Turkish military has taken over government

Serge 13 said:
Yes, they are putting Ukrainians in their places too and they also annexed the shit out of Crimea.
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Turkey and Russia had always a pretty strange relationship though. Point is, has Turkey really a chance to stand against Russia on it's own?
 
Crni Vuk said:
Turkey and Russia had always a pretty strange relationship though. Point is, has Turkey really a chance to stand against Russia on it's own?
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Hahahaha, no. It just depends on Turkey's neighbours whether the fight will be easy or hard though. The neighboring countries have mixed relationships with Turkey and Russia. If they end up staying neutral.. well. If they do decide to help Turkey though, it will stall the fighting a bit.
 
I am not necessarily talking about a military conflict here. I mean in general, economically, politically and yeah, with military power. Turkey has improved in the last decade. But not so much that they can go toe to toe with Russia in all matters.
 
Crni Vuk said:
I am not necessarily talking about a military conflict here. I mean in general, economically, politically and yeah, with military power. Turkey has improved in the last decade. But not so much that they can go toe to toe with Russia in all matters.
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Yeah but I doubt NATO will allow Russia to stare down their 'ally'.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Turkey and Russia had always a pretty strange relationship though. Point is, has Turkey really a chance to stand against Russia on it's own?
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I don't think so. The average life of a Turk is far more comfortable than that of a Russian. Couple that with the harsh Russian winters and all the experience they have in different fields such as Military, Espionage, Space...

I don't think Turkey would stand a chance unless NATO came to its aid(which it will of course, not gonna let Putin annex another piece of land just because he feels like it) because aside from NATO, they don't have anything they can scare their opponent with.

Take the Chinese for instance, this is how shitty their army is:



They didn't even have an aircraft carrier up until recently!

Yet they have proven that they have the possibility to shoot any satellite within the earth's orbit if they wish so. That makes any opponent think twice before launching a single rocket at China but Turkey doesn't have anything like that.
 
Missiles, missiles, missiles, missiles.

You have nukes and no one wants to fuck with you... UNLESS they have nukes as well.
 
Maybe he lost controll over it? And it started to get out of hand ... who knows? I am feeling sorry for the moderate Turks though. You know the one that are actuall democrats and in favour of Laicism.

Dr Fallout said:
Yeah but I doubt NATO will allow Russia to stare down their 'ally'.
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Depends how the reliations will be in the future. Maybe if we can gain more from a friendship with Russia than Turkey. You could never rule out the possibility that in 20 years Russia will be more moderate while Turkey more radical and a dictatorship under Erdogan or his goons or what ever. Europe has a very strange relationship with Turkey anyway. THey like kinda talk about EU membership for decades, but when you look it realistically no one wants them really in the EU.
 
We could just kick Turkey out via the NAO, however that'll go. Turkey has called NATO to its aid more times than any other country yet continues to slope down the road to an authoritarian state. Screw em and cut em loose.
 
I'm not sure NATO can afford to lose Turkey's highly strategic location. Not in a world where Russia is flexing its muscles again.

Plus, it's not like NATO has ever been shy of working with authoritarian states when it suits them. Saudi Arabia isn't exactly a paradise of freedom and equality. So long as leadership in Turkey is stable and sides with them (or at least never sides with Russia), I doubt the West cares that much about Erdogan's boner for dictatorship.

Albeit it IS worrying to see what used to be a fairly progressive state fall back into authoritarism, with its people's (apparent) approval no less. Then again, the military coup seems so inept, I wouldn't even be surprised if archives got declassified in a few decades and we learn it was a setup to excuse Erdogan doing his best Stalin impression and silencing all those he doesn't like.
 
The fuck does the west care about Turkey being a dictatorship or not. Just like you say. As long they don't bite the hand that feeds them. Nothing will really happen. Even if Erdogan would throw the Alevi in concentration camps. We will continue to make deals with them, while our politicans say how bad things are in Turkey and how unaccabtable that is! And that they wish Turkey would return to democracy and all that. I don't see why that attitude should change. Unless Turkey becomes the next Daesh state.
 
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this is all those pro coup went
 
Hey now if Erdogan makes himself the Sultan (Padishah) and starts flexing his muscles, the sun of the east will always rise to crush the moon of the west :smug:

In all seriousness though Turkey is kinda fucked for the time being. ISIL/Kurd attacks with a militant pretty much dictator is gonna set the country back. Turkey stopped being any sort of regional or world power post world war 1 and even before that they were never the strongest presence in the region, post 16th century (more so 17th century but their power begins to fall into question around the 16th with he rise of the shia safavids to the east.)

So I doubt they really stand any chance against Russia or really pose any threat to the sovereignty of Syria or Iraq. Considering Iran would not take kindly to hostile action against their allies and it MIGHT garner some sort of international backlash. I doubt a war with Russia is on the way any time soon. Due to the fact hostilities don't seem to be very high right now and it has the potential to escalate very quickly and complicate relations.

Could they go 1v1 against Russia? No probably not. They poses a large army and the Russian army isn't THAT much bigger but I don't remember them fighting any major conflicts recently (not as an assisting force) or going against anyone who poses any real threat. Their army is probably at least somewhat competent but their country is rather unstable and despite being mountainous I could see turkey being abit of a push over considering it can be overwhelmed and reached by Russia much more easily. Its definitely less defensible than Iran.
 
Actually, what I really don't understand are the Turkish here in Germany which voted for Erdogan and all the stuff he's doing. I mean seriously ... it's ... so weird.

My room mate works with a lot of turkish coworkers, and he said how someone told him that he is in favour for the death penalty. My room mate asked him if he also wants it for Germany? And the answer he got was, like no, no of course not!

They anjoy a hell lot of freedom here and god knows a lot of stuff has improved for the turkish. And? What happens? Cuz many have the feeling that they are always discriminated or something ... they voted for Erdogan to teach the Germans a lesson or something.

As the child of serbian immigrants, I can't describe how gratefull I am to be born in Germany and to enjoy this culture, despite the racism I faces a couple of times, hell I even had some serious issues with Neo-Nazis once. But do I start to glorify Serbia now?
 
Crni Vuk said:
Actually, what I really don't understand are the Turkish here in Germany which voted for Erdogan and all the stuff he's doing. I mean seriously ... it's ... so weird.

My room mate works with a lot of turkish coworkers, and he said how someone told him that he is in favour for the death penalty. My room mate asked him if he also wants it for Germany? And the answer he got was, like no, no of course not!

They anjoy a hell lot of freedom here and god knows a lot of stuff has improved for the turkish. And? What happens? Cuz many have the feeling that they are always discriminated or something ... they voted for Erdogan to teach the Germans a lesson or something.

As the child of serbian immigrants, I can't describe how gratefull I am to be born in Germany and to enjoy this culture, despite the racism I faces a couple of times, hell I even had some serious issues with Neo-Nazis once. But do I start to glorify Serbia now?
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Yeah thats weird, as far as I can tell Erdogan hasnt really done anything too good for Turkey. Other than trying to be a strong man like Putin.
 
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