- The Think Tank is unfunny.
- I'm not impressed by Legate Lanius or the showdown with him.
- Tangentially, I don't find Caesar's dialogue anything profound. He name-drops Hegel once and people are blown away? Please.
- The first quarter of F:NV is superior to the rest.
- FO2 is neither the best nor the quintessential Fallout game.
- FO1 is superior to all its successors.
- FO2 is neither the best nor the quintessential Fallout game.
- FO1 is superior to all its successors.
2, F2 version of what the Vault Dweller became after F1, and his alledged founding of a group who turned into backwards tribals, is a insult and a major tone down to Fallout 1 ending.
Yeah, I read that in Fallout 2 manual for years. If it make sense, or not, isn't the point. The tone, power, possibilities, final vision of Fallout 1 ending get completely nullified if you buy this piece of bad writting quickly putted together for no good reason. If they wanted a tribal start so much, then the tribe could have been any tribe with drough problems, and holodisks speaking of a so called holy artifact coming from anywhere, from traders to old ruins, and the game would have been the same if it's what they wanted.
Anyway, it's only my opinion, which I can't even explain the way I see it, so I won't try.
But, I forgot earlier:
There is too many pre war america in Vegas, too many old computer still working with history of 'yeah baby, america', too many old posters even in loading screen about corporate spies, and 'america, yeah baby'.
Give a rest to fucking america, it has ceased to exist after the bombs and nobody in a Fallout game should give a damn about it, if they even know what it was, which most shoudn't anyway.
Another one for my list: I don't think Chris Avellone is a great writer. The companions he is responsible for in Pillars of Eternity have a similarly pretentious tone, I found.
That said, I haven't explored the full range of his work.
Here's the one that will really get me crucified. That "Inconsistent tone" people accuse of Fallout 2, that hammy comedy that's right next harrowing truths about the wasteland? That's the ideal tone of Fallout. It's this sacrilegious tone meant to set people off their norms and keep people adapting. Its a tone of whiplash that fits the nihilism of the series. It gets to be as fun and cheerful as possible one moment then show off how terrifyingly brutal the wasteland is the next. It doesn't have to artificially create this immutable sense of atmosphere, because the wasteland isn't like that. It isn't trying to make you suffer, that's just a product of human nature and the inconsistency of the world. Those are things that the franchise is all about. A lot of the other Fallout games have this sense of "trying to hard to be edgy" for me. The wasteland is a place of glorious highs and abyssal failures, and anything is possible there, which makes it the ultimate setting for telling so many different stories. The fact that it pisses off so many people just validates my belief that this is the ultimate tone for the game because the best Fallout is the Fallout that isn't afraid to piss people off.
YAS! Feed me your pretentious tears and anger. They only make me stronger!There is nothing sacrilegious in Fallout 2's worst, it's humor isn't even funny most of the time, and no it's not 'wacky' in any good way of story telling, it's not upside down or mind losing. It is just annoying, like a fly or a mosquitoe you have trouble to catch. Fallout 2 remain a lot more popular than Fallout I think, because it's 'bigger', though only in size, and because it's tone actually fit better with a larger public.
Don't talk shit about my ED-E.I can't stand Ulysses' edgy faux-intellectual ramblings and cutesy-coo ED-E made me want to puke.
Yeah, i agree with most of this (i liked ED-E though). Lonesome Road is definitely the weakest part of New Vegas to me.Lonesome Road is complete shit. Its just a slog through a linear shooting gallery, with no decent characters or stories to balance it out. I can't stand Ulysses' edgy faux-intellectual ramblings and cutesy-coo ED-E made me want to puke. What made it worse for me was that I enjoyed the base game and all the other DLCs and I left Lonesome Road until last before I finished the game. I avoided spoilers and was really excited about this DLC, meeting the Courier's nemesis in an old world military base...
But nothing makes sense and the world building is crap -there is no explanation as to why the Hopesville missiles never launched; the dead general has been ghoulifed for some reason; there's no background to the trog reskin things (they're hyped as the scariest things ever but they're not even that tough to fight); a negligible amount of radiation is released by detonating the nuclear warheads scattered around; the Divide was full of Legion troops before the detonation event but nowhere else have the Legion got so far west; the area was supposedly home to a thriving community before the event yet we see zero trace of post-War settlement; toxic searing winds and the radioactive fallout from the missiles created the marked men, yet, unlike the Sierra Madre, the environment in the Divide is not a hazard to the courier.
The whole thing seems like just a vehicle for Chris Avellone's messy personal philosophy and gamebyro's crappy FPS mechanics. At least there wasn't a turret section.
The whole thing seems like just a vehicle for Chris Avellone's messy personal philosophy and gamebyro's crappy FPS mechanics.
I posted a long pull-my-hair rant about my frustration with Ulysses, primarily his deliberate pomposity, vagueness and erratic non-philosophy. His nonsensical holotapes and the little speeches, as well as his annoying (and pretentious) habit of never spelling out organization names, instead refering to them as "the bull and the bear" and such, like some rock band lyricist or something, It just annoyed me
Apart from that, I actually did like the DLC itself, it had cool environments to shift through, although - as with all the DLCs - I was *desperately* hoping for one that featured an actual urban environment! With the Zion one, I had such high hopes, FINALLY we're going to another city! But nouuup
I posted a long pull-my-hair rant about my frustration with Ulysses, primarily his deliberate pomposity, vagueness and erratic non-philosophy. His nonsensical holotapes and the little speeches, as well as his annoying (and pretentious) habit of never spelling out organization names, instead refering to them as "the bull and the bear" and such, like some rock band lyricist or something, It just annoyed me
Apart from that, I actually did like the DLC itself, it had cool environments to shift through, although - as with all the DLCs - I was *desperately* hoping for one that featured an actual urban environment! With the Zion one, I had such high hopes, FINALLY we're going to another city! But nouuup
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Hah, nice timing Toront
And yes, I remember there were very differing opinions on how coherent Ulysses ramblings were, a debate I appreciated, cus it made my thread busy and made me appear socially adept :]
Lonesome Road while not the best gameplay wise, ended perfectly with the mad ramblings of Ulysses. It is faux-intellectual rambling most of the time, true. He is a primitive savage in a PoS world. He is a dumbass by modern respects. This all fits together for me.