Who else thought there was something up with Victor?

BigBoss

BigBoss

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Before you hit New Vegas and find out who or what he really is, who else thought he was a little... weird.

I remember on my first play through, the moment I stepped out of Doc's house he was the first person I talked to. From that moment on I thought there was something else to him. A little bit later I was walking to Primm, and around the Jean Sky Diving Shack I got ambushed by some raiders and was getting kind of tore up. Then here comes Victor to the rescue, and says that I should be more careful because he wouldn't always be around to save me. Then of course seeing him in Novac, and again in Boulder City. Before I actually hit Boulder City though, on the way there, I turned around because, well I don't know. It about 6AM in the game and I just got a 'weird feeling'. As I turned around, lone behold I see a Securiton rolling over the hills. And he wasn't moving like and ordinary robot, he was waving his arms up and down as if he was running like a normal person. It was to far away to tell if it was victor, the securitron rolled over the hills and then rolled behind another one. By the time I got there to investigate there was nothing there (I've seen other people say this too). That gave me the feeling that someone was spying on me. Then after I got to Boulder City, as I'm finished with the Khans I met him again behind the train station. I decided shit got to weird from that moment on and shot him down right then and there. I even warned him back in Novac not to follow me. I didn't see him again unti Vegas, where of course Victor's true 'identity' was revealed. After it turned out to be an AI commanded by Mr. House, it never gave me the creeps anymore, and on any subsequent play throughs I had just let Victor be.

But before that however, on that long walk to Vegas with all the weird crap happening to me with Victor, it just gave me the "someone is watching you" feeling.

Anybody else get like this, or take a deeper interest (if you could call it that) than other players in what Victor was or what his purpose was. I mean Trudy pretty much tells you right off the bat that he's weird, but the whole time I played the game before I hit Vegas I felt that robot was just to creepy. I even tried to do digging on him, such as going back to his shack and seeing if I could find anything there. Like I said, after I hit Vegas and talked to Mr. House about him, he didn't bother me at all on any other playthroughs. But my first play through when I had all those encounters with him, seeing a Securiton behind me following me, and then disappearing behind some hills when I turn around and see it (happened to me twice), and him showing up out of nowhere, right in time when the raiders are about to kill me outside Goodsprings. And it was far enough outside Goodsprings that you know he wasn't just "passing by on a stroll".
 
One of the disapointment i had with FoNV.
There is definitally something going on with Victor on the way to the Strip.
But afterward, he is just there to watch the Lucky38 doors. I was hoping for a little more interaction there.

On a side note, his scripts aren't always smoothy.
Once, i was sneaking in an NCR medical tent in the middle of the night, to catch the guy who is stealing meds.
I even fired my followers to enhance the immersion of that quiet moment. Then, suddenly, the dialog box open up and there is Victore talking to me about something totally unrelated, with his loudy voice. Then, when the dialog finishes, Victor leaves and the thief happen to be already in the tent stealing his meds.
The guy waited until midnight, in order to not get caught, but still do the deed, while there is a strip securitron and a Mojave courrier, discussing in the middle of an NCR outpost.
 
You can spot him following you? That's something that I didn't know.

Victor never creeped me out, I always tought that his was something like a guardian angel but after knowing his true purpose I felt betrayed, I quite liked the guy. Shame that the final confrotation with him didn't make out, only with the uncuts mods to see that now.
 
(naossano, I think it is possible to delete your own reply, so long as nobody has replied after you, through the edit function)

In my first NV playthrough I was also a bit apprehensive about Victor, and also felt that little bit of dissapointment to realize there was nothing more to it, that him just being a doorman to Lucky 38.
In the course of that, I had a "fun" little episode, where I wanted to explore that mountain pass out of Springvale. Hilariously, I managed to overlook BOTH warning-signs, on my merry way, and I actually allowed myself to actively think "Hey! This is a clever little road! I bet I'll get there in notime!" Victor then cought up with me, and I thought the event was scripted. Cazadores then came at me, I hadn't dealt with them before. I shot one of them, and figured - since the whole event is suuurely scripted, Victor will do his bit, and we will sit down and have a chat about this after it's all done!
Then I see Victor tumbling lifelessly around "oh :0 sh - "
Cazadores all over me, sting-stingely-sting!
*dead*
"D:"
 
Another thing that comes to mind, how was Victor previous owner? By the dialogues you think that he was at Goodsprings for a while.
 
Yeah, I caught that also. Is this implying that, Mr. House lived in Goodsprings before the war? Or is this implying that someone found Victor (possibly on the Strip), "stole him", and took him to Goodsprings where he was beyond Mr. House's radius of control?
 
I have two theories that tries to explain his owner and how VIctor ended up in Goodsprings:


1. Victor was something of a crier or poster boy in Vegas but was ''stolen'' one night by someone and ended up sold in Goodsprings. Eventually Mr.House would locate Victor but prefered to let him stay there as sort of a spy for him, since it looks he has no power around the area. The buyer was Victor mysterious previous owner and did not know the new purpose of it's toy.

2.Victor was not Victor, he was a normal securitron that was scouting the area for House with the objective to report possible threats to House. The owner or something else attacked him to the point of shuting him off and was later repaired in the shack. Maybe the owner wanted him to help defending Goodsprings or just to serve as a toy but after sometime online the securitorn was able to reconnect to House network whom used the opportuny to use the securitron as a spy in the area, to gain the local's trust ''Victor'' was installed as the new AI. A cowboy robot who is actually a spy.
 
I kind of feel like there was supposed to more to Victor than what we got.

He's quite an important character for the first part of the game, and it is heavily implied that something is up with him. Then you reach the strip, talk to House and he just drops out of the game.
 
I agreed with Trudy - there was indeed something "creepy" about his whole cowboy robot routine. And the fact that he keeps popping up throughout your journey just adds to that feeling of being watched. My more aggressive couriers make it a point to blow him up in Novac with a pulse grenade. :P

As for his history in Goodsprings: I don't think Victor ever had an "owner" who lived there, I think it's just a story he's told the inhabitants to explain his presence, and everyone bought it. Trudy informs us through dialogue that nobody has ever met the owner, and she's lived there at least seven years. Easy Pete might have lived in Goodsprings longer than that, but he dismisses Victor as "a broke down relic with no place else to be."

The only one who might reasonably suspect that there is more to Victor than meets the eye, of course, is Doc Mitchell, because of his past with Vault 21 and Mr. House, but he doesn't seem to register that Victor is a Securitron under the control of House. I think we can chalk this up to the unique personality of Victor's AI - Mitchell might have just assumed he was the same model as the robots on the Strip, but with an independent programming.
 
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Emperor said:
Another thing that comes to mind, how was Victor previous owner? By the dialogues you think that he was at Goodsprings for a while.
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BigBoss said:
Yeah, I caught that also. Is this implying that, Mr. House lived in Goodsprings before the war? Or is this implying that someone found Victor (possibly on the Strip), "stole him", and took him to Goodsprings where he was beyond Mr. House's radius of control?
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Emperor said:
I have two theories that tries to explain his owner and how VIctor ended up in Goodsprings:
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Hmmmmm, where to begin?

Well I suppose the quickest place to start is to simply direct to Kilgore's response, which he nailed pretty well. Basically you guys are somehow misunderstanding red herrings as the real deal. The speculation between the townsfolk about Victor's past was mere narrative material to provide some mystique to the character, so that the eeriness of Victor was based off of more than just Trudy's distrust of the Securitron. But none of that was actually real. Victor's past was fully fleshed out once the courier could discuss the robot with Mr. House, who had all of the answers for the character, should they be asked. Victor, the AI, was just one of MANY different programs developed by the genius robotics mogul, and his purpose was as a "discrete" (as discrete as a large Securitron CAN be) set of eyes for Mr. House beyond the strip. House's manpower was stretched all the way to the ruins of Sunnyvale when he was attempting to excavate the Platinum Chip, but of course with his calculating- and some what even say, paranoid -disposition, rather than rely entirely on human beings whose loyalty ended with their paychecks, singular reconnaissance Securitrons were reliable agents for House to monitor his operations. He also explained that he was more than capable of having a Securitron squad guard the Platinum Chip from Sunnyvale to New Vegas, but that he considered it too flashy and obvious, painting a target on the convoy, hence why he hired the 6 couriers to deliver the junk objects and Chip, incognito.

Sure enough, Mr. House's plan would have worked perfectly, as none of the first 5 couriers were targeted, because of how inconspicuous the delivery was, had Benny not been the traitor in House's midst with inside information on the whereabouts of his trump card. Victor was just one Securitron whose position was convenient to tracking the delivery of the Chip. Thus why Victor was the one who hired the 6 package deliveries from the Mojave Express, because he was initiating House's plan. Thus why Victor was the one to track down the Courier after the Khan ambush, because his position was deliberately along the delivery's route. House only ever stated that DIRECT transmission in the remote location around Goodsprings was somewhat difficulty, and as such the AI made do as it saw best, but House's actual influence stretched for many miles beyond Goodsprings. And no, House NEVER lived in Goodsprings before the war, he was a recluse for several years prior to the bombs dropping, and before then he was a wealthy socialite, so the pobabilities of him shacking up in some dust bowl amount to nil.

Kilgore Trout said:
The only one who might reasonably suspect that there is more to Victor than meets the eye, of course, is Doc Mitchell, because of his past with Vault 21 and Mr. House, but he doesn't seem to register that Victor is a Securitron under the control of House. I think we can chalk this up to the unique personality of Victor's AI - Mitchell might have just assumed he was the same model as the robots on the Strip, but with an independent programming.
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I think you're confusing the series of events, because Mitchell was NOT present at Vault 21 when House's forces emerged and filled the Vault with concrete. Mitchell had wandered the wastes for decades on his own as a traveling medic before returning to Vault 21 and marrying his childhood sweetheart. All of this was while the Strip was still a lawless tribal territory with abandoned casinos. He and his wife lived together OUTSIDE of 21 (presumably Goodsprings) for an indeterminate number of years before she passed, leaving him a solitary widower far and away from his home Vault when House's Securitrons emerged from the Lucky 38 to establish his control over the strip. It's not very likely that Mitchell saw ANY Securitrons until he met Victor in Goodsprings. As such, he'd have no particular reason to suspect anything of Victor any more than the rest of the inhabitants of Goodsprings.
 
A lot of us were expecting him to have some big role either on Old World Blues or Lonesome Road. We mostly went by Ban Vuren material and some unsubtantial theories, but we wanted to believe the happy go lucky cowboy robot had something else going on for him.
 
Now that you mention it yes I was very disappointed that Victor didn't play a bigger role in the story. They should have scrapped Yes Man and replaced him with Victor and changed his role in the story. The whole time he was following the player I thought something big was going to happen.
 
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A little thing that would have made the character feel less empty once you get to the Lucky38, would have been to have him makes comments on quests started by House (initial - failure - success) and increase/decrease of reputation, with some speech check to enter the building if you have a mixed reputation.
 
I hate yes man why did they even include him in the game his character is written like a really bad fan fiction.
 
coldroll said:
I hate yes man why did they even include him in the game his character is written like a really bad fan fiction.
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Owyn Lyons' character is written like really bad fan fiction. Moira Brown's character is written like really bad fan fiction.
Yes Man was fucking brilliant!
 
Bad fanfiction? is that the new go to term when you have nothing of substance to say? I have seen that cropping up a lot recently.
 
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