Trump wins

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    For one this was years ago when I got temp-banned. I have no strong opinion either way. I don't mean that as an excuse with the faggot remark. I'm just explaining my meaning so you can judge the intent. Intent is really a lot of it.

    I have received strikes in the past for my behavior as well, long ago in ages long past. All I know is he has been told several times to stop for doing a lot of trollish shit, like spam reporting people for no reason. Stuff that gets the negative attention of the people who can ban you is not a good idea if you value being a member. You can be a dick. Just be one in moderation. Especially when our leadership is not fully functioning correctly due to forum issues.
     
  2. Ragemage

    Ragemage Wept for Zion

    Feb 20, 2016
    That's exactly right, intent really IS a lot of it. Which is why all of this should warrant at most a temporary ban, not a permanent one. It's been established that Vergil's intent was jokey/sarcastic and not serious. Crossfire, the person he did it to, has even confirmed Vergil meant it in a jokey way. I can't speak for the other things like the "report spam" as I'm not able to see that, but from the one I've actually heard about (being where he reported that one Zeno guy for being a furry) it sounds like the intent is jokey as well.
     
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  3. Risewild

    Risewild Antediluvian as Feck
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Actually it is not a fluke, admins kept saying he had passed the three strike mark several times and was warned constantly. If he didn't change his behavior back then why would he change it if he gets unbanned?
    He was banned this time because of spamming swasticas on a twibber feed, right? But Admins said he had have enough stuff to be banned a month ago and kept being warned about it.

    I miss the guy, even if I didn't agree with many stuff he said I considered him an interesting person when he wasn't shitposting, but as a moderator and admin in other forums I know that rules are to be followed. When you get warned you should change your behavior or you will get banned, he showed no sign of changing or tone it down, as a matter of fact he seemed to tone it up lately (probably like you say it was jokes, but some jokes break the site rules too).
    For example:
    -He constantly double posted: "Do not double-post, there is an Edit function on this forum for adding more to the end of a thread if you are the last poster. If you accidentally double-post, you can delete the last post yourself as long as no one else has posted below you."
    -He some times would just make a post containing just one picture (I even remember mentioning that it made me sad he kept just doing that in some thread when I was sure he had something interesting to say instead): "If you haven't got anything to say, don't post. Lurk before you post to make sure your post has something contributing to say."
    -He would many times jump on the defensive and become aggressive when no one had actually attacked him (again about that time I said his replies of just one picture looked a bit childish and made me sad because I think he posts interesting things but for a few posts he kept replying just with one picture, and he started calling me names and stuff, i even then made another post where I politely explained what I meant in my first post because he seemed to have misunderstood): "Respect others as long as they respect you. If they disrespect you, simply ignore them. That means no flaming. That also means no death threats to any developers or media outlets, no matter how much you hate them. Don't be an idiot. It also means no trolling and no cross-site trolling."
    -He many times posted only to insult others: "If your post is focused on another poster rather than the subject at hand then don't bother replying."
    -He also derailed a few topics, but to be fair this seems to happen a lot lately so I don't know if this one would count, just look at this thread for example, totally derailed :lol:: "Do not purposely derail a topic. This doesn't happen too much, but from now on when it does happen I'm going to remove the post. From there it either gets thrown into the Vats or made into its own thread, depending on it's quality. I do not want to micromanage threads like this, so please don't make me do it."
    About the report button, if he used it as a joke it is also agains the rules and that one is a strikeable offense: "On the report button: use the report button to point out bad posts to admins. Use it and do not reply to the post to point out the transgression, as that is backbench moderating. If an entire thread has gone bad, report only one posts, as reports have to be handled on a per-post basis. Spamming the report button is a strikeable offense."

    I really have nothing against him but he kept breaking rules and I can see why he got banned. And to be fair, in the past people here were banned even faster and without much tolerance, in the old days Vergil wouldn't have lasted even half of the time he lasted.
    Also the Order doesn't follow some of these rules because it is a hosted forum, it has it's own internal rules, so we can't compare what users say and do there with the NMA users.
     
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  4. Millim

    Millim Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Orderite [REDACTED]

    Oct 13, 2010
    Shit, I missed a complete shit show it seems. Not gonna lie, I'm going to miss Vergil for about a week, then I'll probably forget he even exists.
     
  5. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    Despite having what you could argue as Nazi sympathies, I did like the guy and I never took his insults personally. I think some however did.

    But at the end of the day whether or not you agree with why Vergil was banned, what's done is done and no amount of sticking up and mud slinging will change that.

    We should get back on topic.
     
  6. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Trump won.
     
  7. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    491
    Jun 14, 2016
    You people need to develop a sense of humour urgently. The only thing worse than an stupid authoritarian lefty is a boring authoritarian lefty.

    Just for the sake of context here is the thing that finally pushed the admins over the edge.
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    It was posted on MY page because Vergil knows that I'm a blonde haired, blue-eyed white man. Please note, if you will, the lack of any personal insults, the lack of any pejoratives regarding Jews or Black people.

    This has got to be the tamest and most benign Nazi-themed meme he was ever posted and yet it was THIS that earned him a permanent ban. If anything, this is the closest thing resembling a compliment that I've ever seen him post. But, nope, fuck it. BANNED.
     
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  8. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Trump won.
     
  9. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Aug 16, 2010
    Thing is he already had several warning points for all sorts of stuff; and status updates also go on the homepage and tend to linger there for a while.
    He was told over and over again that he needs to turn down his lol-neonazi-bullshit, and it doesn't help that he's actually racist (sorry, "racial realist").
    I would have prefered a temp ban, but I was away for the weekend...
     
  10. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    491
    Jun 14, 2016
    A temp ban would've made a lot more sense.

    Just for clarity's sake, what exactly is it that breaks the rules? Is it the depiction of the swastika or the use of "sieg heil"? I asked this earlier and no one answered me.
     
  11. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Trump won.

    (Get back on topic boys and girls, take this to another thread please)
     
  12. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
     
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  13. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    491
    Jun 14, 2016
    I have yet to venture into a single thread on NMA that doesn't get viciously derailed multiple times. Hell, the derails get derailed. All of a sudden, everyone is being such sticklers for the rules.

    If I were you, I'd be careful @Dr Fallout. Posting "trump won" repeatedly doesn't actually add anything and could be construed as spam. I wouldn't want to be forced to report you... especially with your history of soviet shit-posting (which is as good as hate speech apparently), I'm not sure how long you'd last.
     
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  14. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    You... wouldn't... you couldn't... I... I will not be threatened by the likes of you... I... uhhh... >_>
     
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  15. Millim

    Millim Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Orderite [REDACTED]

    Oct 13, 2010
    I don't think either of you will last in Soviet Russia.
     
  16. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    I think I will. I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice my independence and humanity to work for the greater glory of Communism and the USSR. Remember, the USSR wasn't as bad as 1984. I have relations who lived during Stalin's time.
     
  17. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    491
    Jun 14, 2016
    You've got in backwards, friend. It's Soviet Russia that wouldn't last long with me.
     
  18. Millim

    Millim Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Orderite [REDACTED]

    Oct 13, 2010
    Hitler had a better moustache than Stalin.

    You'll be dead by now.
     
  19. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    491
    Jun 14, 2016
    Well, I'm alive and kicking.

    Can't say the same thing about Soviet Shitstain, can you?

    Checkmate.
     
  20. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Aug 16, 2010
    It's not exactly knee-jerk, hair-trigger nonsense when you can get away with that kind of behaviour for this long, innit? We're pretty lenient compared to other forums (and even other staff on NMA). This isn't Reddit, being an edgelord is fine for a few posts, but it's seriously annoying if that's your entire personality.
    If you seriously feel the need to be a constant lulz-ironic-edgy shitlord all the time, well, Reddit's five servers down the block, and /pol/ is close by.