. If you get something out of your experience then it has worth. But if you argue the same point endlessly it's like playing Fifa on easy mode for years, winning 8-0 each time and not learning anything. It just goes round in circles. This is when debate and discussion becomes pointless because it isn't even debate. It's a circlejerk.
     
  10. phipboy

    phipboy Newly elected overseer

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    Oct 2, 2015
    Yeah no shit there is but this isn't the only time you've said something about "spending time bitching on messageboards" I'm pretty sure. MAYBE it was someone else. Still, doesn't make it any less bullshit because you should know better.

    I'm not going to repeat why this statement is bullshit so maybe start by looking at yourself, looking at what you're doing and how much is it even better than what we're, according to you, doing.

    E: Furthermore, our opinions are... over the top? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Honestly. I can't even begin to fucking imagine how our opinions are OFFENSIVE??? I get that the criticism can be seen as over the top sometimes but that our opinions are over the top? I'll see if I can find your posts regarding this because that's fucking hilarious honestly.

    Everyone's a hypocrite? Really now? Might want to check what the term means before making a statement like this.

    He didn't even say in any way or form that "none of us are perfect". That wasn't really his point I don't think.

    Who do you even have in mind when you say "but if you argue the same point endlessly" because no one here is fucking doing that. You're making mindless assumptions here pretty much.

    There is very active discussion going on here but you're so full of yourself you can't even see it.
     
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  11. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Battlecross?

    Not again...
     
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  12. Oppen

    Oppen FIXT n°1 fan

    Dec 26, 2011
    I'll say two things, and quit that argument.
    First, no, nobody here can make their own Fallout sequel, as Fallout is copyrighted.
    Second, it's always funny to see someone arguing in a forum that posting your opinion in a forum is basically a waste of time, that could be put in doing something productive. Don't you realize the same applies to defending Beth, criticizing the criticisms (and probably the critics, too) and praising?
     
  13. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    I >think< the idea is that the Vault-Tec guy had been informed by the higher ups that the bombs were on their way and he had to convince any family he could to join the vault. Even taking into account Bethesda mediocre writing to me his dialogue was too self-aware otherwise. Also the overseer terminal mentions a family that joined at the last minute.

    So...yeah.
     
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  14. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    With regards to the intro, I think it was made very brief because Fallout 3 and Skyrim had really long intro's and Skyrim in particular was a really bad one as the game lagged tremendously and people just modded the game to skip it.

    Fallout 3's long intro sequence growing up in the vault was very well done compared to this 5 minute thing in Fallout 4 though.
     
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  15. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
  16. 5545Trey

    5545Trey Underground Deviant

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    Jun 25, 2014
    Making assumptions like this does not do NMA's justice...
     
  17. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Umm hello? He basically stated that already!

    And having trolls does not do NMA's justice.
     
  18. 5545Trey

    5545Trey Underground Deviant

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    Jun 25, 2014
    Um, view his profile and read when his account was made. @Battlecross was bad on Wednesday, three days before @miceelf's, so no, we really cannot assume they are the same person unless @Battlecross predicted the future. For all we know, it could have been a another forum member that was banned (though probably not recently). Then again, I could be wrong, but no one should be allowed to create more than one account on these forums.

    Wasting valued time replying to "trolls" does not help, either.
     
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  19. phipboy

    phipboy Newly elected overseer

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    Oct 2, 2015
    Battlecross was banned? Why?

    Also I was actually surprised and really glad that the Fallout 4 intro was at least shorter. It doesn't help that the whole thing feels EXTREMELY forced but oh well.

    E: Oh okay I found out. Never mind. Perhaps if it was up to me I would have given him a first warning. I dunno.
     
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  20. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Half-way Through My Half-life

    Nov 26, 2007
    Good Gosh, has it really become so bad that [developer opinion of] the bulk of the audience cannot focus/or retain the concepts of a five minute intro that explains the world setting? That is troublesome on many levels. :sad:

    Fallout's intro was a little over five minutes, and is the best one in the series; and it sets the mood superbly.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA


    (And the game is an enigma if you don't watch the intro.)
     
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