superdude34
Mad Grave Robber
I don't know. i got caught up in a debate and forgot to switch back. I probably should.
Your favourite politicians
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Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
It doesn't really matter, though Doomsdayprepper is certainly a more memorable name than Superdude34.
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
The problem with bringing up the Christian Militias in Central Africa is that those resulted from Muslims killing Christians with brutal violence. It was retaliation. Granted it's horrible and really shouldn't be happening, and it definitely shouldn't have escalated to the extreme level it is now, but it was in retaliation, not started by them. That's the difference in comparing the 2. It's definitely terrorism now, but the way it got started, therein lies the rub. I'm not trying to advocate for this so-called "God's Militia" but I am saying that it was started for entirely different reasons than terrorist acts by Muslim extremists/terrorists.
Sources:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/22/central-african-republic-verge-of-genocide
http://www.opendoorsuk.org/persecution/worldwatch/central_african_republic.php
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
Well they're not exactly the only ones and it's not as though all Christian terrorists are motivated by past conflicts. You've got the Army of God in America and the LRA in Uganda that aren't motivated by any past religious conflicts; you've also got a whole lot of State terrorism where the leaders (usually dictators) manipulate soldiers into committing awful acts using perverse religious teachings, though that's generally a rule of thumb for all terrorism, just dicks telling people to start holy war in order to further their own goals.
Throatpunch
Banned
OK then Izak I concede there were Atheist terror groups.
In fact, shall we all just shut up and concede that in religion/politics people take it too far and get extremist
In fact, shall we all just shut up and concede that in religion/politics people take it too far and get extremist
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
Well, that's never been a secret.
Throatpunch
Banned
No shit, and that's why we should probably stop debating about whether it happens now.
No, you ..... I just don't want to spend half an hour browsing around youtube and google to look at Trumps speches we all know already. Like where he talks about Mexicans, the wall, Muslims and his other idotic one-liners.
Is he the only idiot on stage right now? Definetly not. But that's not the point.
Again, we all have seen his shit. Why do I need to show it again, just so that you and other Trump-is-not-saying-racist-bullshit supporters can say, Duh! He's not racist he didn't meant it like that yada yada. Seriously, we have those right wing nutjobs here as well. And they love to stir up the debate with stupid muslim-bashing and hammering down on immigrants. How immaginative. Like we havn't seen this in the early 20s and 30s already. And when you don't see why his racist bullshit is well ... racist bullshit, than why should I spend even 5 min. of my time to prove something wrong with stuff you won't even care to look in to anyway? This is not some kind of contest.
Just do a little experiment, replace Mexicans with African Americans or if you want jews for that matter, and play a bit with the words and context, and tell me again with a straight face, that Trumps speches are not racist bullshit. Just because there is SOME(!) facts and truth here and there, doesn't mean it's not racist bullshit. It's about the INTENTIONS behind it, the IMPLICATIONS. No one ever said there are no criminal immigrants or musilims for fucks sake ...
But do you really want to know why this is some suggar coated ugly racist bullshit? When someone has to mention something like crime statistics and the percent of adult males incarcerated by race and ethnicity, to prove that his statements are not racist bullshit ... than what he implies leads us still to racist bullshit. Because at the end it comes down to, he is in jail cuz he is black/hispanic/immigrant/what-ever.
Yeah, funny how that one goes right.
Approximately 12–13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 35% of jail inmates, and 37% of prison inmates of the 2.2 million male inmates as of 2014 (U.S. Department of Justice, 2014).
(...)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males
Tell me. Why are those people comitting more crimes? Is it because immigrants and hispanics are inherently more prone to crimes due to them being ... hispanics and african americans? Or could it be rather because the american jail system is fucked up? Why is Trump not talking about the number of African Americans and US prisons the same way he is talking about immigrants and Mexicans? Could it be, because a lot more people would see behind his racist bullshit then? Or that it would cost him a tremendious amount of support from voters? All that Trump does, is to satisfy a general dislike and xenophobia of hispanics/mexicans that some americans hold. That's all there is. It gets him votes. And you should see it like that. If history has shown us one thing. A wall, can keep someone just as well inside like others outside. Building walls is rather easy, tearing them down, not.
In the end. We can all play this number game. But the core of it leads us always to the question. Why? Like why do they comit crimes? Why are they in prison? Why are there issues with immigrants (if there are issues)?
And when you get finally down to the core of the argument it comes always down to the same old bullshit arguments, cuz muslims/jews/black people/hispanics/gays/insert-your-minority-here! #ANDWEHATETHEMALLNOTTRUEAMERICA! Sometimes thrown in with some half-true statements and suggar coated as racism concealed as facts.
Just because people don't use words like white supremacy, pure blood, or the terms that are so common with extreme right wing nutjobs and Nazis doesn't mean the intention behind those messages would not be the same. If you can't see that ... well, than I am sorry but you already stoped to think for your self.
No shit, Sherlock.
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
No reason to be rude to me, I'm trying to be as polite as I can with you. I haven't lashed out once except that quip with superdude over him making outrageous statements with 0 sources.
I only brought that up because your wording always seems to indicate you believe only religious people are capable of this sort of thing. If you realized that before hand then apologies, but you need to work on your wording, you nearly come off sounding like a bigot towards religious people.
Throatpunch
Banned
I dont need a source to say that communist dictators wanted to be viewed as God Figures. Its just true.
Stalin wanted nobody to believe in God because it might undermine his authority as General Secretary, and he wanted to be viewed as a God to the Russian people. So he killed loads of religious people; not out of atheism, but so he could be the God.
This is not some safe space. You are allowed to get a bit rude here, within reason of course. If you think I offended you somehow, then I apologized to you. But I am not going to treat you, or anyone else for that matter, like a snowflake.
Well, there is some half truth in that. I am not a huge friend of religion. I tolerate it, I don't hate religous people, I want religious freedom at all cost and I don't judge people based on their belief. But god knows, I still dislike it (religion) as a whole. I am working a lot with children right now, and It just disturbs me to see how even (some) 11 and 12 year olds are literaly brainwashed in to something, repeating religous stuff like parots from their parents or some religious school, without even understanding half of it ... And right now most of the children I supervise are children from muslim parents. And it's funny how often I have to deal with But Islam says this, Mohamed said that, Qauran doesn't allow this, this is Haraam this is Halal ...
We have quite often discussions about why secularization is actually a good thing, and explaining to children the difference between religous states, seperation of power and all that stuff. I just really feel like children and religion should never ever get together.
What's awesome though is to tell children that beeing a brat is also haraam (is an Arabic term meaning "forbidden.")
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Ragemage
Wept for Zion
You do need sources. That's a completely ridiculous statement to make. It might apply to Kim Il Sung considering he made a whole cult around himself, Jucheism, but it doesn't apply to the others.
I'm asking you treat me with the same respect I treat you with. I haven't insulted you once, nor have I said anything completely outrageous like Illuminati Confirmed or Vergil. I'm being as pleasant as I can. The most I did was ask you to cite sources for your argument.
Where have I insulted you?
Throatpunch
Banned
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
I never said you insulted me, I said I haven't insulted you. You did snap at me, which is what I didn't appreciate. That's all.
First of all, you're acting like the Russian people had a say in the matter. They were forced to put up pictures of Stalin, for the most part it wasn't voluntary. No one worships Stalin. Some might revere him, but that's completely different from worship. Secondly, just because someone gains a cult-like status through propaganda/status/imagery, that doesn't mean they themselves view themselves as a god.
Actual godship status of a human being would be like with Kim Il Sung. They aren't allowed to change his laws, his body is kept completely preserved in a huge temple, people have to attend massive parades and ceremonies on his birthday and his death day, etc
Throatpunch
Banned
He promoted the image that he was a God. And to do so he needed to annihilate any other Gods in the area so he was the only person revered. Not atheism, just him promoting himself.
Don't include Hitler on the evul afeyistz list because it transpires he promoted the view of God being the creator.
Anyone who has the gall to say the Catholic Church is a good thing watch this through:
You are gonna have to get used to people being dickish on the internet bruh. You shouldn't have come on here not expecting it.
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Illuminati Confirmed!
Banned
Typical commie bullshit.
There's no more typical proletarians around, what do we do? Expand the definition of "proletarian"! People are starting to figure out that these racist boogeymen aren't real, what do we do? Expand the definition of "racist"!
I think you're just nervous because the right's boogeymen are turning out to be somewhat more real than yours.
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
Hitler only promoted a view of God because many Germans at the time were Christian. He wouldn't have garnered any support by trying to kill off Christians right away. He did however put Christians in his concentration camps, just as he did the Jews. Many many Poles went to the concentration camps, and many poles are Catholic. Hitler had many plans to eradicate the church completely, he found Christianity to be weak. Please don't use that bullshit of "Hitler was a Christian too!" He wasn't, in action or in mind. It's very easy to find his actual views on Christianity, do some research.
Proof enough, an actual paper written by the Nazis, released and declassified during the Nuremberg Trials for all the world to see: http://www.leics.gov.uk/the_nazi_master_plan.pdf
Secondly a single video isn't going to invalidate a belief system followed by over 1.2 BILLION people. Nice try though.
Illuminati Confirmed!
Banned
As far as I know, Hitler never put anyone into a concentration camp for being a Christian, despite incarcerating many Christians.
Personally, I always thought all the explicitly anti-church narratives about Hitler were just bullshit spewed primarily by the Catholic church to conceal the fact that they actually cooperated very well with the Nazis (and had a lot of pull in some of their puppet states).
Throatpunch
Banned
Most being brainwashed uneducated people in the third world, and the rest being brainwashed people in the first world. Lots of brainwashing.
Also watch the video through please.
Only Catholics were put in concentration camps, and thats because the Catholic church opposed him. There was actually an organisation to do with Nazi Protestantism, their motto was "the swastika on our chest and the cross in our hearts".
WATCH THIS:
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