USA elections

Usually I'd either say "OMG what have I done?" or "PsychoSniper, you're a retard" or something along those lines. Matter of fact, I have tried to talk sense into American nationalists often enough and seeing how Bush will get at LEAST a draw after four years of nightmarish governing I am definitely sick of trying to convince any of you fanatics.

I am anti-American. I don't hate a people or persons, I hate the fucking cattle half the world seems to behave as. I'm anti-American because America is a pefect example of sheep-minded loyalty. You can't believe Bush is good or Bush despite being dumb was a good president or that there's only a good candidate and a bad candidate. You can't, unless you've swallowed all the shit you are being fed from day to day. Nobody FORCES you to swallow it, but it is so much easier than to question "facts" and take a look at how these "facts" are presented by the various sides and try to understand the issue as a whole.

I have talked enough to Americans, read enough about America and known enough about its history to be able to "understand" why they think Bush is good for them, but the sad conclusion is that Americans are just people and people are cattle unless they refuse to.

Heck, I know how fucked up MY country is, but at least I aknowledge its fucked-up-ness. Thinking of world-wide issues in a nationalist way leads you nowhere. Bush is a danger to any balance we have internationally and that is a very big issue. Bush is a religious fanatic and he has power, that is BAD.

Now, I know I'm gonna get another fuck-you response, but if you think I'm just full of shit, try to imagine you are living in poverty and imagine your entire country was in ruins. Now imagine you see and hear about an economic super power that seemingly controls all big corporations bomb your country, your friends and relatives. They don't seem to care about you. They bomb your cities, their soldiers patrol your streets, they kill innocent people they mistake for enemies. Now imagine hearing that this foreign country's people is supporting these apparent acts of terrorism, that they cheer for their leader's crusade against your people.
You think Bush's war is right? You would fight to protect "your freedom, peace and democracy"? Well, then in this case you would join the radicals that try to lure you into their own pseudo-Islamic war on terrorism. No matter which side you are on, your guys are the good guys and the other guys are the terrorists.
 
Ashmo said:
Bush is a danger to any balance we have internationally and that is a very big issue. Bush is a religious fanatic and he has power, that is BAD.
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After Howard won the last elections here I was very tempted to move elsewhere. Now that G.W. Shrub is back in power nowhere is safe and things will further deteriorate until they grow beyond control.

Darker times are ahead people, mark my words.
 
John Titor!

*Builds fallout shelter*


Why did the fucktard concede? Is he a fucktard? Now the Prince of Darkness gets to destroy the world.
 
He will concede at 18:00 GMT.

Well if it's any consolation Ashmo, only a little more than half of American voters voted for Bush...
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First smile i had all day, i like to grab a positive lifeboat anytime something negative happens, that has to do for today.

I`ll put my impressions later, need to rest a bit, and to gain some distance on the numbers and analisys i´m reading and watching.

Just one idea, the reinforced Republican majority in the Senate, the majority in the House, and the troop movements around Faludja really make me worried, the second time i feel this way after the end of the Iron Curtain. The first was on 9/11. I have the gut feeling this election will have worse effects on our colective future than the american failure at Somalia or the end of the prosperity decade after the dotcom bublle burst. Oh well.

Thanks for the interesting replies like the one by 4Too or the one by Colt, i know that keeping calm about politics is impossible, but if we at least could stay on topic instead of discussing things like Vietnam could prove to be more productive.
 
Well hats off to the Republicans. They really pulled off quite a feat. Considering all the things Bush had going against him, an amazing win.

I think much of this has to do with the "get out the vote" which the republicans did better than the democrats. Much of that might have been the evengelical vote, or the rural vote, or maybe much of that was the personal attacks against Kerry.

For much of the past few weeks it seemed that Kerry was on the defense, and he needed to be more hard hitting than he was. But I admit I am disappointed. I really liked Kerry and thought he would make a better president than Bush.

That said, hard to tell what will be the consequences. More tax breaks for the rich, less education for poor and minorities, more difficulties for the middle class, the possibility of going for another war, less civil liberties, more religion and state mix.

American has voted in this government and will have to pay for it.

Had Kerry won he would have had problems passing his poslicies through a republican congress.

Oh well. Here comes another four years of George Bush. What will the country and the world look like in four more years?

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On other thing- Understandably this is an election and there are strong emotions. But you guys are getting a bit nasty here. The rules of the forum are no flaming- so no flaming. You have been warned.
 
One REALLY disappointing thing about this election is that if you look close enough, it becomes clear that this election was a referendum against homosexuals. The gay marriage issue was played up heavily, and the bible-thumping bigots in rural areas got together with their fellow congregations to vote in large numbers. In 11 states, legislation banning gay marriage were voted into law -- and some of those ban gay civil unions, as well.

The sad thing is, since Bush abandoned his push for a constitutional amendment, his and Kerry's stance on the issue has been IDENTICAL.

As someone I know put it, voters said "I'm willing to re-elect an incompetent, lying, ignorant, warmongering president because I think two guys kissing is gross."
 
You're right on that. And that's a scary thing. But the US has often been a conservative country, slow towards progressivism and equality.

Blacks took about 100 years after the Civil war, women get the vote and another 60 years before ERA becomes an issue. And even those groups that have equality have seen it eroded over the last 20 years.

So yes, this is disappointing but not surprising if unfortunate.
 
Hats off for the majority that voted Bush.

If a jet rams into a nuclear plant in the next four years, I won't be crying for you, you fucking deserved it.

How will the world look in four years? Hell, Patriot Act III: Giddyup horsey! I'm Teh President 4 life! Amen!
 
Meh, more or less predicted outcome. Fuck it, though.
Yesterday an American immigrant here said the following thing: "If Bush becomes president through the majority of votes, I'll give up my American nationality. If Bush becomes elected without the popular vote, I'll continue to fight against him."
I think that the worst thing about it all is not that Bush got re-elected, but that a majority of the American people have shown that they don't care about honesty, equality and proper democracy. I think that this could very well mean the beginning of a semi-constant reign of Republicans, especially now that no-one is willing to change the voting process and the Democrats are becoming more and more splintered.

As I've said, this will push the USA from the international stage as a superpower, and either Europe or one or more Asian countries will take over. The benevolent reign of the USA will come to an end, and others will take over.
 
Well, we'll see. If Bush's second term is as disastrous as his first, god forbid, I guarantee there won't be a Republican in the White House after 2008's elections.
 
Jesus Buttfucking Christ, not again. Idiots!

Seriously though, nothing good can come of this. I think that the world will see that by 2008.

Sander said:
As I've said, this will push the USA from the international stage as a superpower, and either Europe or one or more Asian countries will take over. The benevolent reign of the USA will come to an end, and others will take over.
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The USA's hardcore religious right-wing republican conservatism will be their downfall. I predict that India will become more important and maybe even China if their government would stop being a bunch of commies and let capitalism loose.

[lol] And the European Union will be reduced to a bunch of quarreling, bickering, nation-states; bent on controlling the last remaining resources on earth. [/lol]

Corpse said:
Darker times are ahead people, mark my words.
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Lord Inquisitor Baboonius said:
John Titor!
*Builds fallout shelter*
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Exactly What I was thinking.

welsh said:
Oh well. Here comes another four years of George Bush. What will the country and the world look like in four more years?
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Something really bad is going to happen in the next 4 years. Because of Bush, but he is only the product of a system in the USA that encourages this sort of thing.

Wooz said:
If a jet rams into a nuclear plant in the next four years, I won't be crying for you, you fucking deserved it.
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Seriously, if another 9/11 happens, the American People will know why. (Well, at least I'll know why. Most Americans will probably be like "WTF?")

MrSmileyFaceDude said:
Well, we'll see. If Bush's second term is as disastrous as his first, god forbid, I guarantee there won't be a Republican in the White House after 2008's elections.
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You guys will be lucky if it doesn't get NUKED! :?
 
I'm realy not religous, but i pray that democracy in the US is strong enough to control this fu***g d***d m*****ing son of a b**h.

Realy...

Tzzzz.... I pray against a religious fanatic... isn't that ironic? :?
 
Hardly.

Yes, I got to say I am surprised by the popular vote and, while I sympthize with Wooz, it does speak to the cultural current in the US.

That said, nearly half the country didn't vote for Bush. In my city, it was something like 75% Kerry but in a largely rural state. Go over the mountain to Malk's side of Virginia and the Republicans were out in force.

It's amazing considering the record-
Bush botches the economy, terrorism, iraq, is destroying our schools and our education, is making the rich richer and the poor poorer. He blows the debates. Damn. The guy has got nothing going for him, and still he wins.

And yet this is a democratic process. A act of violence given this election is an act of intended despotism.

So sorry Wooz, but no. I don't like the result and think it's very bad for the country, but I don't think flying another plane into a building is the answer.

I think the country is going culturally in a particular direction. When you have priests telling people on Sunday that they have to oppose gay marriage- and ignore everything else, you got to wonder what the fuck is the church thinking. When the Catholics said "vote against abortion" I ask "what about vote against war, or poverty, or injustice, or discrimination?"

And yes, CCR, will say that I am suspicious of conservative conspiracies, but this kind of thing doesn't happen overnight. Is it the "faith-based" initiatives or that Republicans were campaigning in churches? I don't know.

But the country is tilted in a particular cultural direction and the values it exposes are frightening. But then I'm pretty liberal these days.

What will change that- maybe when Bush sends us to another war and we have thousands of soldiers dieing and there is a draft. Maybe when the air is so filled with poisons or the racial divides are so aggregious that blacks and whites are killing each other. Maybe then, the culture will swing away from this religious conservativism and start becoming more progressive.

I am really disappointed with this and worry about the next four years. But that's the democratic process- it doesn't get the best results but its still better than the rest.
 
Yet again, this proves about 50% of the Americans are a waste of oxygen. Thank you.
 
I said it before and I'll say it again. If Bill Clinton was able to run for another term, Bush the Idiot wouldn't even have been an afterthought.

Gore looked too stiff and didn't have much of a personality. Kerry didn't go on the offensive enough and had some fishy dealings after his stint in Vietnam. IMO, these reasons along with the religious groups is why we're stuck in the mud once again. I'm just happy my state went blue.

Now, everybody should vote for me in the future when I run for president. It'll be fun. :wink:
 
Lord Inquisitor Baboonius said:
Why did the fucktard concede? Is he a fucktard? Now the Prince of Darkness gets to destroy the world.
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He conceded because he knew he lost the election, and by not being a poor sport about it he gains some goodwill and increases his chances of winning in 2008.
 
I said it before and I'll say it again. If Bill Clinton was able to run for another term, Bush the Idiot wouldn't even have been an afterthought.
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Fuck right. Lousy traditions being enforced as an ammendment. =(


I think its funny how people consider Bush's victory in 2000 an affront to Democracy since he won without the popular vote, and now that he has won with the popular vote they see it as a failure of Democracy.


Well if it's any consolation Ashmo, only a little more than half of American voters voted for Bush...
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Yeah, as if every vote for Kerry was an "enlightened" one. I know Welsh would like everyone to think otherwise, but the sad fact is that a significant number of Democrats are dullards that swallow whatever activists and liberals shove in their mouths.

Eitherway, Ashmo's correct in that Americans have a cattle mentality.
 
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