Why do you think a crossbow was never added?
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Dr. Croccer
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Wasn't the main reason that certain security forces use crossbows is to take out individuals who might possibly be equipped with explosives, i.e. terrorists?
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No, that's just one small fraction of it's use. Like using water cannons for detonating mines.
:::SILUS::: said:Are you actually saying that learning how to throw a spear is easier then using a crossbow? One of the reasons crossbow was made is because anyone could use it after a 30 second instruction. Suddenly even church was against it becuase heavily armored troops were being struck down by 70 year old peasants.
Implying that using a modern crossbow is easier than throwing a spear, you've obviously never so much as touched either. As someone who has used a crossbow before, I can tell you that it's not as easy as "Call of Duty" might have you believe, and this is from someone taught to use one.Someone who's never even heard of a crossbow having an easier time with one than with a throwing spear? Ridiculous.
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You're correct here, most crossbows used by modern military and police forces are used for things such as establishing zip-lines and checking for tripwires. Not for combat.
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Courier said:
Someone who's never even heard of a crossbow having an easier time with one than with a throwing spear? Ridiculous.
Why?
:::SILUS::: said:Courier said:
Someone who's never even heard of a crossbow having an easier time with one than with a throwing spear? Ridiculous.
Why?
Are you asking why people in the wasteland have never heard of crossbows, or why it would be harder for a tribal who's never heard of a crossbow to use one than it would be to use a spear?
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Why would someone who has never heard of a flamethrower use one?
Old Man Vee
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Why would we argue about modern militaries using crossbows?
Fallout is stuck in a very post WWII era.
Fallout is stuck in a very post WWII era.
valcik
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Because a flamethrower doesn't require re-inventing by tribals. Your arguement is paper thin, why would tribals reinvent the crossbow when they have shown in multiple incarnations that guns are the prefered weapon of choice for even the most backward of societies?
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Why would it be re-invented and why would tribals have to use it? As i said about a million times before, i would love to see it on some hunter or assassin or whatever as a unique niche weapon, not something commonly used, more practical then a gun, etc. Like a Ballistic Fist, a Rocket Launcher, Yao Guai Gauntlet, Thermic Lance, etc.
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A niche weapon, that's more practical than a gun? Have you even read anything in this thread yet?
A "niche" weapon means it's useful in very rare circumstances, almost every time a crossbow would be useful a suppressed gun would be a better option. Almost every time crossbows are used in the modern day it's for very niche things such as for zip-lines and taking out people armed with explosives at short range without detonating the explosive.
I think he meant more practical as in you can reuse the ammo 90% of the time.
mobucks said:
You have obviously never used a crossbow either.
Faceless Stranger
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I think throwing rocks are a better alternative to guns because it's easier to learn how to throw rocks than shoot guns, and rocks are silent and there are rocks easily available everywhere and rocks were the first weapon so obviously they work. They should just be used as a niche weapon by a small group of rock throwing assassins as rocks are heavier than bullets therefore do more damage. They could even implement a rock skill to determine the effectiveness of thrown rocks and how much damage the rocks do.
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You misunderstood me. By "...not something commonly used, more practical then a gun, etc." i meant "not something commonly used, /or/ more practical then a gun but a niche weapon" My sentence structure was lacking, my bad.
Oh, and about the explosives and zip lines thing, for the 6th time, stop trying to push it like that's what it's been used for commonly. That's what it's been used for in maybe 1% of the cases. Stop trying to push that notion. .
Oh, and about the explosives and zip lines thing, for the 6th time, stop trying to push it like that's what it's been used for commonly. That's what it's been used for in maybe 1% of the cases. Stop trying to push that notion. .
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A "niche" weapon that's more practical than a gun is an oxymoron.
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No, that is what they're used for in the majority of cases in the modern day, and even then they're pretty rarely used. Stop denying the truth.
Though he has a point. Historicaly speaking. The crossbow was the weapon which somehow gave the usual infantry men a chance to use a weapon which did not required so much training like a usual bow. The usual bow required much more training and its use was not always practical where a cross bow can be armed and thus simply shoot any time you want because it was not required to hold the arror in your hand all the time. Though a skilled archer was usualy must faster with his bow then someone with a crossbow.Courier said::::SILUS::: said:
Weapons are of course always the first choice. But in situations where you have trouble to maintain those I dont think a crossbow would be completely out of the question.
I would not be surprised if both weapons would see equal use because even guns jam or are not always available. Amunition might get short and so on and so on. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. And both weapons make sense for a post-apoc enviroment actually. Doesnt mean a crossbow is easier to use then a usual gun.
But I think with saying that it is clear why the gun replaced both bows and crossbows over the time.
Crni Vuk said:
Even then it took about a week of training in order to teach someone how to use a crossbow in that time period, not "30 seconds" like he said. That's also with a trained master of crossbow use doing the teaching, crossbows aren't the kinds of weapons you can just "figure out yourself".
Spears and other throwing projectiles are faster, easier to make, easier to use, require no training, and require little to no maintenance. Any time there are no guns to be found a throwing projectile would always be a better option for wastelanders to defend themselves with (not that it matters, even tribals have access to seemingly unlimited supplies of arms and ammunition).
You're saying gun ammunition would be rare, but crossbow ammunition wouldn't? Whaaaa.....
We're also talking about the Fallout universe here, not ours. It's been made clear in every entry in the series that there are no shortages of guns or ammunition in the wastelands.
I think no weapon regardless if guns, spears, bows or crossbows will be easy to "figure out yourself" in less then 30 sec.Courier said:
I just compared the crossbow as historical weapon and the general statement that it was easier to use for a peasant compared to many other ranges weapons of that time (including some of the first guns). With the 15th and 16th century the crossbow was obviously slowly but steadily replaced by guns.
I never argued that it would the best, first or most obvious choice as weapon.Courier said:
Just that the option is there. And that It would be probably not completely uncommon in some post-apoc setting.
Yeah well I am not used with ammunition like a few others here.Courier said:
But I guess it cant be much more difficult to get a bolt for a crossbow then to get a shell casing, gun powder, a bullet and machines/knowledge to get them all together as working ammunition. Safe ammunition to say that.
Also. I don't remember that it is mentioned in the Fallout world that ammunition is extremely common. Logically I would assume that in some places it is while in others not. A big trading town for example yes. A community of farmers somewhere deep in the wasteland maybe not.
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