What's Trump up to now?

Not an opinion, like I said a Fact, except of course if you're living in some kind of strange bubble. This might come as a surprise to some, but the US is not the world. The middle east of TODAY is a very fucked up place and a lot of it can be traced down to the direct and indirect involvement of the United States, their military and politics. And that is only one reagion. You could as well go to South America and ask around there, how much good the US did for them. The fact that 'others' fuck shit up as well, is again not a defence or argument of any kind but just a straw man. If I shot your mother, would you accept that as argument? Like but your mother shoot my dad! Or beacuse someone is shooting someone else mother, it would be ok for me to do the same. Don't be ridiculous.

This isn't a contest, but the simple question of who has the most potential to do damage and who has done a lot of damage in the recent past. It is no secret that the US has the most military bases around the world and that they have the largest military as well. The problem with power is, that none is safe from corruption here or missusing it. And again the, we have to do it or others will do it! Isn't an argument. Preemptive strikes is what lead to the shit we saw in Irak, and Bush and his advicors should have faced a trial for this since it was all based on lies.

DarkCorp said:
@Crni Vuk

I wouldn't call Putins SU speech, 'moving forward'. I wouldn't call the Chinese construction of man made islands, as a power projection tool/stand in for aircraft carriers, 'moving forward'. I wouldn't call N. Koreas rhetoric of uniting the two with force under communism, 'moving forward'.
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Why don't you compare Russia to the Soviet Union or Maos China to today, and you would clearly see a sense of improvement here. No one ever said that Russia is a democracy or China a beacon for freedom. But we're seeing progress here, bit for bit where as the US is right now, after Obama left office is with Trump in a state of degeneration and it is a question of how much resistance will be in the population so the damage won't be to heavy.

Look at the recent decision by El Trumpo to support the 'coal miners' of america while fucking everything up at the same time and that is by far not the only one, fossil fuel is also on the decline and he is investing in it ...
He seems very keen on his promise to cut all kinds of regulations back as well, cuz it's all for the jobs! Who the hell needs clean water, air and all that shitty leftist and liberal garbage like trees and green stuff anyway, right? We can live in a polluted environment, as long as we have jobs to pay with overpriced and private health care for all the cancer and other issues it's causing.
 
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@Crni Vuk and Walpknut

But you guys say the same damn thing though.

'Look at all the U.S. bases around the world. If the U.S. does it, Russia and China should too'. Not only that, you have repeatedly said that Chinese and Russia expansion is perfectly understandable because, 'the U.S. does it too'.

A bit hypocritical much? I mean, I could get all arrogant and say that two wrongs do not make a right. I could say, that just because the west does something, doesn't mean it s good for everyone else. But, and let us be honest here, that would be stupid. The world doesn't run on idealism.



The topic isn't about how the government of the PRC and Russia works, it is about their desire to compete against the U.S. The fact that Putin created the CSTO, his involvement in Ukraine and Syria, SHOWS, unequivocally, that he wants to Make Russia Great Again. The PRC as well, has big plans for Asia. This is simply reality, nations COMPETE with one another.

I will say again, even in a world where things were switched, a world where the SU and its allies won the cold war, things will largely play out the same way. HISTORY ITSELF, shows that there will ALWAYS be a HEGEMON. There will ALWAYS, be a country that is 'fucking shit up'.

In our past discussions, you have flat out said that you think a Russian or Chinese hegemony would be better than a U.S. one. I, of course, think that is absolutely ludicrous but hey, that's just my opinion.

Again, I think science and technology will get us to Star Trek one day, hopefully soon, but definitely not now. Right now, it is either U.S. hegemony or a power vacuum with Russia, China, India, and whoever the fuck else, competing with each other in an endless series of proxy wars. It proved correct in the past, I have no doubt in my mind it would through the present and the near future.
 
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DarkCorp said:
'Look at all the U.S. bases around the world. If the U.S. does it, Russia and China should too'. Not only that, you have repeatedly said that Chinese and Russia expansion is perfectly understandable because, 'the U.S. does it too'.
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Understandable yes, I also (think) to perfectly understand why the US is acting like a dick to everyone. However, that is not an excuse, not for the Chinese, Not for Russia and not for the US. For the case you forgot it, I said repeteadly that Putin is an asshole for what he did in Crimea and their actions in Ukraine and what he's doing now in Syria is just as shit. And yes, France and Britain did a lot of shit with Lybia and with Gadafi and it was wrong in my opinion that France bombed Syra after the Paris attacks and all of those nations are whores yada yada. Do I always have to type a list of nations I believe have done some serious shit or something before I can critize the US? Is that the only way to make them happy?

But the bigest fish in the barrel right now, is simply the United States of fucking America. How many times do I have to repeat that?

Besides, where did I say Russia or China's actions would be justified? Just because I can understand it, doesn't mean it's alright. And neither have I said the US is always wrong. See, the US government is also doing a lot of good things like humanitarian aid, but right now this fucking monkey of a President is well dimnishing a lot of it by cuting stuff left and right.

DarkCorp said:
The world doesn't run on idealism.
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Yeah, well if only people like Bush or Obama thought the same, maybe we wouldn't have seen some 100 000 killed people in the middle east, probably even more, because some jackass with a power complex thought he had to bring Democracy to all of those barbarians out there.

Seriously though, where does Walp or I talk about idealism? We're talking about policies that kill people. Like as what we have seen with the war in Irak. Do I have always to mention Russia is shit, before I am allowed to mention that the US government fucked this one up? Com on, deep down you damn well know that people like Bush, Nixon or even Obama would have faced a trial for war crimes if the situation was a bit different. Just because a lof of nations decide to give a shit about international laws, doesn't mean they don't exist, and this has nothing to do with idealism.
 
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Crni Vuk said:
The problem with power is, that none is safe from corruption here or missusing it.
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There hasn't been a major war among the major nations in over 70+ years. I know Europeans are blue balled they haven't killed a couple million in sometime, but jeez this is getting ridiculous.

Besides no matter how smug you are, this is PAX AMERICANA, MOTHER FUCKER!
 
@Crni Vuk

And you still do not understand what I am saying Crni.

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US is acting like a dick to everyone
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We have to, don't you understand? If we tell China they cannot attack Taiwan, we are being a dicks. If we say Putin better not screw with NATO or the ex-soviet states, we are being dicks. If we tell people not to fuck with Israel, we are being dicks. The other alternative is to let countries do whatever the fuck they want.

What I am trying to get you to understand is that SOMEONE will ALWAYS be the HEGEMON. There HAS to be a hegemon to keep order, as in not create a power vacuum between the MAJOR POWERS.

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not an excuse, not for the Chinese, Not for Russia and not for the US.
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I am not talking about moralism here Crni, I am talking about real politik. I use Russia and China as an example to show that other nations also want to power project AKA, boss others around.

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Just because I can understand it,
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If you can understand why Putin will NEVER tow the line and let the U.S. lead, or China for that matter, than you should realise your pie in the sky idealism will NEVER work. Russia wants to boss other countries around. China wants to boss other countries around. It just so happens that the U.S is around to keep everyone else, IN LINE. China, if you attack Taiwan we will fuck your shit up. Putin, push us too far and we too, will fuck your shit up. This does not have to be full military or nuclear. This will be in the forms of sanctions and proxy warfare.

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cuting stuff left and right.
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This has nothing to do with American hegemony.

CrniVuk said:
Just because a lof of nations decide to give a shit about international laws, doesn't mean they don't exist, and this has nothing to do with idealism.
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In the real world, you fight fire with fire. Had the U.S. stayed passive, then eventually, the SU would win by sheer numbers. Had America only entered WW 2 after the Nazis had taken over all of the USSR and Europe, it would have been too fucking late.

The fact that you think the world does not need or should not have a hegemon, is naïve idealism of the highest caliber.
 
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It's still not as bad loke chinese restaurants storing raw duck meat on their stair ways. Yes, a restaurant in Germany did that.
 


Footage from some random Trump protest. It's only going to get worse. I saw this coming a long time ago. Imagine what the riots will be like when even the 'snowflakes' are armed. It's what NRA always dreamed of, a US civil war.



Lol @ Jesus will judge you - guy kicking a dude on the ground.
 
JO'Geran said:
It's kinda weird that people are praising the guy who punched the woman with dreadlocks, when by the looks of it, she was the only person in the camera who wasn't attacking anyone.
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Yea. Looks like this is 'ok' now in US, or 'normal'. The 'new normal', violence in general, getting 'freebies' in the form of assaulting folks in these 'protests' and it's just 'ok' with no cops in sight. Was that too many 's?

Anyway, guys wearing like MMA-style gloves so they can hit without injuring their hands, and folks on both sides with those large pepper spray cans. And knives I guess what a guy in another video says, and M-80's, which are small explosives.

Edit. This is all because of Trump promising to release his tax info. And then backtracking. And then sort of promising to show them. Then not showing. Etc. etc. ad nauseam. Hence, riots.

I have to say, I prefer the more peaceful and dare I say reasonable Finnish politics to this stuff.
 
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Anyway, guys wearing like MMA-style gloves so they can hit without injuring their hands, and folks on both sides with those large pepper spray cans. And knives I guess what a guy in another video says, and M-80's, which are small explosives.
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This is why I hate most people. There always way to willing to fight each other over petty bullshit.
 
TheGM said:
Seeing all those commies getting their socialists asses getting kicked is great.
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Wow, what a nice and reasonable person you must be IRL.
When you step up be prepared to be knocked the fuck down.
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Did you actually watch the video? Or read my post? Since you clearly lack basic reading skills, or the ability to watch a video, I'll put this in capitals so its clear what I was saying.

SHE WAS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE CAMERA SHOT NOT ATTACKING ANYONE.

She was literally unarmed, just standing there, when the guy ran towards her, grabbed her and punched her. He was not defending anyone, nor himself. She wasn't stepping up, she was punched just out of the fucking blue.

People are defending a random attack for no apparent reason.
 
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JO'Geran said:
Wow, what a nice and reasonable person you must be IRL.
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I'm a fucking joy to be around. but i'm gonna knock a couple points off for you falling for that low quality bait.
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Did you actually watch the video?
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Indeed I did, and if you did too you would've noticed she jumps in with her hands up looking for a fight, and a fight she found.

Well as much of a fight a 90 pound person is going to find anyway. But whateves, Equal Rights, Equal fights I say.
 
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Indeed I did, and if you did too you would've noticed she jumps in with her hands up looking for a fight, and a fight she found.
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If some big ass guy was running towards you aggressively, wouldn't you try and push him away?

Also, She hadn't attacked anyone yet.

She just appears to be running in, then standing there. In other words, NOT YET INVOLVED IN FIGHTING ANYONE.

If she actually attacked or threatened someone, this would be a different story. But she didn't, so the other guy was clearly the aggressor here.
 
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If some big ass guy was running towards you aggresively, wouldn't you try and push him away?
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Generally speaking when somebody is running at you, you don't jump toward them. even more so when you weigh 90 fuck pounds. dumbass thought the fearless girl statue was a pro tip or something.

As for somebody running at me. I'd like to see them fucking try.
 
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Generally speaking when somebody is running at you, you don't jump toward them. even more so when you weigh 90 fuck pounds. dumbass thought the fearless girl statue was a pro tip or something.
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So she responded poorly.

Point is, the guy still attacked someone for no apparent reason.
 
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