Alt-Right in financial meltdown

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by CT Phipps, Apr 22, 2018.

  1. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    Have you heard of their politics? A bunch shut down Bernies campaign stop early on. At another, someone straight out said leave the hood alone but burn down everything else.

    John Oliver put it best when he literally ripped apart Jill Steins party platform, exposing the crazy fool that she is.
     
  2. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    Black lives matter gets demonized a lot by the right wing.

    Also if you think Jill Stein is an extremist you might be too right leaning to be honest.
     
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  3. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    So I bring up proof and examples for my claims and you got what? Oh yeah, nothing.

    FFS, Jill Steins thinks complex economic policies are 'magic tricks'. And this woman wants to be president?
     
  4. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    What proof and examples? Dude you just wrote a couple of sentences... hardly "proof and examples". "Someone said leave the hood alone, but burn everything", hardly proof of anything other than that person's views, or what, is GM's assertion that the Fruit workers that got massacred had it coming a proof of the US' imminent take over?

    Jill Stein is kind of a loony but if she is your idea of an extremist I think you are a bit sheltered.
     
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  5. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003




    The first link is BLM shutting down a Bernie event. The second is Sheree Smith urging folks to burn down the suburbs.

    Should I post all the videos of them blocking freeways? Some of the riots?

    Jill Stein is an extremist as she has extremist policies, but not a VIOLENT extremist. She has EXTREMELY insane ideas about going completely green, extreme theories about the economy, etc.

    Check out some of her town halls, or better yet, just check out the John Oliver segment on third arties.
     
  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    Blocking freeways, that's kinda the point of a protest. "RIOTS" I have heard that word used by americans so much is kinda funny. Also focusing on the protest rather on the issue that causes the protest is classic right wing, just like Clinton's talk about the super predators.

    Jill Stein is pretty bleh in general, America is very skewed to the right wing, so their ideas about what extremism is are rather funny.
    Call me wgen she starts talking about land expropiation, ceceding from the US or creating an etnostate.
     
  7. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    First of all, you asked for proof that BLM is extreme and I gave them to you. 'BLM and Stein is extreme'. This was the argument.
     
  8. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason & The Better Man

    Aug 19, 2008
    Ah Jill Stein, Got a bunch of people to give her over 200k so she would fight Trump's election win then she just fucked off with the money.
     
  9. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    You cited "blocked freeways" as a sign of extremism and two videos of 2 people with their own beliefs and Jill Stein is only an extremist compared to the center right that is the Democratic party. She sounds more like a loony New Age Hippy than an extremist.
     
  10. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    BLM is taking up the cause of Sylville and Sheree Smith. BLM is therefore taking up and legitimizing their cause. And blocking traffic is EXTREME, people can protest perfetly at a designated spot.

    Loony implies crazy. Jill Stein knows EXACTLY how shitty her policies are and pushes them anyways. Which makes her EXTREME.

    Jill Stein would rather accomplish nothing, while holding on to her principles, rather than to make at least SOME progress by compromising and broadening her platform.
     
  11. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    Portesting at a designated spot. LOL I thought you said people should fix things on their own but a protest is too extreme?

    Your definition of an extremist is actually pretty hilarious.
     
  12. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    I'll concede the designated protest spot even though protesting on a freeway is fucking dangerous and stupid.

    The Bernie video stands as protesting is one thing, being a fucking dick and ruining another persons event is extreme. That is like a bunch of alt-left guys fucking up a BLM event.
     
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  13. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    Like I said your definition of "extremism" is hilariously sheltered. Sorry dude.

    On Colombian events:
    I told you about the presidential elections right? Well, turns out Ivan Duque, the ultra right wing candidate, has a legion of fake accounts spreading propaganda and attacks on Left wing candidates, I have even reported a few that were super obvious. Multiple reports have been made and an investigation found something out:

    https://voces.com.co/desde-la-alcaldia-de-medellin-creaban-cuentas-falsas-en-redes-a-favor-de-duque/

    It's the current administration of Medellin the ones creating them.

    And thus I was reminded of a few weird things that happened during a recent contract with the Medellin administration.
    While a website is being developed and the client hasn't submitted any content you usually fill it with random stock images, lorem ipsum and youtube videos (If the client has a YT account you use videos from there).

    Thing is, I used a random video from their channel that just coincidentally had Fajardo, a left wing candidate who was the previous Mayor of Medellin until a bit ago in one of the sections. Well the client was SUPER PISSED about it, they wanted the video removed ASAP! even tho the site wasn't even on a production URL, it was still in development, and they didn't get as angry with the Lorem Ipsum article with a Picture of Jojo's Bizarre adventure hanging on the front page. I initially just shurgged and assumed it was just a clients being overdramatic thing and removed the video.

    But it's not over yet. As soon as I started posting posts about the election on my Facebook page, one of the clients started getting weirdly agressive with me, even stopped replying to my whatsapp messages even tho he was supposed to mail me my laptop charger I accidentaly left in their office.
    I suspect the guy was Stalking my Facebook profile.

    Really creepy shit, I don't think I'll ever set foot in Medellin ever again.
     
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  14. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Proof? She did do the recount in Wisconsin I think with the money.
     
  15. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    Right wing update on Colombia:
    An Ex-assassin for Pablo Escobar, who is also voting for Uribe (ultra right wing) released a video threatening Gustavo Petro and people voting for him with his guns.

    Please tell me again how a protest or being a new age hippy is "an extremist"?
     
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  16. FrighteningCazadores

    FrighteningCazadores First time out of the vault

    Monday
    I do see where your coming from, and while I do agree blocking a freeway to protest is an extreme and dangerous way to protest it's not an *extremist* way to protest. What is an extremist way to protest is damaging property or harming individuals for having a certain ideological or political leaning.

    While "fucking up someone's event" is rude and perhaps a bit extreme, in no way do I see it as an extremist act. You can't just go on and put an extremist sticker on someones protest for not protesting where or what you want them to protest.
     
  17. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    Walpknut

    An EXTREMist, is someone does things in an EXTREME, way. It doesn't always have to include violence or property damage.

    def: a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who resorts to or advocates extreme action.

    I just realized something, and I don't mean to offend.

    Of course, compared to Colombia, our shit is mild.

    Their POLICIES, are EXTREME and fanatical. I mean, these stupid fucks would rather accomplish NOTHING, for the sake of their fucking CONSCIENCE and PRINCIPLE, rather than make a change, by compromise. THAT makes them an extremist. They actively encourage and court, 'the progressives', who are the very definition, of the extreme left or alt-left.

    Again, BLM has caused riots to break out BTW.

    I already conceded the point of 'designated protest', spots.
     
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  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    You're confusing ancedotal examples with proof.

    Walp is talking about BLM the movment not the individuals, you're focused on some of the protesters. If someone punched a Nazi in the name of Martin Luther King, does that mean his message was one of viollence? Particularly as you're also ignoring all the peacefull protest that has come from BLM.

    Why don't you look why BLM was created in the first place and what their message is. Is their message to kill white people or to destroy society or something? Are they comparable with ideological movements like Marxist Socialists, Fascists or Nationalsozialism, who actually want to establish their own societies and forms of government? Those are actually extremist movements.

    I honestly have no opinion about BLM, but it's simply way to common to take some crazy people and present it like a 'proof' that it's the whole movement. If you're arguing like that, then you will find 'bad' examples everywhere, some Nazis for example are Republicans, but not all Republicans are Nazis. Hell I would even go so far and say that not even all fascists are necessarily 'viollent' - their ideology would lead to viollence if they controlled the government, but that's a different story because most people confuse fascism with nationalsozialism.

    One way to look at BLM is to start with what they actually say about themselfs:

    The Black Lives Matter Global Network is a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission is to build local power and to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.


    We are expansive. We are a collective of liberators who believe in an inclusive and spacious movement. We also believe that in order to win and bring as many people with us along the way, we must move beyond the narrow nationalism that is all too prevalent in Black communities. We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front.


    We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.


    We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise.


    We affirm our humanity, our contributions to this society, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression.

    The call for Black lives to matter is a rallying cry for ALL Black lives striving for liberation.

    https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

    Then you can look at Wikipedia:

    Guiding principles

    According to the Black Lives Matter website, there are thirteen guiding principles that should apply to those who choose to become involved under the Black Lives Matter banner, among them Diversity, Globalism, Empathy, Restorative Justice and Intergenerationality.[38]


    Broader movement

    Concurrently, a broader movement involving several other organizations and activists emerged under the banner of "Black Lives Matter" as well.[5][39] For example, BLM is a member organization of the Movement for Black Lives established to respond to sustained and increasingly visible violence against black communities in the U.S. and globally.[40] In 2015 Johnetta Elzie, DeRay Mckesson, Brittany Packnett, and Samuel Sinyangwe, initiated Campaign Zero, aimed at promoting policy reforms to end police brutality. The campaign released a ten-point plan for reforms to policing, with recommendations including: ending broken windows policing, increasing community oversight of police departments, and creating stricter guidelines for the use of force.[41] New York Times reporter John Eligon reported that some activists had expressed concerns that the campaign was overly focused on legislative remedies for police violence.[42]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

    Now, one can agree or disagree with their principles, but I can not read anywhere that their ideology and ideas are based on viollence or extremism or that this would be actually proposed by the majority of their followers.

    Just to make this clear, the same issue also exists on the other side, where some people look at Trump rallies, see a handfull of viiollent people or extreme right wingers and call all Trump followers neo-nazis. Both BLM and Trumps base, are extremly diverse movements with a lot of individuals 'claiming' to be a part of it, but they actually aren't and yet way to often people concentrate just on those individuals.

    This is what I meant when I said, that you find a lot of identity politics on both sides of the political spectrum today, and to many people follow that argumentation, without even knowing where it's coming from.
     
  19. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    Crni

    Looks like your also a bit guilty of selective focus as well.

    Notice I brought up the topic Sheree Smith. I didn't see anyone condemning or disowning her comments. Look at Michael Brown, forensics showed he charged the officer and BLM didn't say one fucking peep. Yet people quickly jump Trumps shit every time he doesn't condemn people IMMEDIATELY. People jumped Trump for a SUPPOSED fucking comment made inside a closed door meeting with no transcript.

    I provided a definition for extremist above. Just because it is convenient for you to pick and choose specific forms of extremism doesn't discount mine.
     
  20. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    DarkCorp,

    aren't you from China? Interesting that someone from there would defend Trump so much.

    Also, about Michael Brown, there's plenty of shady stuff about his case. In Toronto they managed to catch a guy alive who had just mowed down a bunch of folks with a car. US cops just are a lot more trigger happy and this is a real issue.