The writing is beyond abysmal and the first hint of this is the introduction

Nothing wrong with enjoying a game. I enjoy Skyrim for what it is and I am sure people probably view Fallout 4 the same way. If I was to compare Skyrim and Fallout 4 I would compare them to junk food. Sure junk food is cheap and not really good for you but it can be tasty and filling. However, just like with junk in real life there is some junk food I like and some I don't and Fallout 4 falls into the category of junk food that I don't like.
 
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Nothing wrong with liking FO4. I'm enjoying it, but I can admit it has some serious flaws namely the no surprises, cliche' story and the utterly lackluster dialog. Much like Skyrim they provide a large world to have fun in, but at the cost of a genuine RPG experience IMO.
 
I dunno, SOME of the intro makes sense to me. Being as they did regular drills for the vaults, the military could have been on standby that fast? It was also said that many citizens began to ignore the sirens, so maybe that's why it's more "orderly" than frantic panic?

The salesman rep was kinda dumb. Vault registration was finished 10 years prior IIRC. It would have made more sense to have him there regarding a check up because his files were misplaced or something.

Of course, because bethesda doesn't explain anything, it's up to the fans to make shit up that is logical so they don't have to do it.
 
Magnus said:
Also, one last thing before I'm off to find more Grognak magazines:

Mr Fish said:
Magnus said:
(correct use of the word "zealotry")
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It's not zealousness(zealotry ain't a real word). It's simply about having principles and standards and respecting the concept of artistic integrity.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zealotry

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/zealotry

http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/zealotry

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Huh, sorry then. The forum or browser word-sensor underlines "zealotry" red.
 
Mr Fish said:
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Also, one last thing before I'm off to find more Grognak magazines:

Mr Fish said:
Magnus said:
(correct use of the word "zealotry")
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It's not zealousness(zealotry ain't a real word). It's simply about having principles and standards and respecting the concept of artistic integrity.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zealotry

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/zealotry

http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/zealotry

http://s28.postimg.org/427lx5rh9/Oooh_BURN_2ebecc70c36e4031e98ac4bb6c9a4a0d.jpg
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Huh, sorry then. The forum or browser word-sensor underlines "zealotry" red.
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It's okay, no harm done. :)
 
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Mate the main reason I got a new username and posted again is because of the bile directed in your direction. All over a game. My biggest question over this whole thing is over how much could have been achieved with the time that people have spent posting hateful criticism of Bethesda Fallout games. Regardless of their quality (that's a different discussion altogether), think for a moment of how much could have been achieved with the collected time spent moaning about a video game. You could have made your own Fallout sequel with that amount of time. Seriously.
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Did you not notice a lot of people calling you out the last time you said this same exact bullshit?
 
phipboy said:
miceelf said:
Mate the main reason I got a new username and posted again is because of the bile directed in your direction. All over a game. My biggest question over this whole thing is over how much could have been achieved with the time that people have spent posting hateful criticism of Bethesda Fallout games. Regardless of their quality (that's a different discussion altogether), think for a moment of how much could have been achieved with the collected time spent moaning about a video game. You could have made your own Fallout sequel with that amount of time. Seriously.
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Did you not notice a lot of people calling you out the last time you said this same exact bullshit?
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Last time I was talking about how your criticisms of Fallout games are over the top and sometimes offensive. Now I'm talking about the opportunity cost of spending time bitching on messageboards. There is a difference in those two things.
 
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miceelf said:
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miceelf said:
randy Mc rupp said:
You're the worst kind of apologist and make me sick.

What's your agenda here? OP is making very valid points.
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Another example of the great, supportive community here. This is a wonderful place in which to spend one's time.
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I have been a member of this community for a long time, but I never realized how caustic it actually is until I happened to mention that I like Fallout 4. I mean, I think Fallout 3 was shit because it tried to be Oblivion, and Oblivion was shit. But Fallout 4 is more like Skyrim, and Skyrim is actually quite good. But it seems that everyone here wants the new Fallout games to be in the same genre as the old ones, and I don't think that's possible. It's like asking Michael Bay to write the next chapter in Lord of the Rings. He might make a kickass new Lord of the Rings movie that captivates millions of people, and if you know what standards to go by when you watch that movie, you will have a good time. If you expect it to be like Tolkien's originals, you will be disappointed.
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Mate the main reason I got a new username and posted again is because of the bile directed in your direction. All over a game. My biggest question over this whole thing is over how much could have been achieved with the time that people have spent posting hateful criticism of Bethesda Fallout games. Regardless of their quality (that's a different discussion altogether), think for a moment of how much could have been achieved with the collected time spent moaning about a video game. You could have made your own Fallout sequel with that amount of time. Seriously.
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Isn't this pot calling the kettle black? Or are you the arbiter of how much time should be spent criticizing a product before one goes overboard? And you're commenting on that it is a waste of time? That this ain't productive? Well guess what? So is gaming. That ain't productive. Still, you play games. Why? Cause you enjoy it. We bitch at this forum because we get a sense of satisfaction or entertainment or stimulus out of it. Unless you're an automaton that lives for nothing but productivity you don't really get to sit on a high horse and call out other people on how what they're doing is a waste of time without being a total hypocrite.
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Everyone's a hypocrite in some form or another. Non of us are perfect and I take your point. Truth is I don't usually have any time to post to forums and haven't done it much since 2002. But I got ill this week, am a Fallout fan and dived into this forum hoping to get some refreshing discussion about the new game.

Debate about games can be enlightening and a good use of time and there are some great general discussions on here outside of the Fallout-specific forums. Exposing yourself to new ideas is a good thing. And games aren't inherently worthless. If you get something out of your experience then it has worth. But if you argue the same point endlessly it's like playing Fifa on easy mode for years, winning 8-0 each time and not learning anything. It just goes round in circles. This is when debate and discussion becomes pointless because it isn't even debate. It's a circlejerk.
 
miceelf said:
phipboy said:
miceelf said:
Mate the main reason I got a new username and posted again is because of the bile directed in your direction. All over a game. My biggest question over this whole thing is over how much could have been achieved with the time that people have spent posting hateful criticism of Bethesda Fallout games. Regardless of their quality (that's a different discussion altogether), think for a moment of how much could have been achieved with the collected time spent moaning about a video game. You could have made your own Fallout sequel with that amount of time. Seriously.
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Did you not notice a lot of people calling you out the last time you said this same exact bullshit?
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Last time I was talking about how your criticisms of Fallout games are over the top and sometimes offensive. Now I'm talking about the opportunity cost of spending time bitching on messageboards. There is a difference in those two things.
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Yeah no shit there is but this isn't the only time you've said something about "spending time bitching on messageboards" I'm pretty sure. MAYBE it was someone else. Still, doesn't make it any less bullshit because you should know better.

I'm not going to repeat why this statement is bullshit so maybe start by looking at yourself, looking at what you're doing and how much is it even better than what we're, according to you, doing.

E: Furthermore, our opinions are... over the top? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Honestly. I can't even begin to fucking imagine how our opinions are OFFENSIVE??? I get that the criticism can be seen as over the top sometimes but that our opinions are over the top? I'll see if I can find your posts regarding this because that's fucking hilarious honestly.

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Everyone's a hypocrite in some form or another. Non of us are perfect and I take your point. Truth is I don't usually have any time to post to forums and haven't done it much since 2002. But I got ill this week, am a Fallout fan and dived into this forum hoping to get some refreshing discussion about the new game.

Debate about games can be enlightening and a good use of time and there are some great general discussions on here outside of the Fallout-specific forums. Exposing yourself to new ideas is a good thing. And games aren't inherently worthless. If you get something out of your experience then it has worth. But if you argue the same point endlessly it's like playing Fifa on easy mode for years, winning 8-0 each time and not learning anything. It just goes round in circles. This is when debate and discussion becomes pointless because it isn't even debate. It's a circlejerk.
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Everyone's a hypocrite? Really now? Might want to check what the term means before making a statement like this.

He didn't even say in any way or form that "none of us are perfect". That wasn't really his point I don't think.

Who do you even have in mind when you say "but if you argue the same point endlessly" because no one here is fucking doing that. You're making mindless assumptions here pretty much.

There is very active discussion going on here but you're so full of yourself you can't even see it.
 
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I'll say two things, and quit that argument.
First, no, nobody here can make their own Fallout sequel, as Fallout is copyrighted.
Second, it's always funny to see someone arguing in a forum that posting your opinion in a forum is basically a waste of time, that could be put in doing something productive. Don't you realize the same applies to defending Beth, criticizing the criticisms (and probably the critics, too) and praising?
 
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You start off as this everyman/woman casually minding their business. A knock on the door and there's this Vault-Tec rep telling you that you were chosen to house a vault. Cool, huh? I mean, if there's going to be a nuclear apocalypse in the future, your family's covered.

Not 5 minutes pass and nuclear apocalypse happens. That one in a million odd of it happening just after registering yourself into a vault just happened. But hey, this is a videogame, right? We'll just let this incredibly stupid writing gaffe pass.
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I >think< the idea is that the Vault-Tec guy had been informed by the higher ups that the bombs were on their way and he had to convince any family he could to join the vault. Even taking into account Bethesda mediocre writing to me his dialogue was too self-aware otherwise. Also the overseer terminal mentions a family that joined at the last minute.

So...yeah.
 
With regards to the intro, I think it was made very brief because Fallout 3 and Skyrim had really long intro's and Skyrim in particular was a really bad one as the game lagged tremendously and people just modded the game to skip it.

Fallout 3's long intro sequence growing up in the vault was very well done compared to this 5 minute thing in Fallout 4 though.
 
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5545Trey said:
Dr Fallout said:
Battlecross?

Not again...
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Making assumptions like this does not do NMA's justice...
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Umm hello? He basically stated that already!

And having trolls does not do NMA's justice.
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Um, view his profile and read when his account was made. @Battlecross was bad on Wednesday, three days before @miceelf's, so no, we really cannot assume they are the same person unless @Battlecross predicted the future. For all we know, it could have been a another forum member that was banned (though probably not recently). Then again, I could be wrong, but no one should be allowed to create more than one account on these forums.

Wasting valued time replying to "trolls" does not help, either.
 
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Battlecross was banned? Why?

Also I was actually surprised and really glad that the Fallout 4 intro was at least shorter. It doesn't help that the whole thing feels EXTREMELY forced but oh well.

E: Oh okay I found out. Never mind. Perhaps if it was up to me I would have given him a first warning. I dunno.
 
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Battlecross was banned? Why?

Also I was actually surprised and really glad that the Fallout 4 intro was at least shorter. It doesn't help that the whole thing feels EXTREMELY forced but oh well.
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Good Gosh, has it really become so bad that [developer opinion of] the bulk of the audience cannot focus/or retain the concepts of a five minute intro that explains the world setting? That is troublesome on many levels. :sad:

Fallout's intro was a little over five minutes, and is the best one in the series; and it sets the mood superbly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA


(And the game is an enigma if you don't watch the intro.)
 
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