X12 said:
Ok, I am not a fan boy. Just because i enjoy the game, doesnt mean im a fan boy. I am not saying Fallout 3 "IZ TEH GRETEST GAEM EVA!!!1"
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also i just found out that the FEV used in Vault 87 was an INFERIOR version, not the same, perfected version from Mariposa.
They didnt modify anything, they just added. These are DIFFERENT super mutants.
Its not bullshit. Its logic.
I just think that...
Its very possible that...
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Sorry if im being a devil's advocate, i just feel compelled to.
Just.
Fucking.
STOP!!!
There are too many things wrong with your posts and how you approach this topic for me to cohesively address them without losing any sense of rational structure, so this is going to be very schizophrenic.
For starters, you repeatedly disown the label of "fanboy", yet you ARE one, and you can't even see it. There have been panels and genuine debates and discussions on what makes a fanboy, so it's not like I'm just insisting this without any consensus to back me up. Fanboyism isn't anointed to those with an undying passion for a subject- at least it's not ONLY limited to those types of behaviors. It's also part and parcel to having a mere fondness for some kind of material, but the crucial aspect that makes a fanboy is the cyclical arguing they use to justify their own preferences IN SPITE OF import details, like their validity, or counter arguments. Fanboys aren't inherently wrong, but they're stubbornly persistent, no matter what is presented to them, and their reasoning is almost entirely their own, and it's typically warped logic designed to serve its own ends, not actually follow critical thinking. It doesn't matter that you think NOT being in love with FO3 makes you not a fanboy; that's not what makes you a fanboy. Someone raise a point against FO3? You have to come up with YOUR OWN explanation for why they're probably wrong. Part of the subject gets dissected? You don't like it, so you raise an anecdotal point. It goes on and on. The repeating trend being that it's all YOUR OWN ideas. The phrases "I think that", "I found that" "I just feel" repeat themselves again and again in your posts. Not JUST in this thread, either. Facts aren't what YOU think, they're absolutes, and in a work of fiction such as FO3, we can only speculate in the areas that aren't written in stone, but for the rest of the areas, we MUST abide by the stated facts. Not deny them simply because we don't like the zeal with which many users like to address them.
Yes, this site harbors Classic Fallout fanboyism. That's by design, as this is one of the few places fans of the originals can go and find a community of likewise sentiments. But that doesn't make the ENTIRE FORUM some blind "FO3 is bad and if you don't 100% agree WE WILL EAT YOU!!!" fanboy cult, which you repeatedly assert that it is. That's irritating. Many here will take the time to address the GOOD points of something that's more or less universally detested, and carry on a civil discussion on the topic, despite their own reservations about it. THAT'S a Devil's Advocate, not what you're doing. It's largely taboo here to make topics dedicated to FOBOS, but that's because the subject got so ferocious that the entire sub-forum was "dipped" (NMA's term for being removes, deleted, locked, etc), but you can still broach the subject and discuss it here, despite that taboo. It's only a sentiment, it isn't a law. I've carried out many conversations that included FOBOS in the subject, and praised certain things I liked about it, without those discussions erupting into a never-ending flame war. The same is true for FO3. The CONSENSUS is that it's more parts bad than good, which is why it is to be despised, but there are no "NMA Police" going around telling users they cannot like it. Just look at Makta.
*kisses* You know I'll always throw you under the bus. ;D Total FO3 Apologist, but is he bashed for it? Is he celebrated for being cooky? No. He likes FO3 equally on par with FONV, and he isn't alone.
What makes you different is how dead-set you seem to be to start a war with this whole fucking forum over YOUR personal likes and dislikes. Your first 3 posts all included the same irritating sentiment: "People here are always..." Many users here lurked for extended periods before they finally contributed, and some dove straight into discussion, while others took the time to make introductions. You started your NMA career with alienation and spite, and that hasn't let up much. STOP IT! There are plenty of users on this site that I just don't like, but that doesn't stop me from carrying on civil discourse with them, provided the opportunity to do so. Your interactions here don't have to have irreversible consequence. Just stop! Stop being so negative and so condescending and stop fighting to the bitter end when the insurmountable tide is going against you. Stop using token phrases to assert your point, rather than the strength of your point, itself (e.g. "It's logic!" doesn't win you the debate). Stop defending something JUST because you feel like it deserves defending. That's not a Devil's Advocate, either, that's just blind stubbornness. Have you read my review for FO3? THAT'S being the Devil's Advocate; I defended what could be defended, and I addressed its flaws openly and honestly.
Did FO3 change canon? YES. We don't need a new topic to go over this again. It's been covered in many other topics, all you need do is READ THEM. Did FO3 try to be genuine to the series? YES. That doesn't mean that the end result was. Did FO3 introduce ANYTHING creative and new to the series? NO! EVERYTHING was either copied, ripped off, imitated, bastardized, or the like. Trogs are about the closest they came to originality, and even then they're just watered down Gehenna. FO3 Enclave Armor was FOT Power Armor. FO3 Vault 87 FEV was just FOBOS "Secret Vault" FEV. If you don't know what those are, look them up. The list goes on, and just because you want to argue in favor of the game won't change these FACTS. Just stop. I'd love to see your participation in these topics (no matter the subject), if you could stop being so abrasive and self-important in all of them. Just stop.
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