XBone One Fallout 4 Mod Traffic Was Bigger then That Of PC

Black Angel said:
So it begins :deal:

And I made a mistake of looking at the comments. Those dumbfucks saying how adding F4SE will only make the matter worse. And it baffles me how Bethesda deal with the situation. Modders have to file a complaint every damn time? What a bunch of amateurs. The Nexus have been there providing a prime example how to manage a modding community and they chose the, what, 'corporate' way?
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Quite a number of Bethesda.net coddlers around those discussions. Some of those comments are saying that Bethesda is doing the right thing with lengthy DMCA notices that requires consultation with lawyers and personal information being handed over.

I believe Dark0ne from Nexus has voiced his own concerns about Bethesda's solutions on Bethesda.net and raised some valid points against Bethesda.net: https://community.bethesda.net/thread/22955?start=0&tstart=0
 
They so lazy now they don't even want make new games and just port something from a past gen? What a hacks.
 
Well, didn't they "train" for Fallout 4 by porting Skyrim into 64bits ?
Yeah. So... In other words, what Bethesda would be selling is nothing else than a test subject, clothed to look like an actual game. A game that wouldn't have costed them a penny, because it was part of Fallout 4's development budget. Which means that thanks to the tax incentives for Fallout 4, Skyrim's remake is already profitable, and it's not even announced yet.
 
Skyrim isn't even old enough to be remastered. It makes no sense.

The Bethesda writers however have complete writers block as Fallout 4 shows us, so I wouldn't be surprised. They can't write quality stories and characters, just cliches and stereotypes.

I would have preferred a Fallout 3/New Vegas remaster to Fallout 4.
 
It makes sense if you look at it as a pure financial move. They have the 64bits game developped, as part of Fallout 4's "training". It exists in their drawers.
It's already profitable, and it's not even announced yet.
It already has a fanbase, and it's not even announced yet.
They can gauge the audience's reaction to an new Elder Scrolls, without actually making one.
They can't lose this. There's no worst case scenario. It would be one of the safest "investments" in the industry's history. It would also be one of the laziest.

BUT Bethesda is on the verge of alienating the modding community, so there's that. Mocking the nexus, when it has 10 million subscribers (in other words, their entire PC audience) ? The whole DMCA fiasco for Bethesda.net ? Unwise. A smart competitor could announce a toolkit for a popular game while pushing the best nexus modders to abandon papyrus titles. Would such a thing happen right now, the competitor would cut the grass under Bethesda's feet, so to speak. Unlikely to happen, but you never know. Bethesda needs the 10 million nexus' subscribers for their games to be profitable in the long term.
 
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mithrap said:
It makes sense if you look at it as a pure financial move. They have the 64bits game developped, as part of Fallout 4's "training". It exists in their drawers.
It's already profitable, and it's not even announced yet.
It already has a fanbase, and it's not even announced yet.
They can't lose this. There's no worst case scenario. It would be one of the safest "investments" in the industry's history. It would also be one of the laziest.

BUT Bethesda is on the verge of alienating the modding community, so there's that. Mocking the nexus, when it has 10 million subscribers (in other words, their entire PC audience) ? The whole DMCA fiasco for Bethesda.net ? Unwise. A smart competitor could announce a toolkit for a popular game, right now, and cut the grass under Bethesda's feet, so to speak. Unlikely to happen, but you never know. The PC modding community is the only thing that keeps Skyrim profitable in the long term.
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I think they're just blind to how badly they're pissing off the modding community, maybe willfully blind. They probably figure if they can remaster Skyrim, then they can make console mods available for it as well, so console players will rush out and buy millions more copies just so they can mod it, and thieves will have thousands more files they can rip off from the Nexus, post on Bethesda.aids with donations links, while Skyrim mod authors file yet more DMCA complaints that Bethesda can just ignore, ...

What could possibly go wrong?
 
No Man said:
Skyrim getting a remaster? When have they ever mastered it in the first place? Also, who is this 'Dragon Punch'? I mean, a quick Google search revealed this to be his Steam account. Call me a sceptic, but that's pretty far from a good source.
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It could very well be a rumor, and nothing will come of it. We'll just have to wait and see what Bethesda announces at E3.

Still, you just know that the marketing people at Bethesda have studied the idea of a Skyrim remaster to death, based solely on the success of the existing game, and they probably have all kinds of different ideas about how to implement it. And their bragging about how console modding is such a huge thing for FO4 just gives them more ammunition to convince the people who would actually make the decision. So you really can't just dismiss it out of hand, either.

ETA - having said that, I highly doubt they'd do a remaster for FO3 or New Vegas. FO3 is eight years old and would probably require an enormous amount of work to remaster for new consoles, certainly much more work than Skyrim. And New Vegas? They'd rather just keep pretending that that one never happened.
 
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I do have to say as someone who plays on both xbone and PC, but primarily I would be considered a console player, I hope modders stop making mods for console perhaps by requiring everything to require a script extender.

Firstly to kind of fuck Bethesdas over, secondly to starve off the impudent pukes. Even before I really got into PC gaming I knew the rights and wrongs of modding...it's basic human decency to not steal someones shit

Oh and when I say I play PC and Xbone..I dont mean Fallout 4 because fuck that game. I value my time, I would rather play something good.
 
Beth.aids is a fuckin warzone right now...I feel terrible for the mod authors amd legitimate users...but..I can help but feel a little bit of glee with the tire fire Bethesda has lit here...Im really kind of hoping they (bethesda) burn their own house down.
 
Gorefiend said:
Beth.aids is a fuckin warzone right now...I feel terrible for the mod authors amd legitimate users...but..I can help but feel a little bit of glee with the tire fire Bethesda has lit here...Im really kind of hoping they (bethesda) burn their own house down.
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"It has a stark beauty, doesn't it?" God Bethesda really dug themselves into a hole with this one. I can't help but have a big ole smile on my face as I see how much deeper Bethesda is digging themselves in.
 
RangerBoo said:
"It has a stark beauty, doesn't it?" God Bethesda really dug themselves into a hole with this one. I can't help but have a big ole smile on my face as I see how much deeper Bethesda is digging themselves in.
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It's like watching someone you don't like about to slip on a 100 million dollar banana peel before tumbling down the stairs.

Hopefully into a bed of spikes...with hungry tigers waiting nearby...and flamethrowers for the bone. Which turn to ash. Ash that gets thrown into the sea.
 
Gorefiend said:
Beth.aids is a fuckin warzone right now...I feel terrible for the mod authors amd legitimate users...but..I can help but feel a little bit of glee with the tire fire Bethesda has lit here...Im really kind of hoping they (bethesda) burn their own house down.
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As Shardik said above, this could turn really ugly if the Skyrim remake also gets on the "console mods" and Bethesda.net train. There are thousands and thousands of mods on the nexus which would suddenly be available to thievery, including huge ones. The current situation would be nothing next to that. The Skyrim audience is way, way bigger than the Fallout's, and have you seen how many mods there are on the nexus ? Bethesda would have so many DMCA complaints, they'll simply won't have the means to deal with them. That'd be mayhem.

The thing is : this is a golden opportunity for competitors. As much as Bethesda will roll its investors in gold, this would leave the door open for competitors to ruin their reputation with the PC audience. 10 millions subscribers on the nexus. That's the entire PC market, and turning them to a new franchise with a good toolkit would be extremely easy if they feel alienated. Now, I'm speculating on that, but it's pretty plausible.
 
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Well from a greedy perspective it makes sense. Skyrim ain't got mods on consoles. They ship out a "remastered" Skyrim and sell it at full price and say that they will allow mods for it. Not only did they make tons of money from pre-orders and shit, they made tons of money from full price copies as well as expansions and now they can make even more money by dangling a carrot on a stick in front of people to buy what they own all over again just so that they can get mods.
 
This isn't Fallout based, but the wonderful Pete Hines just showed another hand in Bethesda's Dumbing Down cardgame.

"To take Morrowind and then to completely rebuild it? It was an Xbox game. To completely rebuild it have it be relevant for today? That's a pretty massive team doing a massive amount of work," he explained. "You go back and look at it. Do you remember the dialogue system in Morrowind? Do you remember what it was like talking to someone and scrolling through this long list of questions. You put that out for someone that just finished Skyrim and they're going to be like 'What in the hell...?'"

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...r-Scrolls-Morrowind-HD-Remaster-Not-Happening

These people...are they that scared of past successes, or modern gamer attention spans?
 
AgentBJ09 said:
These people...are they that scared of past successes, or modern gamer attention spans?
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I don't think it's either, I truly believe Pete Hines thinks Morrowind is a complicated mess and that the gutted dialouge is far more conducive to the type of gaming experience he likes to have. In other words he's a fucking moron.
 
Spacemunkey said:
I don't think it's either, I truly believe Pete Hines thinks Morrowind is a complicated mess and that the gutted dialouge is far more conducive to the type of gaming experience he likes to have. In other words he's a fucking moron.
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Hell, he admitted that he had a short attention span when it comes to long dialogue, as evidenced by him praising Fallout 4's capability of allowing you to just walk the fuck away from a conversation.
 
http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/20/bethe...at-other-folks-wouldnt-do-or-dont-do-5352056/

PH: I like what we’ve done with the dialogue system… and having played Fallout 3 again recently I keep, in Fallout 4 when I’m playing, I keep hitting the button to leave dialogue. I keep forgetting, ‘Oh, I can just walk away’. I don’t have to wait for this guy to stop talking’. And now I’m playing other stuff, where there’s dialogue and I’m thinking, ‘Oh, I wish I could just walk away’. Because I don’t have the attention span for long dialogue!

GC: The catchphrase for gaming used to be ‘Just one more go’, nowadays it’s just ‘Get on with it!’

PH: [laughs] Exactly! Unless it’s Uncharted or anything by Naughty Dog, and then I never skip any of the dialogue – ’cause theirs is awesome.
 
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