World Cup 2010 South Africa

well, wouldn't say they need to redeem themselfs (especially against urugay), but that certainly was a poor game. Spain could have won 3:0 or more, should have at least 2:0 - they were clearly the better team and Germany didn't show anything today. Sad but true. Hope Spain beats Oranje, not sure why though

at least the vuvuzelas and autokorsos have stopped..

/e at least one special german lady enjoyed being german today..
 
Roflcore said:
well, wouldn't say they need to redeem themselfs (especially against urugay), but that certainly was a poor game. Spain could have won 3:0 or more, should have at least 2:0 - they were clearly the better team and Germany didn't show anything today. Sad but true.
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Germany showed nothing? You must've been watching a different game. Spain had a lot more possession and more chances and was the better side overall, but Germany was really dangerous on the break and had their own periods of dominance, their most notable chance probably being the Kroos shot. After they went down 1-0 they really had to start pressing and that opened up a lot of space for the Spanish, making the Germans look worse than they are. I do think their allowing Xabi Alonso time and space to execute was a poor mistake, though it may have been a function of closing down Xavi.

Germany fell victim to what Spain do really well, though: possession play. The possession play doesn't necessarily lead to chances, but to paraphrase Cruyff: if a team doesn't have the ball, it can't score.

Sicblades said:
Man, I don't have time to go and break down and go look at statistics. They've played better, and they could have done better in this game. They couldn't get their tactics going by Uruguay not giving them room, and it took them time to adjust. Uruguay wasn't playing great by any means, so for the Dutch to not do better was disappointing. Yes you had moments of greatness (like in the article) but there wasn't very much of that going down for most of the game.
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"I'll just ignore whatever you just said and stubbornly restate my own opinion."

I never said they played great football, but you were calling the Dutch play 'tactically unsound', which is still ludicrous and you've shown no reason whatsoever why that would be so. You've claimed they gave Forlan too much space, while Forlan didn't have any space whatsoever throughout the game except for one moment. You claim they allowed too many runs over the flanks, but all those runs were contained and really didn't lead to any danger. What, then, was tactically unsound? How, exactly, should they have been positioned better tactically?

And again, you seem to be under the impression that an 8-man defense should be easy to penetrate. It's like you haven't seen any football this World Cup, because the story of this World Cup has consistently been poor teams beating or at least keeping contained better teams by playing with 7-man or more, very organised defense.
 
I don’t know what happened to the Germans…they seemed slow and indecisive, their passing was sloppy, and they were out classed on all fronts. Spain played beautifully, but don’t seem to be able to produce many goals, and that will be a problem if the Dutch play like they did against Brazil…should be a great final – both teams deserve to win.
 
Sander said:
but Germany was really dangerous on the break and had their own periods of dominance, their most notable chance probably being the Kroos shot.
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Indeed, but that was a very short period. Too short for what they have showed so far. No doubt Spain played excellent, it just didn't feel like Germany gave 100%.

At least one team will win the cup for the first time ;)
 
I don't know a lot about football really, but it seemed like Spain managed to push Germany back, and disturb their attacks already at the German defenders. So many attacks failed already after the first pass to the midfield. They couldn't attack in the same organized manner as before at all. Spain intercepted more passes and were first on the ball after a lot of situations.

Also, vote for Pedro.
 
I will be running a popular Marathon sometime in the next few years. Probably after I release my game. But this FIFA stuff seems competitive, i wonder what i can learn. what kind of person will i be? look at you, look at you, ... james.. james.. she is in cardiac arrest! Get her out of her! now now now.. one one thousand, two one thousand.
 
Sander said:
"I'll just ignore whatever you just said and stubbornly restate my own opinion."

I never said they played great football, but you were calling the Dutch play 'tactically unsound', which is still ludicrous and you've shown no reason whatsoever why that would be so. You've claimed they gave Forlan too much space, while Forlan didn't have any space whatsoever throughout the game except for one moment. You claim they allowed too many runs over the flanks, but all those runs were contained and really didn't lead to any danger. What, then, was tactically unsound? How, exactly, should they have been positioned better tactically?

And again, you seem to be under the impression that an 8-man defense should be easy to penetrate. It's like you haven't seen any football this World Cup, because the story of this World Cup has consistently been poor teams beating or at least keeping contained better teams by playing with 7-man or more, very organised defense.
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What? No. I just don't have time to retort and go into a break down with pics of the game to get into it. For the Dutch to not exploit that 3:1 cover the Uruguay team was giving was poor. Forlan was being given too much room, mostly. They contained him most of the time, but he was still being given the room. And they did play unsound until they got their act together. They should have played the game that way the whole game, which is what I was saying.

Spain managed to break the German 7-man defense pretty good. It's something that I expected the Dutch to do more because up to yesterday's game, Spain wasn't playing all that well either.

On a different note: I was watching last night's game and the alst 15 mins watched it with the wife. She's of German descent and when the final whistle blew, she says: "Stupid octopus". I lol'd pretty hard.
 
Roflcore said:
Indeed, but that was a very short period. Too short for what they have showed so far. No doubt Spain played excellent, it just didn't feel like Germany gave 100%.
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I think people had an overstated impression of how well Germany played because of the opponents they faced. Argentina and England sound like impressive opponents, but defensively they were shit, especially in those games. Argentina has a maximum of 5 people on defense at any point in time, and their defense is poorly organised. England had an absolute mess of a defense, which was dragged out of position oh so easily. There was never much of a chance Germany could repeat that performance against a well-organised side like Spain, or even Serbia earlier in the tournament. And Spain's constant early pressing helped a lot to disturb their build-up.

Sicblades said:
What? No. I just don't have time to retort and go into a break down with pics of the game to get into it. For the Dutch to not exploit that 3:1 cover the Uruguay team was giving was poor.
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Again: have you seen *any* football this World Cup? At all? Switzerland-Spain? North-Korea-Brazil? Netherlands-anyone? Spain-anyone? Italy-anyone? Switzerland-anyone?

There's only been one side who really broke down opponents and that was Germany, but they did it against sides that did not defend in numbers and defended poorly.

Sicblades said:
Forlan was being given too much room, mostly. They contained him most of the time, but he was still being given the room.
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This is pure fantasy. Forlan completed 39% of his passes, and passed the ball fewer times than anyone on the entire field except Van Persie and the keepers. He had room to shoot on goal a grand total of 1 time. How the fuck is that giving him room? If he had room, he'd have had the ball and done more with it.

Sicblades said:
And they did play unsound until they got their act together. They should have played the game that way the whole game, which is what I was saying.
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They played unsound until they didn't play unsound?
You mean the Van der Vaart sub changed things? Because sure it did, the Dutch dominated midfield more and created more chances through combination football. But that that was a better option doesn't mean the initial tactics were unsound. An unsound tactic means a tactic is fundamentally flawed, but there was nothing fundamentally flawed about the first half tactics, it just wasn't as good as the second half tactics. Besides that, it wasn't as much a tactical change as it was a personnel change. Van der Vaart is a more offensive player than De Zeeuw, but he played in the same position and the formation didn't change courtesy of a tactical change but simply because Van der Vaart can't play as far back as De Zeeuw.

Sicblades said:
Spain managed to break the German 7-man defense pretty good.
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They did? Because Spain didn't get that many chances either. Mostly long-distance shots and I think 2 or 3 chances through open play. They dominated play, but they didn't create much (until Germany started to attack in numbers after going down 1-0). Which has, again, been the story of their World Cup.
 
Spain had dick for chances. They need to learn to actually score and in a hurry, because they keep getting lost in the beauty of their own game, tic-tic-tic-tic-tic passing the ball around. I tire of their 1-0 victories. No doubt the whole world will be on their side as they play the more "beautiful" football, but colour me unimpressed.

Possession dominance makes for boring footy-ball.
 
Would been helpful if Germany wasn't trying the counter tactic. I was actually expecting Germany to play the more solid game. Oh well. At least we get an 8th winning team now.
 
on a completely unrelated note. Spain is thining about it to to give the soccer octopus a Spanish citizenship so he will not get eaten eventualy. Which octopus ? This one, Octopus Paul

Sucker for soccer: octopus predicts World Cup finalist

Spain's victory over Germany in the World Cup last night will come have no surprise to those following one of the competition's most successful pundits – for the result had already been foretold by Paul the Octopus, a creature that has achieved celebrity status with the accuracy of its predictions.

I think the interesting part about it is that he was so far acurate with all his predictions regarding Germany.
 
Crni Vuk said:
on a completely unrelated note. Spain is thining about it to to give the soccer octopus a Spanish citizenship so he will not get eaten eventualy. Which octopus ? This one, Octopus Paul

Sucker for soccer: octopus predicts World Cup finalist

Spain's victory over Germany in the World Cup last night will come have no surprise to those following one of the competition's most successful pundits – for the result had already been foretold by Paul the Octopus, a creature that has achieved celebrity status with the accuracy of its predictions.

I think the interesting part about it is that he was so far acurate with all his predictions regarding Germany.
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The only interesting part about it is the world's fascination with this piece of fish-food. Every zoo in Germany and many outside do something like that, there's bound to be one occasion of an octopus getting 6 50/50 decisions in a row right.
 
I know its just silly. So be it.

But how big is the chance for such a fish to choose all games with the right outcome ?

Maybe 50/50 for each game ? But I think someone said to be 6 times right only had a chance of 2%. No clue if that is right.
 
Hawww. The last people who would deny Paul what is his were ze Germans and their protestations, Sander. See where it left them! DO NOT DENY PAUL'S MIGHTY TENTACLES!
 
They gave some recipes for squid-related food on the local newspaper when he predicted Argentina would lose.
 
Crni Vuk said:
I know its just silly. So be it.

But how big is the chance for such a fish to choose all games with the right outcome ?

Maybe 50/50 for each game ? But I think someone said to be 6 times right only had a chance of 2%. No clue if that is right.
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1.5% that Paul specifically would get this right, higher actually because of the possibility of ties in the group stages. But that's not the relevant statistic, the relevant statistic is the chance that out of all the similar animal-choosing-result events around the world one would get this right. Which, given the amount of animal-choosing-result events, is probably around 100%.
 
so in other words you doubt that paul is the jesus of the octopus population ?

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Brother None said:
Hawww. The last people who would deny Paul what is his were ze Germans and their protestations, Sander. See where it left them! DO NOT DENY PAUL'S MIGHTY TENTACLES!
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If you ask Paul, Spain will win the cup against the Neverlands.
 
iii said:
Redeem for what? Spain played an excelent game and it was clearly the better team, there is no shame losing 0:1 against such a team.
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Maybe redeem is strong word, but if I were in their shoes id want to prove that I can play better then that game went. There is a lot of mention that Spain played a good game. Yes they did, but I didnt think it was fantastic. But what I found bit baffling was how Germans couldnt get the game running, yes there was this one shorth period but that was it. And germany did theyr backround check they would know that Spain exceld in the type of game that was played.

As for Paul the squid maybe he was asked the wrong question and the question would have been who wont get 1st place. :twisted:
 
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