Trump wins

From Cameron Lee the lead producer at Bioware:
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First Maveen (I hate white people) Heir and now you. Bioware you are the gift that keeps on giving. Can't wait for the day one DLC that will give me the 16 different color coded endings that you are going to charge 10 bucks for.
 
Ragemage said:
I just don't really have anything else to say in regards to BuxBum666.
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And here I thought we were adults having a polite conversation. How disappointing.

Ragemage said:
He seems to think it's okay for the Left to be so upset about Trump winning that rioting is justified
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I think my approximate words were that I understand why people are upset but don't condone any violence whatsoever. How that gets construed into me thinking "rioting is justified" I will never know.

RangerBoo said:
You have done nothing but try to pick a fight with me from the start.
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As far as I can see, I have done nothing but politely argue my standpoint.

RangerBoo said:
You are the one who called me a cow because you are so butthurt right now over your girl losing.
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I didn't call you a cow, I said you fight like a cow (a humorous reference I realize now you're probably too young to understand) after you posted the same non-response to two points I made.

RangerBoo said:
Again, fuck off twat.
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And a nice day to you, too.
 
JO'Geran said:
All that talk in his campaign about doing "Worse than waterboarding" isn't doing much wrong?
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If that's your first talking point, then we'll go with that. I personally don't think there was anything wrong with waterboarding. Do you know who it was used on? Actual damn terrorists. What is Guantanamo Bay (aka Gitmo)? A prison near Cuba that's basically full of terrorists/very highly suspected terrorists. These people aren't tortured simply off baseless accusations, these are real terrorists, real people that want to bomb us in our homes. I really don't see a problem with torturing the opposition when they were going to do far worse to us. Is that a bit barbaric? Oh absolutely, I'm not saying I'm in the right. But at the same time if we need to get information out of a known terrorist and they're refusing to cooperate despite the fact we have them locked up for trying to KILL US, well then I say break out the waterboards and the fingernail-pullers. The fact that Obama is trying to close Gitmo just because he thinks torturing LITERAL TERRORISTS is apparently "pure ebil" upsets me greatly. These same terrorists would love to throw me and my fiance off a rooftop just because we're bisexual.
 
I do find it funny people praise Donald Trumps anti-globalism and lack of interventionalism when that's basically a continuation of Obama's policies. Obama let Russia roll over its neighbors and has resorted to "video game war" as his only intervention.

In that, Trump just promises more of the same.
 
Buxbaum666 said:
And here I thought we were adults having a polite conversation. How disappointing.
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What are you talking about? Oh, I missed the A on your name. Sheesh don't get so defensive, it's a typo. It's 4 AM for me.


Buxbaum666 said:
I think my approximate words were that I understand why people are upset but don't condone any violence whatsoever. How that gets construed into me thinking "rioting is justified" I will never know.
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You said you don't condone violence but you also didn't say these people are in the wrong either for what they're doing either. You worded yourself poorly.
 
JO'Geran said:
All that talk in his campaign about doing "Worse than waterboarding" isn't doing much wrong?
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Oh wahhh! They are waterboarding mass murdering, raping, religious zealots who would want to kill my brother and his boyfriend for being gay and my cousin and her fiance because she is bi and he is transgendered. My heart goes out to the poor babies! :seriouslyno:
 
Ragemage said:
If that's your first talking point, then we'll go with that. I personally don't think there was anything wrong with waterboarding. Do you know who it was used on? Actual damn terrorists. What is Guantanamo Bay (aka Gitmo)? A prison near Cuba that's basically full of terrorists/very highly suspected terrorists. These people aren't tortured simply off baseless accusations, these are real terrorists, real people that want to bomb us in our homes. I really don't see a problem with torturing the opposition when they were going to do far worse to us. Is that a bit barbaric? Oh absolutely, I'm not saying I'm in the right. But at the same time if we need to get information out of a known terrorist and they're refusing to cooperate despite the fact we have them locked up for trying to KILL US, well then I say break out the waterboards and the fingernail-pullers. The fact that Obama is trying to close Gitmo just because he thinks torturing LITERAL TERRORISTS is apparently "pure ebil" upsets me greatly. These same terrorists would love to throw me and my fiance off a rooftop just because we're bisexual.
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The problem with this attitude, @Ragemage is that the CIA's rather impressive fuck-ups on the issue are well-documented. We've got random Canadians, a bunch of Chinese Muslims who did absolutely nothing wrong, and guys identified as terrorists by other terrorists (who turned out to be pointing at their political enemies) as innocents tortured in secret prisons like the one in Romania. At least the Chinese got some island beachfront property out of the deal and out of a country which would have shot them otherwise.

Then we have the fact there's so many assholes actually lying about the effectiveness of torture so they can keep doing it before getting called on it a decade later and admitting, no, it didn't provide actionable intelligence. You can argue torture should be used purely for punishment, which I disagree with but is a valid argument. However, it falls under the same reason I don't support the Death Penalty.

Too many innocents keep falling into the cracks and when there's a question of their innocence, the people in charge tend to double down lest they look foolish.

They've released a shit ton of people from Guantanamo Bay and a substantial chunk of those were because it turned out they didn't do anything. Not they MIGHT NOT have been terorrists, they were confirmed not to be. This isn't even getting into the issue of a life sentence with no trial or actual defined charges.
 
RangerBoo said:
Oh wahhh! They are waterboarding mass murdering, raping, religious zealots who would want to kill my brother and his boyfriend for being gay and my cousin and her fiance because she is bi and he is transgendered. My heart goes out to the poor babies! :seriouslyno:
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Wow you know a lot of gay/bi/trans people. I'm jealous, I don't know any (that I can confirm).
 
CT Phipps said:
The problem with this attitude, @Ragemage is that the CIA's rather impressive fuck-ups on the issue are well-documented. We've got random Canadians, a bunch of Chinese Muslims who did absolutely nothing wrong, and guys identified as terrorists by other terrorists (who turned out to be pointing at their political enemies) as innocents tortured in secret prisons like the one in Romania.
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So can we get some actual sources here or? Because here's a source for you: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/8/number-obama-released-gitmo-detainees-suspected-re/ over 20% of suspected terrorists released by Obama were suspected of returning to terrorism the second they returned home. I never said Guantanamo Bay is ideal. HOWEVER, I do think we need to keep it afloat, mainly because, as we can see here, many of these people are actual damn terrorists, they aren't all mistakes. Just like with the death penalty, there are some mistakes, it's true (though with the death penalty it's usually because the science wasn't all there at the time and mistakes with it don't really happen nearly as often now with forensics and whatnot) but it's not enough to shut down the whole damn prison/penalty in my opinion. The good outweighs the bad for me, whatever it takes to keep me and my family safe. Especially when me and my fiance would be classified as LGBT and burned at the stake by groups like ISIS.
 
Ragemage said:
If that's your first talking point, then we'll go with that. I personally don't think there was anything wrong with waterboarding. Do you know who it was used on? Actual damn terrorists. What is Guantanamo Bay (aka Gitmo)? A prison near Cuba that's basically full of terrorists/very highly suspected terrorists. These people aren't tortured simply off baseless accusations, these are real terrorists, real people that want to bomb us in our homes. I really don't see a problem with torturing the opposition when they were going to do far worse to us. Is that a bit barbaric? Oh absolutely, I'm not saying I'm in the right. But at the same time if we need to get information out of a known terrorist and they're refusing to cooperate despite the fact we have them locked up for trying to KILL US, well then I say break out the waterboards and the fingernail-pullers. The fact that Obama is trying to close Gitmo just because he thinks torturing LITERAL TERRORISTS is apparently "pure ebil" upsets me greatly. These same terrorists would love to throw me and my fiance off a rooftop just because we're bisexual.
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This line of reasoing completely falls apart when you take into account that many Guantanamo Bay prisoners were innocent and torture is really ineffective.

Ragemage said:
You said you don't condone violence but you also didn't say these people are in the wrong either for what they're doing either. You worded yourself poorly.
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Violent people are in the wrong. Always.
 
Ragemage said:
I had that as my desktop background back when I didn't want to vote for either Trump or Hillary and thought it would be "hilarious" to write in Jeb! Bush. Then again I suppose that's funnier than the 11,000 dipshits who wrote in Harambe.
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If you don't plan to vote for any candidate then your vote is pretty much useless so why not have a little bit of fun with it and do a write in candidate for a dead gorilla? I don't see the big deal really. If anything it shows that the person thinks so little of the candidates presented that they are using the ballot to make a joke. It's basically a jab at what presidential candidates are presented and expressing how little you think of them. If you abstain from voting then all you do is abstain from voting. Lots of people do that. Nothing is really expressed by doing that. But people voting for Harambe? To me that's both funny and it is a big middle finger to the shitty system that the US got in place when it comes to the presidential race.
 
Ragemage said:
If that's your first talking point, then we'll go with that. I personally don't think there was anything wrong with waterboarding. Do you know who it was used on? Actual damn terrorists. What is Guantanamo Bay (aka Gitmo)? A prison near Cuba that's basically full of terrorists/very highly suspected terrorists. These people aren't tortured simply off baseless accusations, these are real terrorists, real people that want to bomb us in our homes. I really don't see a problem with torturing the opposition when they were going to do far worse to us. Is that a bit barbaric? Oh absolutely, I'm not saying I'm in the right. But at the same time if we need to get information out of a known terrorist and they're refusing to cooperate despite the fact we have them locked up for trying to KILL US, well then I say break out the waterboards and the fingernail-pullers. The fact that Obama is trying to close Gitmo just because he thinks torturing LITERAL TERRORISTS is apparently "pure ebil" upsets me greatly. These same terrorists would love to throw me and my fiance off a rooftop just because we're bisexual.
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There is still such a thing as basic human rights, I don't think we can deny the right not to be tortured to anyone, even if they are nasty individuals.

And what about him planning to make abortion fully illegal?, Cause y'know, that worked so well in Ireland, where the abortion industry has basically become a criminal industry.

How about how he's basically going to stop even trying to fight Global Warming, because it's apparently a conspiracy made by the Chinese?

Or how his Vice President; Mike Pence talked about cutting the money to HIV treatment and sending it to "conversion therapy"
Ragemage said:
anything besides be rude on this thread to everyone here that is a Trump supporter
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I deleted that message you quoted anyway, because I thought it was a bit dickish of me.

But apart from the post you are quoting, please point to one point in the thread where I was being rude in an unwarranted way.
 
Crossfire said:
Wow you know a lot of gay/bi/trans people. I'm jealous, I don't know any (that I can confirm).
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Well my brother and cousin are part of the LGBTQ community so I end up meeting quite a bit of people from there. They are all very nice and awesome people who's company I am glad to keep.
 
Buxbaum666 said:
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Sorry but I find it humorous that when @RangerBoo links DailyMail you basically call her stupid and say it's the same thing as Fox News, but then apparently you get to do it with no consequences. Nuh uh. Please find a different source if you want me to take your argument seriously. If @RangerBoo can't use DailyMail because it's too biased of a source, neither can you. Not trying to be mean, but I don't like hypocrisy.
 
Ragemage said:
Sorry but I find it humorous that when @RangerBoo links DailyMail you basically call her stupid and say it's the same thing as Fox News, but then apparently you get to do it with no consequences
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Actually it was me who said Daily Mail was a bad source of news. Don't blame him for something he didn't say.
 
Ragemage said:
Sorry but I find it humorous that when @RangerBoo links DailyMail you basically call her stupid and say it's the same thing as Fox News, but then apparently you get to do it with no consequences. Nuh uh. Please find a different source if you want me to take your argument seriously. If @RangerBoo can't use DailyMail because it's too biased of a source, neither can you. Not trying to be mean, but I don't like hypocrisy.
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Its not hypocrisy when they do it! Remember that.
 
Ragemage said:
So can we get some actual sources here or? Because here's a source for you: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/8/number-obama-released-gitmo-detainees-suspected-re/ over 20% of suspected terrorists released by Obama were suspected of returning to terrorism the second they returned home. I never said Guantanamo Bay is ideal. HOWEVER, I do think we need to keep it afloat, mainly because, as we can see here, many of these people are actual damn terrorists, they aren't all mistakes. Just like with the death penalty, there are some mistakes, it's true (though with the death penalty it's usually because the science wasn't all there at the time and mistakes with it don't really happen nearly as often now with forensics and whatnot) but it's not enough to shut down the whole damn prison/penalty in my opinion. The good outweighs the bad for me, whatever it takes to keep me and my family safe. Especially when me and my fiance would be classified as LGBT and burned at the stake by groups like ISIS.
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I'm actually going to surprise you, Ragemage by not saying Obama was a perfect snowflake or the fears of releasing actual terrorists aren't justified. Indeed, Obama is someone who agrees with you as the reason he did not close Guantanamo Bay is due to the number of prisoners who he believes/the military believes/possibly are people who are involved in attacks against Americans or the world in general but are only known due to inadmissible evidence. Things which have been backed up by evidence but which was "fruit of the poisonous tree."

My point isn't about releasing said terrorists or justifying them but the specific matter of torture as treatment for people put in an internment camp. I think given the number of innocent people caught up in it, that torture shouldn't be used by the United States and have yet to see an argument which holds any weight other than "they deserve it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_detainees_at_Guantanamo_Bay

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_longer_enemy_combatant
 
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