Throatpunch
Banned
Great bait.
With that attitude to your superiors you wont be a superpower for long sonny.
Trump is winning
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With that attitude to your superiors you wont be a superpower for long sonny.
>superiors
Oh God grandpas off his meds again
Ilosar
Vault Fossil
I think you're stretching facts if you believe Trump proved himself anywhere near as much as Jackson did, because he's a rich guy that makes politically incorrect speeches.
Or that the US needs an Andrew Jackson today, considering the vast differences between the country close to 200 years ago and now. For starters, you guys don't really need a slaver and a racist in charge anymore. Oh yeah, that was the norm at the time, one would say. Sure, so was dueling. Times change.
Or that the US needs an Andrew Jackson today, considering the vast differences between the country close to 200 years ago and now. For starters, you guys don't really need a slaver and a racist in charge anymore. Oh yeah, that was the norm at the time, one would say. Sure, so was dueling. Times change.
You're missing the point. The idea that some lewd jokes makes him "unpresidential" is retarded since Presidents even from the widely idealized beginning of the nation haven't been these cold, hard statesmen with no emotion or personality. According to what standard is he unpresidential? He's not even saying that stuff now, it was a private conversation 11 years ago. What are we holding him to the same standard as some of the recent presidents since going to the founding of America and her principles? How about FDR who carried on a long affair until his death? JFK who had multiple affairs famously with Marylin Monroe? Lyndon B Johnson who would make frequent remarks about his Johnson to staff at the White House? Bill Clinton? (goes without saying)? Any of the liars we've had in the past few decades? To what standard is he unpresidential is all I'm asking? Not to mention it annoys me how some people and the media are literally acting like these jokes are worth just as much discussion as terrorist attacks and actual policy.
We sure need him to come back and make the bank fuck off again though.
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TorontoReign
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Tell that to Trump who can't shut the fuck up about Bill Clinton fucking some bitch and being a man whore.
Ilosar
Vault Fossil
It's not just one stupid comment made 11 years ago. That's one thing Clinton said that I actually agree with for once, it's the accumulation of confrontational statements addressed at many people who disagreed with him, from the woman who interviewed him to the Khan family or that one hispanic judge he dissed. Time and again he got into public spats with seemingly random people that he could very much have avoided if he had the discipline to keep his mouth shut. You can think it's not a big deal if you want, but the trend is very much that Trump is unable to keep his thoughts to himself, when doing that would very much serve him sometimes.
Presidents sure don't have to be squeaky clean, hell the closest thing (which was far from clean but still) you guys got in some time, Obama, still called people jackasses in private. For which he got praise given exactly who he insulted, but nevertheless, the point is that there's gotta be a middle ground between the angel that radiates an aura of purity and the guy who is generally perceived as a massive douchebag by many people because he keeps running his mouth and insulting people. That may be OK when you're trying to unite the wayward Republican base, but the indecisive electors Trump must conquer to win have very different views of those things.
I mean, like the whole thing about nominating a special prosecutor to put Clinton in jail. Sure, his base is going to cheer at that, and the people who think it's ''badass'' or whatever. I'm pretty sure others will just view it as bullying at best, and threatening political opponents at worst. I very much doubt it's going to actually win him support, and he desperately needs to win said support outside of his acquired base. He's not going to do that by acting the way he does, it doesn't give confidence in his attitude and abilities to many people. Politics is mainly a game of perception, and Trump is losing that front IMO.
Grant you the point on the banks, but didn't that cause a rather massive depression towards the end of Jackson's tenure? Plus the whole problem with the displaced natives and such. I personally wouldn't rate him as high as the Lincolns or Roosevelts of this world (yes, both Roosevelts).
The thing with the displaced "natives" was a lose-lose situation eitherway. Either he did nothing and settlers would have taken matters into their own hands as they'd been doing anyway and killed them/force them to leave or Jackson stepped in and got everyone to move out before that happened. I don't think he was racist towards Amerindians considering he adopted one himself.
Also it's humorous you rate FDR so highly since he's on my list of worst Presidents of all time.
Also it's humorous you rate FDR so highly since he's on my list of worst Presidents of all time.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Do tell, I'm honestly interested.
Tell what? My list of least favourite Presidents?
Dr Fallout
Centurion
No, WHY he's your least favourite President.
Massive expansion of Government power, tried to stack the Supreme Court, was basically President for life (in all the wrong ways), surrounded himself with communists, got America into WWII and basically started the whole welfare nightmare that Lyndon B. Johnson (another one I hate) finished. Also he may have actual made the Depression worse until it was convenient for him.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Maybe the introduction of American troops into Europe was not entirely necessary but what about the pacific? The Japanese were threatening American influence there and were quite imperialistic.
This is bad how?
This was bad how?
We were just fine with Japan until we cut them off from much needed oil despite being "neutral".
Allowed the Soviet Union to get a lot of leverage in the American government. Also Communism is garbage and has never worked.
He was shit at it and didn't do it right.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
The US was, but the rest of Asia wasn't.
So a staunchly anti-communist government that creates tension and witch hunts is better?
Examples?
What?
Well considering it's not Witch Hunts since McCarthy was proven actually be right about many of the people he talked about and many more he didn't being revealed to be communists/have communist ties.
Instead of using his extreme reign on the country he took actions that made it worse off in the end and not better.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
China was invaded, Manchuria was a puppet government and Japan had eyes on the natural resources found in Indonesia and Burma.
Citations?
Examples?
Would you make the same excuses if we talked about Clinton right now?
No, don't answer this. I know the anwser already.
>Trump making lewd jokes is the exact same as Clinton sexually assaulting and raping multiple women
Bill Clinton actually raped and assaulted women. Trump made some vulgar jokes. How fucking dense can you be to not get the difference?
Ilosar
Vault Fossil
I can't honestly say I'm surprised, but eh, opinions and asses right?
Anyway, I can't see Trump winning now. I doubt he's going to lose by 8-10% like most polls suggest, but unless a massive twist of fate happens, there's just no way he can gain back lost ground. Way too many people hate him and have been comforted in their views by recent events. His only chance would be an historically low turnout, but the Democrat war machine is probably too good for that to ever happen.
It seems he thought his allegations towards Bill would turn the tide, but it doesn't appear to have had much of an effect. And now he's openly at war with most of his own party. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually goes full scorched earth and ensures the rats go down with the ship. Even if by some miracle Trump does win, he's now enemies with Congress whenever the Democracts or Republicans win. They're going to grab him by the pussy so hard, he's either going to be a lame duck president, or expand the executive's powers in a way that makes Obama look like a libertarian to get anything done beyond his morning dump.
Also, the more I think about it, the more Trump saying he would tell his AG to appoint a special prosecutor to directly target an ill-defined investigation on a political opponent, regarding charges that have previously not been proven, sounds right out of some kind of banana republic, not the world's allegedly greatest democracy. I'd be very concerned by that if I was an American, regardless of my feelings towards Clinton. This is not due process.
Polls show that the manufactured outrage with the tapes is just that, manufactured bullshit that hasn't effected Trump at all. Also yes it is due process. He's going to get someone to look into her shady business and if they find out she's broken the law (she has) she'll be arrested. He's not going to tear down her down with a SWAT team and just shove her in jail immediately.