What was the Funniest Argument You've had with a Bethesda Apologist?

SiriusShenanigans said:
I used to be in a meetup group with a person who worked at bethesda as a level designer. He was trying to tell me that Fallout 4 was going to be amazing and way better than any of the previous games. I remembered initially asking him if he had played any of the old fallout games, and of course he told me they hadn't. I took some time to regale him about the experiences of fallout 2, asking if there will be anything like the Modoc Gold Watch quest and if you could do something as story worthy as blowing up an outhouse. His response was:

"Oh, well we can't do anything that complicated on our engine."
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A game from 2015 can't do a thing from a game that was made in 1998. The Gamebryo engine is really garbage.
 
SiriusShenanigans said:
I used to be in a meetup group with a person who worked at bethesda as a level designer. He was trying to tell me that Fallout 4 was going to be amazing and way better than any of the previous games. I remembered initially asking him if he had played any of the old fallout games, and of course he told me they hadn't. I took some time to regale him about the experiences of fallout 2, asking if there will be anything like the Modoc Gold Watch quest and if you could do something as story worthy as blowing up an outhouse. His response was:

"Oh, well we can't do anything that complicated on our engine."

I then asked if we would be able to mod the game to put monocles and tiny hats on the mirelurks, and they were pretty darn sure they could do that. It just seems that with more technology the stories have only become more limited in their scope by the over all engine. But hey, monocles and tophats!
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Judging from what I've read about that quest in the wiki (Been a few years since I last played 2 and I don't think I've experienced that quest) it kinda reminds me of that one vault in New Vegas with the flammable gas that lights up the entire vault if a grenade explodes killing the mutant plant life.

So that guy seems like he's full of shit.
 
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SiriusShenanigans said:
I used to be in a meetup group with a person who worked at bethesda as a level designer. He was trying to tell me that Fallout 4 was going to be amazing and way better than any of the previous games. I remembered initially asking him if he had played any of the old fallout games, and of course he told me they hadn't. I took some time to regale him about the experiences of fallout 2, asking if there will be anything like the Modoc Gold Watch quest and if you could do something as story worthy as blowing up an outhouse. His response was:

"Oh, well we can't do anything that complicated on our engine."

I then asked if we would be able to mod the game to put monocles and tiny hats on the mirelurks, and they were pretty darn sure they could do that. It just seems that with more technology the stories have only become more limited in their scope by the over all engine. But hey, monocles and tophats!
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Ha, cars can emulate nuclear explosion, but the damn engine can't accomplish blowing up an outhouse?
 
Black Angel said:
Ha, cars can emulate nuclear explosion, but the damn engine can't accomplish blowing up an outhouse?
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it's way more complex, it requires a high number of individual objects, each with physics applied.
of course, they could just turn the outhouse into a destroyed outhouse with no transition or additional elements and just mask it with an explosion (they did it with megaton in f3)
 
mef said:
it's way more complex, it requires a high number of individual objects, each with physics applied.
of course, they could just turn the outhouse into a destroyed outhouse with no transition or additional elements and just mask it with an explosion (they did it with megaton in f3)
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Then they should've done that, as I'm not asking for minute-to-minute, seconds-to-seconds detailed realistic explosions. I mean, even Fallout 1&2 already did explosion scenes cheaply. Big ass explosions like with the Cathedral, Mariposa, and Oil Rig were shown through cinematic cut scene. Even the aforementioned outhouse explosion were completely skipped into the outhouse completely blown away, instead of showing the process in which the outhouse exploded.
 
Black Angel said:
Then they should've done that, as I'm not asking for minute-to-minute, seconds-to-seconds detailed realistic explosions. I mean, even Fallout 1&2 already did explosion scenes cheaply. Big ass explosions like with the Cathedral, Mariposa, and Oil Rig were shown through cinematic cut scene. Even the aforementioned outhouse explosion were completely skipped into the outhouse completely blown away, instead of showing the process in which the outhouse exploded.
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Bethesda seems to be under the impression that Fallout fans want the series to be more like mainstream shooters like CoD in terms of graphics and gameplay which is just wrong on every level.
 
AureliusofPheonix said:
Bethesda seems to be under the impression that Fallout fans want the series to be more like mainstream shooters like CoD in terms of graphics and gameplay which is just wrong on every level.
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The problem is most likely in Beth's definition of the term "Fallout fans". They think "Fallout fans" are the ones who fellated them over their additions to the franchise with YouTube videos and epic may-mays about TUNNEL SNAKES. To use corporate lingo, we're not their target audience.
 
AureliusofPheonix said:
Bethesda seems to be under the impression that Fallout fans want the series to be more like mainstream shooters like CoD in terms of graphics and gameplay which is just wrong on every level.
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Classic fallout fans don't want that, but the Bethesda fallout fans do. And let's not forget that classic fallout fans are a minority, so what we want and don't want doesn't mean shit to Bethesda. Sad but true.
 
My nephew is exactly the kind of person Fallout 3 was aimed at (ie, a child) so I didn't go too hard on him, but after convincing him to try the originals, he was pissed off at how completely different they were to Fallout 3 in every way. But it still took several days for him to understand I don't think Fallout 3 has anything to do with Fallout for exactly the same reason he doesn't think Fallout has anything to do with Fallout 3.
 
I found these to be pretty entertaining

Do NOT purchase this piece of trash!
Do not be fooled into assuming this is a "great, amazing, and perfect game," like almost anyone you talk to says. This mess of a game is absolutely atrocious. You barely can get the money to purchase healing items and gear for the journey, the whole faction war going on does not help matter (esp. if the faction has REALLY good defensive gear and wearing their stuff makes you the bane of the universe -_- ). and overall this game just does not scream Fallout to me. I mean come on at least in Fallout 3 and 4 you can get a rhythm going to where to can sell random gear and stuff you get for at least 10 stimpacks per minor quest! This is more of a "hey you get 1 stimpack, and maybe a rubber band if you're lucky!" To wrap up this review, Garbage game, do not get, go get Fallout 3 and/or 4.

Disappointment
Fallout 3 is much better. If you are a fallout fan do not waste your money on this. you will regret it. i bought this game the week it came out beat it,and then sold it to buy fallout 3 back. it was just horrible in comparison. Please do not waste your money on this game.

Source: https://www.gamestop.com/games/fallout-new-vegas-ultimate-edition/98327
 
Bubblemindblow said:
I found these to be pretty entertaining

Do NOT purchase this piece of trash!
Do not be fooled into assuming this is a "great, amazing, and perfect game," like almost anyone you talk to says. This mess of a game is absolutely atrocious. You barely can get the money to purchase healing items and gear for the journey, the whole faction war going on does not help matter (esp. if the faction has REALLY good defensive gear and wearing their stuff makes you the bane of the universe -_- ). and overall this game just does not scream Fallout to me. I mean come on at least in Fallout 3 and 4 you can get a rhythm going to where to can sell random gear and stuff you get for at least 10 stimpacks per minor quest! This is more of a "hey you get 1 stimpack, and maybe a rubber band if you're lucky!" To wrap up this review, Garbage game, do not get, go get Fallout 3 and/or 4.

Disappointment
Fallout 3 is much better. If you are a fallout fan do not waste your money on this. you will regret it. i bought this game the week it came out beat it,and then sold it to buy fallout 3 back. it was just horrible in comparison. Please do not waste your money on this game.

Source: https://www.gamestop.com/games/fallout-new-vegas-ultimate-edition/98327
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If by entertaining you mean rage-inducing

>waaah I need more stimpaks
Motherfucker I was swimming in them by the time I reached endgame in FNV. 114. One Hundred and Fourteen. That's not counting the ones I crafted into Auto-Inject Stimpaks, I think I had a couple dozen of those.
>waaah why does faction gear put a target on me
I never even used or needed faction gear. I was able to easily get by with basic Leather Armor for a long time. I'm not some 1337 pro-gamer either so what's your excuse?
>waaah this doesn't scream Fallout to me
Fucking Bethbabies. It's closer to Fallout than FO3 ever was.
 
I don't get the argument that fallout new vegas doesn't feel like a fallout game. Seriously every thing that makes fallout is in that game except turn based combat. Seriously what the fuck is a fallout game to the bethestards.
 
ironmask said:
I don't get the argument that fallout new vegas doesn't feel like a fallout game. Seriously every thing that makes fallout is in that game except turn based combat. Seriously what the fuck is a fallout game to the bethestards.
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Shooting and looting with not much context. Oh and the Fallout universe has to be in perpetual shit or it's not Fallout.

New Vegas is the only 3D game that translated the themes of the first two games correctly.
 
Norzan said:
Shooting and looting with not much context.
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Oh but Norzan you forget, Fallout 4 did have context: SHAAWWN. Ugh Bethesda Fallout is developing into a format; Vault dweller is part of experiment. Family member goes missing. Find family member, with Shayamalan levels of stupid twists. Shitty villains (though I liked Kellog; he reminded me a bit of myself in some ways). Rinse and fucking repeat. If that's what Fallout is to those people then I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 
As long as fallout is in the hands of Bethesda then every fallout game will be about some vault dweller searching for a lost family member because fuck creativity and good writing they got money. We are talking about the company that makes every fucking elder scrolls game about a prisoner saving the world. The lead writer of Bethesda motto is literally "keep it simple".
 
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