Things we learned from Fallout 4

Izak said:
Well yeah, of course we did, it wouldn't really be fair to judge the game otherwise.
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I think we can make an exception with Fallout 4. Really, watching the gameplay trailers and lets plays on youtube is more than enough to decide if this is an RPG for you or not.
 
The problem with the "you can't know anything about it unless you play it" line of reasoning is pretty easy to spot, when you aren't trying to base entire arguments on it and you just view it as a claim in a vacuum.

Playing a game is not the only way to gather information about the way the game functions, the quality of the setting and quest writing and the less important things like the quality of the visuals.

This may have not been true years ago, when gaming magazines were made of paper and came with demo discs of upcoming games, but now it is quite easy to develop an informed opinion of a title by doing your homework via the use of a variety of media on the internet. There is youtube, there are game site reviews by the bundle that are entirely free to read and peruse, there are user reviews on steam and metacritic, and there are live twitch streams of people playing the game with a variety of playstyles and equipment.

In this day and age, I don't need to blindly spend a single dime of my hard earned money to check if a game is worth playing.
 
Crni Vuk said:
I think we can make an exception with Fallout 4. Really, watching the gameplay trailers and lets plays on youtube is more than enough to decide if this is an RPG for you or not.
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Well yeah, if you watch Let's Plays you might as well of played the game, but I'm still a little confused here, why did Doc Morbid come to a Fallout fan site to tell people off for playing a Fallout game?
 
Danuis said:
At this point of popularity, buying the game or not does no difference to the future of those games. Millions will buy them. It's like being Pro-Sanders, but refusing to even look at a picture of Hillary on the net. What does that do? Nothing, the picture already has millions of hits. Or, an Adam Sandler movie. They're absolute garbage and insulting, but many know this and go because it's a 'popcorn movie'. Or the Star Wars Prequels. ETC. Same with Fallout. No matter how much you hate 3, or 4, or NV, it was financially successful with or without one buying it; they'll make more games on THAT fact and nothing else.

So, why not buy them and play them and *know* what it is and make an informed opinion thereof? There's no harm. I played Fallout 4. I thought that, even though they use the BoS and Mutants again and whatever, maybe it'll be fun. Hell, the Minuteman faction, while expected, was refreshing, and even though it was far from a good dungeon crawl, destroying the institute was primal and momentarily fun. Etc, etc. By the time I played it, around what - 3 million copies were sold?

Not playing it would had just made me an uninformed wanker complaining about something I would have no experience about. Playing it would make me an informed complainer. The latter is unanimously better than the former....
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Ok, I am an idiot. The thing I don't understand is why you present yourself as a clueless buyer. You already knew beforehand that:
1- the game had no skills
2- the game had a laughable dialogue wheel
3- as any other bethesda game (look at skyrim) it would have been even more streamlined and watered down than FO3
4- shooter mechanics first, rpg elements be damned.
And yet you bought it. May I ask how many hours have you been playing it? I don't think that you bought it because you wanted to search for a scientific truth and satiate your intellectual thirst. You bought it because the prospect of a big open world game with good graphics and cool stuff in the fallout world was appealing to you. And you liked it. My point is, since you nor the other geniuses seem to get it, is: why don't you stop pretending that you find this game lackluster when you actually like it?
As a side note: will you buy TES 6? I don't think you'll need to do it to know that it will be an even more watered down game than skyrim, since this is the general direction in terms of gaming and economical strategy bethesda is following.
 
Izak said:
Well yeah, if you watch Let's Plays you might as well of played the game, but I'm still a little confused here, why did Doc Morbid come to a Fallout fan site to tell people off for playing a Fallout game?
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For the same reason you are posting in a thread that jokes about the stupidity of the very same game you bought.
 
Doc Morbid said:
Ok, I am an idiot. The thing I don't understand is why you present yourself as a clueless buyer. You already knew beforehand that:
1- the game had no skills
2- the game had a laughable dialogue wheel
3- as any other bethesda game (look at skyrim) it would have been even more streamlined and watered down than FO3
4- shooter mechanics first, rpg elements be damned.
And yet you bought it. May I ask how many hours have you been playing it? I don't think that you bought it because you wanted to search for a scientific truth and satiate your intellectual thirst. You bought it because the prospect of a big open world game with good graphics and cool stuff in the fallout world was appealing to you. And you liked it. My point is, since you nor the other geniuses seem to get it, is: why don't you stop pretending that you find this game lackluster when you actually like it?
As a side note: will you buy TES 6? I don't think you'll need to do it to know that it will be an even more watered down game than skyrim, since this is the general direction in terms of gaming and economical strategy bethesda is following.
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I actually did not know it would not have skills, or the tree, or any of that stuff you're accusing me of. You're not an idiot, but you are seemingly a tryhard. I didn't like it overall.

I went into it rather blind. I saw just the trailers. I was already wary because of the Mutants and the BoS. But NV was an improvement, maybe 6 would keep it up. I had money to spend, so I spent it. I played around 70 hours, just snooping around Boston, got attached to the Minutemen quickly even though Preston was an annoyance, but the concept was neat and some characters like Piper and Cass were enjoyable for a bit. Everything - the Minutemen, the BoS, the Institute, the Railroad, the CoA, they were all shoved in, didn't really fit my expectations, and the whole upgrade-mod everything and Power Armor focus was really, really dour.

I don't play The Elder Scrolls, fantasy was never really my genre. I played Icewind Dale, that was neato.
 
Well @Izak. I Didn't say you have to spend 48 hours watching a lets play, I certainly didn't. You're right you could as well simply play the game before you do that. The footage I saw, was maybe some 40 min all together. 1 Hour at the most. And it was mostly watching someone playing random Fallout 4 quests and some part of the main quest, explaining some of the game mechanics, like the settlements and so on. And I decided for my self. Naw, this is to shitty and buggy as a Fallout game, particularly what most youtubers said about the settlement building. At best a funny way to waste your time, at the worst frustrating and painfull due to bugs and the clunky handling. That however, isn't enough to form an opinion if the game is a fun game for it self. Like if the game has some redeeming qualities. Like the shooting and looting, which yeah has to be experienced before you can judge it. They say the gunplay is better in F4 compared to F3. Which I genuely believe. Maybe if all I was looking for would be a shooter with a bit of a story inside, then Fallout 4 might be a pretty good way to waste your time. But on the other side, there really is not a shortage on cool games these days. Particularly if you're looking for action, open world and so on. Might as well go and get my self Witcher 3, Shadows of Mordor, Far Cry or something similar. However, for me personaly gunplay is the least of my priorities in a Fallout game, that's the point. Like @whirlingdervish said, in this day and age you can relatively easily determine if a game is most probably worth your money or not. It's not fail proof of course. But if you have to decide between 3 or 4 games, you could settle for the one that looks the most fun to you.
 
Danuis said:
I actually did not know it would not have skills, or the tree, or any of that stuff you're accusing me of. You're not an idiot, but you are seemingly a tryhard. I didn't like it overall.

I went into it rather blind. I saw just the trailers. I was already wary because of the Mutants and the BoS. But NV was an improvement, maybe 6 would keep it up. I had money to spend, so I spent it. I played around 70 hours, just snooping around Boston, got attached to the Minutemen quickly even though Preston was an annoyance, but the concept was neat and some characters like Piper and Cass were enjoyable for a bit. Everything - the Minutemen, the BoS, the Institute, the Railroad, the CoA, they were all shoved in, didn't really fit my expectations, and the whole upgrade-mod everything and Power Armor focus was really, really dour.

I don't play The Elder Scrolls, fantasy was never really my genre. I played Icewind Dale, that was neato.
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So you actually bought it blindly? Did I understand right? Good for you. I actually try to make an idea of a game before I buy it and not spend my money on something I later regret, but I think that's just not the way smart people such as you spend their money. I'm developing a fallout spin off as of myself, it's 70$, I can send you my bank account info if you'd like to throw some more money.
 
So far everything in this "argument" is still put to rest with:

If we don't play Fallout 4, then we have no right to complain because we haven't tried it. But if we do play Fallout 4, then we also have no right to complain because we're playing it.

These "new users" really need to try harder. Just admit that you wish people were only allowed to love Fallout 4 lol.
 
Doc Morbid said:
So you actually bought it blindly? Did I understand right? Good for you. I actually try to make an idea of a game before I buy it and not spend my money on something I later regret, but I think that's just not the way smart people such as you spend their money. I'm developing a fallout spin off as of myself, it's 70$, I can send you my bank account info if you'd like to throw some more money.
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How about you take a step back and relax? You're acting like I brought a human skull. Seriously, look at yourself.

I had an idea about the game. It was a Fallout game, I played 1, 2, Tactics, 3, and NV. I took a shot with 4, and generally, it was a bad shot, but it was my choice and my money, not yours. And if there's a 5, I'll buy it, cause if it may be good, and if it's bad, then at least I can complain about it with first hand knowledge and experience. Don't like it? Well, do you.
 
Doc Morbid, I wrote out a long, vapid post in response to you but fuck it. You're a cunt. You blindly stumble into a forum and proceed to act like a prick. You're not special for not buying a video game. My advice to you is that you stop being a cunt.

Crni, yeah that 40 minute Let's Play you watched was basically the entire game (excluding DLCs), quests are very repetitive, and yeah, the game definitely didn't appear to be or turn out to be a proper cRPG.
 
347. "Fallout 4 must be great because if you play it at all, it means you love it therefore Bethesda is great and Fallout 1 and 2 are terrible and NMA sucks"

Izak said:
Crni, yeah that 40 minute Let's Play you watched was basically the entire game (excluding DLCs), quests are very repetitive, and yeah, the game definitely didn't appear to be or turn out to be a proper cRPG.
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Yea unfortunately I cannot say Fallout 4 is worth playing. People keep saying "it's a good game just not a good Fallout game" but for me it's not really a good game either. Mediocre game maybe, but there's way better games to waste time on than Fallout 4.
 
Danuis said:
How about you take a step back and relax? You're acting like I brought a human skull. Seriously, look at yourself.

I had an idea about the game. It was a Fallout game, I played 1, 2, Tactics, 3, and NV. I took a shot with 4, and generally, it was a bad shot, but it was my choice and my money, not yours. And if there's a 5, I'll buy it, cause if it may be good, and if it's bad, then at least I can complain about it with first hand knowledge and experience. Don't like it? Well, do you.
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I am sorry if I was edgy, I really am. You were the first to call me a tryhard idiot after all. You are saying that you will buy fallout 5 because it might be good? Really? Are you kidding me? You know what? I'll buy that too, but I don't say that I'll buy it because I hope that it's good. I'll say that I'll buy it because I want to have some mindless fun. See the difference? Do as you like, I'm not trying to teach you nor anyone else what you should do.
 
Izak said:
Doc Morbid, I wrote out a long, vapid post in response to you but fuck it. You're a cunt. You blindly stumble into a forum and proceed to act like a prick. You're not special for not buying a video game. My advice to you is that you stop being a cunt.

Crni, yeah that 40 minute Let's Play you watched was basically the entire game (excluding DLCs), quests are very repetitive, and yeah, the game definitely didn't appear to be or turn out to be a proper cRPG.
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Oh, did I anger you honey? You see, yelling and calling other people cunts says a lot of things about your insecurities.
 
Doc Morbid said:
Oh, did I anger you honey? You see, yelling and calling other people cunts says a lot of things about your insecurities.
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And being a psuedo-gatekeeper and control freak, lashing out at anyone who isn't orthodox, says a lot about yours.
 
Doc Morbid said:
I am sorry if I was edgy, I really am. You were the first to call me a tryhard idiot after all. You are saying that you will buy fallout 5 because it might be good? Really? Are you kidding me? You know what? I'll buy that too, but I don't say that I'll buy it because I hope that it's good. I'll say that I'll buy it because I want to have some mindless fun. See the difference? Do as you like, I'm not trying to teach you nor anyone else what you should do.
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Is it so hard for you to grasp that, gasp, other people aren't like you and do things their own way? Yes, I'll get 5 on the hope that it's good. That's about it, as you read it. Sorry that it's legitimately not because of the reason you'd expect or are trying to 'uncover' in me.
 
Danuis said:
Is it so hard for you to grasp that, gasp, other people aren't like you and do things their own way? Yes, I'll get 5 on the hope that it's good. That's about it, as you read it. Sorry that it's legitimately not because of the reason you'd expect or are trying to 'uncover' in me.
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Okay, fine. This just means you're a moron, thank you for making it clear once more.
 
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