RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
And you will be just fine with him using it but not me just to prove your argument. I love your double standards.
Trump wins
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Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I didn't realize that he had used the Daily Mail as a source, until Ragemage pointed it out.
And I never said I was fine with him using it as a source, don't strawman.
The original source seemed to be the London Times but it's no longer available online.
There are others.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/most-guantanamo-detainees-are-innocent-ex-bush-official-1.804550
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/w...-for-assessing-risk.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/19/ex-bush-official-guantanamo-bay-innocent.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13184845
TheGM
The voice of reason
The vast majority the American working class is white, thus fuck them would be the conclusion a SJW would most likley take.
I take it you weren't around when Occupy Wall street died. At some point these people showed up. The SJW movement came in with a bodies, an agenda, and being really fucking loud. See all White Cis Hetro Male Men are evil and the people who worked with them had internalized systematic subjection disorders that made them bow to their white overlords. so during what little planning that got done now was mostly dominated by an obese woman with blue hair shouting down any man who had an idea while a large thing who identified as a Frankenstein said that all this patriarchy was going to derail Occupy Wall street. This alienated a shit ton of people in the movement. And most men who made up a very large deal of the organizing of the protests and what not. just simply walked away.
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
Well that's your opinion and I can respect that, but I feel like we can deny basic human rights so long as they're a proven terrorist. Anything else is iffy, but if they can be completely proven to be a mass murderer/terrorist/child rapist/big bad guy then sure, bring on the torture. Now you'll argue I'm sure that there shouldn't be torture period because it was indeed used on some innocent individuals. However, when torture was used on actual terrorists, that's when I think it's fine. Like I said earlier, the good outweighs the bad, for me at least.
Trump actually doesn't plan to make abortion fully illegal, this is a misquote by the media. He is more Pro-Life than Pro-Choice, yes, but he does not believe in fully banning abortion. I'm pretty sure the only candidate who actually wanted to do that was Ted Cruz. Here are some actual quotes from Donald on how he views abortion, which pretty much match his views today:
Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion
I support a woman’s right to choose, but I am uncomfortable with the procedures. When Tim Russert asked me on Meet the Press if I would ban partial-birth abortion, my pro-choice instincts led me to say no. After the show, I consulted two doctors I respect and, upon learning more about this procedure, I have concluded that I would support a ban.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p. 31-32 , Jul 2, 2000
Favors abortion rights but respects opposition
Trump clarified his views on abortion, saying he favors abortion rights, but respects those who oppose his position. “I believe it is a personal decision that should be left to the women and their doctors,” he said.
Source: Pat Eaton-Robb, Associated Press , Dec 2, 1999
Okay yeah, Trump did say something rather naive here. However, global warming has never really been a main issue of his campaign, and I really don't think he plans to do much if at all about it at this point. He has far too much else to worry about than something like global warming.
Well to quote what I've heard from plenty of liberals (including my own fiance a while back), when they say Bill Clinton has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton's campaign because he isn't the one running for president, well, Mike Pence isn't running for president either. The Vice President really does jack squat in the grand scheme of things, and that's really all I have to say about that one. Even if Pence did do that, Trump is actually very pro-LGBT (and being bisexual it's one of the reasons I voted for him) and won't pass some kind of crazy anti-LGBT laws like people seem to think he will.
Almost every single time you talk to @RangerBoo . If you really want me to go cherrypicking for specific lines I certainly can.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
My own view on the subject is the entirely bullshit, "We should establish a legal trial system which can use evidence gathered illegally to try the individuals involve, sentence or release them, then close the system up." Then we should close down Guantanamo Bay.
I will admit, my reasons for wanting it closed down are actually due to George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton who used it to house refugees to deny them refugee status due to the fact the USA is supposed to allow them sanctuary but routinely does not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_refugees_held_at_the_Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base
That legal loophole is B.S and too easy to misuse. At least the Romanian Prison was all sorts of fucked up and illegal--you didn't see people papering over it.
I will admit, my reasons for wanting it closed down are actually due to George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton who used it to house refugees to deny them refugee status due to the fact the USA is supposed to allow them sanctuary but routinely does not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_refugees_held_at_the_Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base
That legal loophole is B.S and too easy to misuse. At least the Romanian Prison was all sorts of fucked up and illegal--you didn't see people papering over it.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
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What exactly do you think is "the good"?
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
The GM said:
My own experience in Ashland, KY of all places was a bit different as we had white poor Americans wearing sandwich boards, sitting in chairs, and carrying placards outside of the Merry Lynch building as well as talking at length about how they'd lost their savings or been cheated horribly of their homes as well as families to whoever would listen for six months.
The failure being, of course, no one cared.
I remember Aaron Sorkin mansplaining about Occupy Wallstreet as a silly organization which didn't do "real change" on his show, The Newsroom. He talked to a 20 something pretty girl from his pulpit avatar of the man character and basically dismissed any of her concerns from his position as a rich New York producer.
Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Because's that was definitely unwarranted. It's not like she was calling anyone who disagreed with her "Butthurt", and dismissing anything she disagreed with as whining.
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
Well the two of you were whining and are butthurt on Trump winning. Just saying.
Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Except Buxbaum was literally just trying to counter your points, and make the occasional joke, and I was simply defending him when you called him butthurt. Just saying.
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
Torturing actual bad people. That's really about as simple as it gets. They want to blow us up and kill us, we make them choke on water a little while or pull out a fingernail or 2. Fair's fair. That's probably about as simple as it comes towards my political views on something. You'll think I'm a jerk probably but I get giddy when I read about proven child rapists being raped themselves in prison by fellow inmates. I love seeing karma at work.
Maybe, but that doesn't give you grounds to say you're being peachy-keen in the thread either. You hit her with insults right back instead of being civil and cool-cucumbered.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Basically, the whole "innocents in Guantanamo" thing can thankfully be discussed based on the American government's own released documents and admissions versus the politicized media.
Well you know @Ragemage so that's one.
I remember it was a huge change for me when I was a fundamentalist bigot and I got my first job washing dishes at the Elks club with a lesbian woman and her partner as my bosses. I rapidly had my entire worldview collapse as I realized I was hating on two very decent and loving people (who were eventually fired for reasons of being gay). Later, my mother's cleaning lady (my mother is rich, I am not) and her wife were ones I became acquainted with. I attended their wedding in the park as they worked on cash due to the lack of jobs. They had their wedding plans disrupted by the Rowan County Clerk controversy.
Notably, she is annoyingly the woman who signed me and my wife's certificate.
http://www.dailyindependent.com/new...cle_02f06a88-519b-11e5-b379-7763ace290c2.html
Well you know @Ragemage so that's one.
I remember it was a huge change for me when I was a fundamentalist bigot and I got my first job washing dishes at the Elks club with a lesbian woman and her partner as my bosses. I rapidly had my entire worldview collapse as I realized I was hating on two very decent and loving people (who were eventually fired for reasons of being gay). Later, my mother's cleaning lady (my mother is rich, I am not) and her wife were ones I became acquainted with. I attended their wedding in the park as they worked on cash due to the lack of jobs. They had their wedding plans disrupted by the Rowan County Clerk controversy.
Notably, she is annoyingly the woman who signed me and my wife's certificate.
http://www.dailyindependent.com/new...cle_02f06a88-519b-11e5-b379-7763ace290c2.html
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
Well he was trying to stick up for a fucking child molester, Lena Dunham, by saying if my insides were ugly like hers or not. Yeah, fuck off with that.
TheGM
The voice of reason
It got fucking weird in places. where once stood people matching against bullshit bankers getting free money for pissing away millions, now stood a couple weirdos in wolf costumes wearing giant diapers.
I don't even know what that has to do Social Justice but there they were.
I think it's bizarre that earlier in our discussions you thought I thought people being upset about Trump justifies rioting and you disapproved of that. Now you actually justify torture of people who, in your eyes, deserve it. Torture not even to get information (which doesn't work, anyway) but torture for torture's sake. That is nothing but sadistic gratification, really.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Torture as retribution is a coherent ethos. I don't agree with it but it's one which does not depend on false pretense. My objections to it are the fact it has been used on innocent people and untried people and people who have crimes that aren't necessarily terrorism. I also, after all this, think it's a repellent policy. Don't rape rapists. Don't pay evil unto evil. Pay good until evil and stop it from happening again.
Hillary basically lost because of the old adage, "It's the economy, stupid." Hillary talked about Russia, e-mails, and a number of other beats but couldn't articulate what propelled Obama into office and that was the Housing Crisis. Hillary would have won if not for the fact she didn't talk at all about relieving American unemployment or poverty.
Trump did and thus swept the Rust Belt.
In West Virgnia and Kentucky, "HILLARY IS SHUTTING DOWN COAL JOBS" ran 24/7 and it was correct because she said she wanted to change the coal industry to more affordable environmentally safe ones-and all people heard was she was shutting down what had been a way of life for literally centuries.
Gotcha, @TheGM. Thanks for the info. It seems to be the case, yeah. More circus, less outrage.