Which difficulty do you like to play on?

[ThatZenoGuy]

That easy to hit your buttons huh. Calm down, I don't give a damn if people like Fallout 3 or not. All I care is that I do. But the reasons presented so far by you guys are pathetic.

Fallout 3 ain't perfect - but neither were the originals.

And Alien, Terminator, Jaws, Star Wars, and Dr Strangelove weren't perfect either, go figures they're good fucking movies, whereas Hangover Part 1-2-3-whatever aren't.

Fallout 3 is basically Oblivion with guns, where Fallout 1-2 is more of a tabletop pen and paper game, turned into a video game.

Its like comparing apples to a full three main course meal.

 

[Pwener]

@ThatZenoGuy
Stop putting them on pedestals and stop taking my opinions so personally.

Fallout 3 sold well, won many game of the year awards and is still enjoyed by many people to this day.

Get over yourself.

XOXO

 

[Risewild]

It's fine as is. And all Tale of Two Wastelands adds is ironsights. IRONSIGHTS!!!

That easy to hit your buttons huh. Calm down, I don't give a damn if people like Fallout 3 or not. All I care is that I do. But the reasons presented so far by you guys are pathetic.

Fallout 3 ain't perfect - but neither were the originals.

You're very entertaining, I actually chuckled at that.

Your reasons about what TTW does are the pathetic ones here. You have no idea what you're talking about and saying stuff like this just makes you show you're not to be taken seriously.
"All TTW does is adding Ironsights" this will have to go into my signature and need to share this with the TTW team, they will love it too and we will all have a good hearty laugh.

One thing is having an opinion, which we all have, but another is talking about what one has no idea . It just shows immaturity and that you will dismiss anything because "you know better" .

Again I point out, I like Fallout 3, I liked in some way or another every Bethesda game until Skyrim (TES was my favorite fantasy cRPG series). But I have eyes to see and brain to think. Just because I like something I am not blind to the problems and defects of that something. It actually accentuates the problems for me, and that is how it should be, I like something even though it has problems. I don't go around arguing that those problems are non-existent and then when people point them out I just go "Nope, you're wrong. This is fine."

Thanks, you really cheered me up today. Gave me a good chuckle and put me in a good mood .

 

[Pwener]

@Risewild
Go ahead, you have my full permission. This way people will see how my witty comment went over your head and you thought I was being serious.

Again I point out, I like Fallout 3, I liked in some way or another every Bethesda game until Skyrim (TES was my favorite fantasy cRPG series). But I have eyes to see and brain to think. Just because I like something I am not blind to the problems and defects of that something. It actually accentuates the problems for me, and that is how it should be, I like something even though it has problems. I don't go around arguing that those problems are non-existent and then when people point them out I just go "Nope, you're wrong. This is fine."

Exactly what thread have you been reading? I have not done any of that. Did you just assume I was doing all l that just because I'm saying I like Fallout 3? Because all I have said is that Fallout 3 having different weapons is not a valid reason to dislike it or makes it a bad game.

I even said that there are valid plot reasons that Fallout 3 falls flat on. Really, what thread have you been reading?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

@ThatZenoGuy
Stop putting them on pedestals and stop taking my opinions so personally.

Fallout 3 sold well, won many game of the year awards and is still enjoyed by many people to this day.

Get over yourself.

XOXO

So fucking what?

Argumentum ad populum, much?

Popularity means nothing to quality, that implies Justin Beiber and 50 shades of Grey are masterpieces, when they're trash.

 

[Risewild]

@Risewild
Go ahead, you have my full permission. This way people will see how my witty comment went over your head and you thought I was being serious.

Over my head? Didn't I say I am laughing? Hell, we are all laughing at the TTW Discord, I shared it with the community, not only the Team.
Also I did say you put me in a good mood. I am literally smiling at my computer.
You definitely haven't been around here much if you think anything anyone says around here can even make me annoyed or angry .
If I was angry or annoyed, everyone would know. I don't mince words when I am like that, and I also don't go around saying I am in a good mood.

By the way, to keep this on topic. I usually play Classic Fallout games on Normal these days because I have less time for gaming, so I prefer to spend a bit less time doing things in those games. I do "play" TTW always on Very Hard but usually without Hardcore Mode (because I mainly test TTW and Hardcore Mode will interfere with testing unless I am testing anything related to that mode, of course).

 

[Pwener]

So fucking what?

Argumentum ad populum, much?

Popularity means nothing to quality, that implies Justin Beiber and 50 shades of Grey are masterpieces, when they're trash.

Yeah, that's the response I was looking for. Except that popularity does matter. So unless you're a hipster...

And stop getting so hostile.

@Risewild
My apologies then. It's just that you switched to talking down to me about something that I had not done and was not happening in this thread that it made your compliment seem patronizing. Again, my mistake.

But reread the thread - I have not defended Fallout 3 on any grounds beyond the whole "where my guns at?" thing.

Now if you excuse me I'll continue messing with poor Zeno over here. Psst, he really doesn't like it when I say I like Fallout 3.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Psst, he really doesn't like it when I say I like Fallout 3.

Yes, I do find it annoying when people enjoy the literal downfalls of amazing franchises.

 

[Pwener]

Yes, I do find it annoying when people enjoy the literal downfalls of amazing franchises.

Downfall? This franchise had one foot on the grave when Bethesda swindle- I mean, graciously took it off Interplay's hands. You think Van Buren would have sold well? Or that Fallout MMO? Nu uh.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Downfall? This franchise had one foot on the grave when Bethesda swindle- I mean, graciously took it off Troika's hands. You think Van Buren would have sold well? Or that Fallout MMO? Nu uh.

I'd rather those, than fucking Fallout 3.

The only good thing to come out of 3, is NV, and TTW.

Fallout 3 was the sign that Fallout was never going to be good again, and, thus far, excluding NV, it has been true.

Fallout 4 was even dumber.

Imagine what 5 will be like.

 

[Risewild]

Downfall? This franchise had one foot on the grave when Bethesda swindle- I mean, graciously took it off Interplay's hands. You think Van Buren would have sold well? Or that Fallout MMO? Nu uh.

Well, to be fair. If Bethesda hadn't got the IP, then it would have gone to Troika Games. And they made some of the best cRPGs of the time (Temple of Elemental Evil, Arcanum: of Steamworks and Magick Obscura and Vampires the Masquerade: Bloodlines). So it is not a stretch they would have made pretty good Fallout cRPGs.

 

[Pwener]

I'd rather those, than fucking Fallout 3.

The only good thing to come out of 3, is NV, and TTW.

Fallout 3 was the sign that Fallout was never going to be good again, and, thus far, excluding NV, it has been true.

Fallout 4 was even dumber.

Imagine what 5 will be like.

Fallout 4 is just representative of the times and so will Fallout 5. Bethesda after Skyrim went the route of EA and that has nothing to do with the game.

And if it wasn't for Fallout 3 I would not be a Fallout fan today or ever played the originals. Funny thing is that I disliked Fallout 3 the first time I played it and dismissed it as "Oblivion with guns."

I'm glad I decided to give it a second chance. You're just hating it for no reason because so far you have not given me a single valid reason and it has lots. Pick one.

Well, to be fair. If Bethesda hadn't got the IP, then it would have gone to Troika Games. And they made some of the best cRPGs of the time (Temple of Elemental Evil, Arcanum: of Steamworks and Magick Obscura and Vampires the Masquerade: Bloodlines). So it is not a stretch they would have made pretty good Fallout cRPGs.

Agreed but the whole isometric RPG craze died right quick and so would have Fallout. I mean, Pillars of Eternity had to be crowdfunded for crying out loud! If Bethesda hadn't stol- I mean, bought the Fallout IP through crooked law- err, they got their greedy hands on it ok and if that hadn't happened Fallout would have died with Troika games which Tim Cain admits failed because he did not, and I quote; "know how to run a business."

Troika did not fail because they lacked Fallout. They just sucked at record keeping.

Fallout would not have made the leap to modernization and would have been shelved as a good franshise of a bygone era.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I'm glad I decided to give it a second chance. You're just hating it for no reason because so far you have not given me a single valid reason and it has lots. Pick one.

Shitty graphics, shitty design, shitty dialogue, shitty ending, shitty factions, shitty gameplay mechanics, shitty enemy spawning/locations, shitty AI, shitty start, and shitty perk system.

 

[Pwener]

Shitty graphics, shitty design, shitty dialogue, shitty ending, shitty factions, shitty gameplay mechanics, shitty enemy spawning/locations, shitty AI, shitty start, and shitty perk system.

This is not what I meant

 

[R.Graves]

Hangover Part 1-2-3-

Can confirm these are good comedies.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

This is not what I meant

Its gunplay is worse than Stalker, its dialogue is worse than Stalker, its designs are worse than Stalker.

Fuck, its just a shittier version of Stalker, with a Fallout skin.

 

[Risewild]

Agreed but the whole isometric RPG craze died right quick and so would have Fallout. If Bethesda hadn't stol- I mean, bought the Fallout IP through crooked law- err, they got their greedy hands on it ok and if that hadn't happened Fallout would have died with Troika games which Tim Cain admits failed because he did not, and I quote; "know how to run a business."

Troika did not fail because they lacked Fallout. They just sucked at record keeping.

Fallout would not have made the leap to modernization and would have been shelved as a good franshise of a bygone era.

There are many isometric games that ever since then were well received and sold well too.
Even if Troika had fallen while having the Fallout IP, it wouldn't be lost either. Troika People formed Obsidian and so they would now own the IP. Obsidian is still active and does specialize in isometric cRPGs. So once again it wouldn't be a stretch that they would now be releasing Pillars or Eternity, Tyranny and Fallout Isometric games or go the other direction and make 3D fallout games like Star Wars knights of the Old Republic 2, Neverwinter Nights 2, Alpha Protocol, Fallout New Vegas and Dungeon Siege 3. Also they tried and made a quite successfully 2D not isometric cRPG South Park the Stick of Truth. So no matter which type of cRPG they would have made out of Fallout, their track records show they would be at least good cRPGs.

 

[R.Graves]

Btw @Pwener we do have good reason to hate fo3 it doesn't really do anything exceptionally well and is overall a disgrace to its predecessor in terms of mechanics, story, and freedom.

 

[Pwener]

Can confirm these are good comedies.

The only good one was the first.

Its gunplay is worse than Stalker, its dialogue is worse than Stalker, its designs are worse than Stalker.

Fuck, its just a shittier version of Stalker, with a Fallout skin.

You're so much nicer in your Let's Play...

There are many isometric games that ever since then were well received and sold well too.
Even if Troika had fallen while having the Fallout IP, it wouldn't be lost either. Troika People formed Obsidian and so they would now own the IP. Obsidian is still active and does specialize in isometric cRPGs. So once again it wouldn't be a stretch that they would now be releasing Pillars or Eternity, Tyranny and Fallout Isometric games or go the other direction and make 3D fallout games like Star Wars knights of the Old Republic 2, Neverwinter Nights 2, Alpha Protocol, Fallout New Vegas, Dungeon Siege 3. Also they tried and made a quite successfully 2D not isometric cRPG South Park the Stick of Truth. So no matter which type of cRPG they would have made out of Fallout, their track records show they would be at least good cRPGs.

As strange as it sounds I like how it all turned out. I know I would not have liked Van Buren but I do like Fallout 3 and thanks to that we got Vegas which I consider the ending of Fallout based on my cumulative headcanon that spans Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Fallout 3, Shelter and New Vegas.

Yeah, Fallout 4 sucked and now Fallout is dead but it was a great ride while it lasted.

Btw @Pwener we do have good reason to hate fo3 it doesn't really do anything exceptionally well and is overall a disgrace to its predecessor in terms of mechanics, story, and freedom.

I know there are valid reasons, there are things I dislike too just like any game but nobody ever bothered to post a single one!

Zeno is doing it now but he also entered "don't give a sh*t" mode so I can't work with that.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

You're so much nicer in your Let's Play...

It's almost as if I enjoy playing good games, and get pissed off when people who are responsible for said games never being made, talk shit about them.