THESURVIVOR2299.com likely isn't a Fallout 4 teaser website

Makenshi said:
HerrGoogly said:
http://gamerant.com/fallout-4-boston/

The Fallout series, most overtly in its past two iterations Fallout 3 and New Vegas, has had a very political bent to it, with various factions vying for control of the nuclear-ravaged wasteland – making the politically-charged Boston an ideal fit for further exploration of that idea. Unfortunately, Fallout: New Vegas, rather than building upon the tremendous platform that Fallout 3 created, stumbled with numerous bugs and game-breaking issues.

Still, fans should be willing to shake off New Vegas‘ shortcomings, and accept Fallout 4 as what it is: a sequel to Fallout 3. If that means the series is headed to Boston, then fans should be all for it, even if Boston wasn’t their ideal choice.
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I just can't believe what I'm reading!!! :crazy:
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Gaming media/press is incredibly similar to internatinal politics, full of blatant lies, hypocrisy and rethorics.
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:roll: I have been telling you guys for quite a while, that despite FO:NV good reception here, it wasn't received very well by the majority of FO3 fans and even building on FO3 success FO:NV wasn't nearly as big monetary success. People here who thought that FO4 will be more inline with FO:NV than FO3 are simply delusional.

As for the rest, its funny how perception works, when there something you don't enjoy you tend to notice the little things and get far more irritated by them..
 
FO3 fans usually complain that F:NV looks just like FO3. you don't say? the game came out like less than 2 years after FO3. what did you expect?

The Obsidian guys made a superb job in adding features to the gameplay not to mention the *far* better writing.
 
Bunch of Negative Nancies around here. I hope Bethesda are making a sequel to Fallout Tactics. That game will make you a gosh darn sexual tyrannosaurus, just like me.
 
fred2 said:
I have been telling you guys for quite a while, that despite FO:NV good reception here, it wasn't received very well by the majority of FO3 fans and even building on FO3 success FO:NV wasn't nearly as big monetary success.
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What are your sources for this claim? No official sales figures for either game have been released, to my knowledge. However, it has been publicized that F3 sold around 4.7 million copies the first two months after release, which can be compared to F:NV selling 5 million copies in only 20 days.

Furthermore, the development costs for F:NV were significantly lower (Obsidian got a really shitty deal) than for F3, and the development cycle far shorter, resulting in both greater and quicker return on invested capital. So, I very much would like to know what you base your statement on, especially as you claim there was a great difference between the relative success of the two games.
 
Yesssssss... just heard about this today. Also, I haven't been on the forums in like a year. Hello everyone.

FALLOUT 4! WOOOO!
 
@AnchorsAweigh, it depends if you are one of the delusional people who think that FO4 will be more inline with FO:NV than FO3 or not.
 
fred2 said:
@AnchorsAweigh, it depends if you are one of the delusional people who think that FO4 will be more inline with FO:NV than FO3 or not.
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Eh, what? I asked you a straight question. You didn't answer. Therefore I ask again: on what do you base your claim that F:NV "wasn't nearly as big [a] monetary success" as F3? Where did you get that information?

I have on several occasions tried to find out which of the two games sold better, but never managed to find an answer. So I'd appreciate to find out.
 
AnchorsAweigh said:
fred2 said:
@AnchorsAweigh, it depends if you are one of the delusional people who think that FO4 will be more inline with FO:NV than FO3 or not.
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Eh, what? I asked you a straight question. You didn't answer. Therefore I ask again: on what do you base your claim that F:NV "wasn't nearly as big [a] monetary success" as F3? Where did you get that information?

I have on several occasions tried to find out which of the two games sold better, but never managed to find an answer. So I'd appreciate to find out.
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have you tried gamesindustry.biz?
 
Up to november, 2013:

FO3 sold 4.14

FNV sold 3.8something

That's in millions, I read it somewhere yesterday (it was a game sales database of some kind)

Long story short, the sales were not that different, considering FO3 came before
 
@AnchorsAweigh, I asked you a straight question too. Because this is not a new argument, many diehard RPG fans think they can make their hopes come true by playing at psedoeconomics with google, trying to prove that old school RPG are viable alternative for big publishers, despite the fact that all big publishers have been moving in the opposite direction for the past decade.

So in case your argument is that FO:NV did better than FO3, is some indication for change in target audience for FO4, as opposed to being a spinoff title that Beth licensed to Obsidian(known to make sequels) so that they can cash in on their two years old engine(While working on their real title Skyrim) and will continue to alternate between Elder scroll and Fallout, to keep things fresh(with same target audience)

I just don't want to waste any breath on such notions.
 
I have a statistic about FONV! 8-)

Since the game's launch, I've been occasionnally keeping an eye on its position on Steam Stats (http://store.steampowered.com/stats/) and each time I check it is always in a superior position to FO3.

Right now, for example, it is the number 30 most player game on Steam, while FO3 is not even on top 100. :clap:

Sure, it can simply means that NV it is being steadily more played than the 3rd because it is a newer game, but I like to think that people in general realize the great game it truly is. :wink:
 
It's also probably due to the fact that NV requires Steam while F3 does not.
 
Hmn, I forgot FO3 actually used the dreaded Games for Windows Live. :(

Wonder if Bethesda will bother to officially patch that, since GFWL is going out next year.
 
I do wonder if I have influenced that statistic rating as I have been playing FNV a lot again lately.
Damn game has become one of my weaknesses.
 
George32027 said:
have you tried gamesindustry.biz?
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Yes. It only has articles mentioning the early sales figures released by Bethesda (which are quoted on Wikipedia and many other places). I can find nothing mentioning how well the games have done in the long term.

Makenshi said:
Up to november, 2013:

FO3 sold 4.14

FNV sold 3.8something

That's in millions, I read it somewhere yesterday (it was a game sales database of some kind)

Long story short, the sales were not that different, considering FO3 came before
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I'm pretty sure those are the vgchartz numbers ( http://www.vgchartz.com/game/33663/fallout-new-vegas/ and http://www.vgchartz.com/game/6992/fallout-3/) and they are clearly wrong, considering Bethesda said that F3 sold 4.7 million copies in the first two months and F:NV sold 5 million copies in the first twenty days or so. I have a hard time imagining that ZeniMax would be very happy if Bethesda ran around lying through their teeth about how many games they sold.

fred2 said:
@AnchorsAweigh, I asked you a straight question too. Because this is not a new argument, many diehard RPG fans think they can make their hopes come true by playing at psedoeconomics with google, trying to prove that old school RPG are viable alternative for big publishers, despite the fact that all big publishers have been moving in the opposite direction for the past decade.

So in case your argument is that FO:NV did better than FO3, is some indication for change in target audience for FO4, as opposed to being a spinoff title that Beth licensed to Obsidian(known to make sequels) so that they can cash in on their two years old engine(While working on their real title Skyrim) and will continue to alternate between Elder scroll and Fallout, to keep things fresh(with same target audience)

I just don't want to waste any breath on such notions.
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The question you asked me was if I am delusional. I didn't believe you actually wanted an answer. But since you did, the answer is no, I am not delusional.

Now, you claimed that F3 did a lot better than F:NV financially and I asked you where you got that information from. Twice. And twice you have refrained from answering, giving the impression that you simply made your claim up because you like F3 better than F:NV. If that isn't the case, you are free to state your source.

I have not claimed that F:NV did better, financially. I did, however, question your statement based on the early sales figures, which heavily were in F:NV's favor. These figures are widely publicized (check out Wikipedia, for instance) and come from Bethesda itself, and have nothing to do with what game I thought was better or which game Fallout 4 will resemble the most.
 
AnchorsAweigh said:
Makenshi said:
Up to november, 2013:

FO3 sold 4.14

FNV sold 3.8something

That's in millions, I read it somewhere yesterday (it was a game sales database of some kind)

Long story short, the sales were not that different, considering FO3 came before
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I'm pretty sure those are the vgchartz numbers ( http://www.vgchartz.com/game/33663/fallout-new-vegas/ and http://www.vgchartz.com/game/6992/fallout-3/) and they are clearly wrong, considering Bethesda said that F3 sold 4.7 million copies in the first two months and F:NV sold 5 million copies in the first twenty days or so. I have a hard time imagining that ZeniMax would be very happy if Bethesda ran around lying through their teeth about how many games they sold.
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Are those apples to apples though? I honestly don't know, but one might be trying to track actual retail sales while another tracks number shipped to distributors or something.
 
AnchorsAweigh said:
giving the impression that you simply made your claim up because you like F3 better than F:NV.
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I am not responsible for people impressions, and not letting what I want get ahead of what is, doesn't make me a FO3 fanboy...

I can google some numbers for you, the problem is that those numbers will likely be incomplete(especial digital sales), and like Geech pointed out not necessary translate correctly into revenue(btw how DLC sales are counted?). IMO all you need is to understand that Beth regarded FO:NV as spinoff title, which was made possible because of FO3 success.(Alpha Protocol won't get a spinoff title).

You need to understand that despite our(my?) preferences, that Publishers prefer solid copies and consoles over PC, since overall console game cost more than PC games, and I suspect that lack of modding means consoles bring much more from DLCs(especially late ones). FO:NV great first week sales are not uncommon for squeals, I pretty sure that every beth titles sold more than it's predecessor. However, those numbers suggest, that after the initial hype FO:NV lagged far behind the older FO3 :
http://www.statisticbrain.com/xbox-360-best-selling-games-statistics/
http://www.statisticbrain.com/playstation-3-best-selling-game-statistics/

Of course there are PC sales, but again Consoles are much better representation of their target audience.
 
fred2 said:
Hey, I have an idea, I'll keep moving the goalposts and changing the criteria until I get a figure I like and which supports my argument, that's totally not cherry picking facts and misrepresenting the actual state of affairs.
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There, fixed it for you. Ignoring the PC market due to some ignorant notion that "publishers prefer consoles" is intellectually dishonest. Furthermore, the success of classic RPGs on Kickstarters is food for thought for publishers.

Please don't make inane arguments. Every time you do, a supermutant eats a puppy.

Think of the puppies.

AnchorsAweigh said:
I'm pretty sure those are the vgchartz numbers ( http://www.vgchartz.com/game/33663/fallout-new-vegas/ and http://www.vgchartz.com/game/6992/fallout-3/) and they are clearly wrong, considering Bethesda said that F3 sold 4.7 million copies in the first two months and F:NV sold 5 million copies in the first twenty days or so. I have a hard time imagining that ZeniMax would be very happy if Bethesda ran around lying through their teeth about how many games they sold.
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I think you mean shipped. Sending games to retailers isn't automatically a sale.
 
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