This has to be a joke, right? RIGHT?

Hassknecht said:
Star Wars is a futuristic fairy tale. A flashy movie for a younger audience. Plotholes like no E-Mail don't really matter, as Star Wars in its original form (the very first movie) never really tried to depict a working universe.
Like every fairy tale it's an unholy clusterfuck of ideas without much coherence or deeper thought. It's not needed, though. The focus is the story, the morality and the characters, like all fairy tales.
Long story short: Star Wars is not Science Fiction, never was. Although many people like to think of it as Science Fiction for its futuristic setting, it's just not. It's a fairy tale in space.
That being said, I'm still a huge fan of Star Wars.
I just hate it when people judge it by Science Fiction standards or claim it to be Science Fiction.
The prequels are still crap, though, even by fairy tale standards.
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I believe it is considered a Space Opera. It seems to fit the description.


Edit: I take it Crni is also a big Star Wars fan. :)
 
Jebus said:
I feel like a dog tied to a pole, constantly running in circles.

I never said they didn't do anything right, I said there were a lot of plotholes. Period.
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And all I am saying is that those plot holes are trivial, because ... again ... its more a fairy tale then anything else ... why is it so hard to simply enjoy the movie for what it is?

Look. If we would be talking about Prometheus here (or any serious Science Fiction movie), then I would agree with you, because for example the scientists getting lost in that ship right after they made a map ... is a huge plot hole. And a pretty stupid one. Or at least its "silly". Same for scientists not acting like scientists - taking of their helmets in hostile/unknown environment.

But complaining about how they had no "e-mail" in the star wars setting when you should also remember how OLD Star Wars actually is ... is nitpicking. Because Star Wars never was a serious science fiction movie in the first place, it was a huge homage to the Flash-Gordon/Adventure type of movies. You don't watch Flash Gordon for example and complain about it how they had people in it with hawk wings or some evil wizard trying to collide his planet with our earth ...
 
Crni Vuk said:
Jebus said:
I feel like a dog tied to a pole, constantly running in circles.

I never said they didn't do anything right, I said there were a lot of plotholes. Period.
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And all I am saying is that those plot holes are trivial, because ... again ... its more a fairy tale then anything else ... why is it so hard to simply enjoy the movie for what it is?
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He was responding to this:

Particularly when you compare the old movies with the new movies which lack coherence and vision.
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So the old movies may be pretty cool, but it's not because of "coherence" or "vision".
 
TorontRayne said:
Edit: I take it Crni is also a big Star Wars fan. :)
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I would not consider my self a fan, but I like them very much. They are very simple entertainment which can be good sometimes.
 
This makes me want to kill the makers of the game, then whatever shitty singer is using auto-tune for that crappy song, then myself. I had to stop at 1:00.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Watch, Matrix, Space Odyssee or Clock Work Orange. And even those, I am sure, have their "plot holes".
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2001? Nope. That's the proverbial hard science fiction movie.
 
Tagaziel said:
Crni Vuk said:
Watch, Matrix, Space Odyssee or Clock Work Orange. And even those, I am sure, have their "plot holes".
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2001? Nope. That's the proverbial hard science fiction movie.
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Don't watch Clockwork Orange unless you've already read the book. The book is literally twenty times better.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Watch, Matrix, Space Odyssee or Clock Work Orange. And even those, I am sure, have their "plot holes".
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Does Clockwork really fit in that list? Dystopian doesn't always insinuate sci-fi.

Sduibek said:
Don't watch Clockwork Orange unless you've already read the book. The book is literally twenty times better.
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Even with the clipped ending, I would say the novel is only between one and two times better than the film. Kubrick is a mad wizard of re-imagining a world with nothing but subtleties.
 
A bit offtopic, but pretty funny

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJlbPXZEpRE[/youtube]
 
13pm said:
A bit offtopic, but pretty funny
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I recently saw that movie while going through Star Wars forums to look what books are worth reading and the lyrics do reflect how I feel about SW in general.

Last week I got the Thrawn Trilogy books I bought on Ebay, I know they are very overhyped but I still feel they are very good compared to a lot of the Star Wars material as of late.
For one they at least focus on telling a story without focusing on the commercial aspects (Thrawn, Mara Jade, Cbaoth action figures, Dreadnought heavy cruiser ship models).

The Clone Wars as Zahn imagined them to be also sound a lot more interesting than Lucas' stuff (a war between the old Republic and a group of clonemasters).

Now there really is no point in complaining how Star Wars has become bad and Lucas is an idiot and how the Prequels should have been different.
They have been made and that's it, I am not even pissed at the people who do like the movies and related material. I just wish that I myself had never seen them or any of the other material that I don't like that have been added over the years, my own imagination would have filled in pretty nicely.

Like with Star Trek its perhaps best to accept that the Star Wars franchise is no longer appealing to some older fans.
Lucas can do with his creation what he want but for me its no longer worth investing much interest or money into anymore.
Perhaps in time the 'new' fans will also feel that way.
 
I personally was never able to take Star Wars very seriously. They're soft space operas with lots of ''cool'' stuff and a bullshit moral system. I mean, it's certainly very iconic, and I like Darth Vader and Han Solo as much as the next guy, but it's nothing to get really worked up about in terms of plot or in-universe consistency. Lucas himself certainly doesn't seem to care about the latter stuff, so long as the movies and books have ridiculous superweapons and overly coregraphied lightsaber fights.

The Thrawn trilogy were the only Star Wars books I read, and honestly were the best material of the franchise if you ask me, yes including the original movie trilogy. No literary classics, but Zahn knows how to tell a story without (overly) resorting to the contrived coincidences and ludicrous black-and-white situations that plague the rest of the IP. Plus Thrawn himself was such a great villain. I liked the duo he formed with his second in command, what was his name, Pelleous?
 
I understand where you are coming from Ilosar, and as my earlier post made it clear I don't care much for most of Star Wars material either.
Its clear Lucas doesn't really do at all.

I am not going to put Star Wars on some kind of pedestal as its definitely not the embodiment of science fiction (its entertaining space opera like you said).
But I do believe the earlier Star Wars had a greater degree of quality than it has now, not sure to describe it when it got lost but I think it has a great deal to do with how it got 'milked out'.

As for your question, his name was Gilad Pellaeon.
 
TL;DR.

My take: original Star Wars is awesome, episodes 1 2 and 3 are shitty jokes.
 
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