So ,should we hope that Fallout will die /stop?

[hokutonoken]

The question is real. I have the feeling that as soon as you like a series, no matter which, you are gona have to face people who will ruin it and torture it. Thief suffered, Hitman suffered, you all have in mind examples of games whose gameplay or experience was spoiled by "some stupid guys in the marketting department".

Absolution was a crime for me, who has played all hitman games since hitman 2.I didnt even consider trying the last Thief for obvious reasons. And now there is Fallout 4. Fallout 4 trailer focused on fights more than on interactions, the skill system may disappeared, and people fear a bastardization to make the game freindly for people who dont like to read or think.

Skyrimization of Fallout 4 isnt even what i fear, i fear something worse. I fear a future where people will see Fallout as a game where you kill stuff with guns and plasma rifles.

Iit is hard for me to see this as a way to make the game simple,because for me, the game needs you to learn how to play, but the difficulty curve isnt too steep.

It would be very hard to gather all people wh worked on old fallout games, to have the same atmosphere, the same mentality again. So i am wondering, should we hope fallout death, the same way people think its better to not have a Baldu'rsgate 3(because they feel it would be sacrilege).

 

[TorontoReign]

Fallout can't be hurt much worse. Other RPG's are coming out now that are much like Fallout 1 and 2 in concept. That is where old school fans can find Fallout style games. Underrail comes to mind. Wasteland 2 was something at least.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

I guess. At this point the future titles resemble the original franchise less and less.
I still don't understand why a lot of the Bethesda fans feel it is better that the IP was resurrected this way when it barely resembles what actually made it so good and memorable that it inspired an entire fandom that is still around after seventeen years (and is looked down upon because it thinks that the future games are not anything like what they sought to preserve).

Wouldn't they have been much happier if Bethesda just invented its own sci fi universe for them to roam through that didn't come with a previous fandom they in general seem to hate or insult because it does not agree with their tastes?
It is not as if they were fans of the Fallout franchise before Bethesda purchased it, they pretty much ignored it because it was not anything like Oblivion or other RPGs at the time.

To be honest I feel that it would be better that a lot of franchises that have been popular are just ended, instead of being brought back so a few ionic characters, organizations, locations, or other stuff can be used but for the rest does not resemble the franchise at all any more
Why bother using those IPs when the released product barely resembles them. Wouldn't the money needed to purchase those be better invested in development or marketing?

 

[Moosick]

Bethedsa just wear Fallout's skin like a vidya Buffalo Bill. I'd like to see a remake of fallout 2 with a modern engine? but it'd have to be done well. I'd be happy with Obsidian doing that.

But honestly, Fallout is a real gem in the post-nuclear genre for its ability to show gut-wrenching horror whilst making you chuckle, all the while never quite getting 'disrespectful' or for the sake of it, and has a real self-awareness. And an excellent aesthetic which is incredibly memorable. I think a break is needed, and for the reboot to be something made by original developers, or at least professional game designers who are real fans of the originals/NV. Otherwise we'll get Thief 4.

The problem with the modern games industry is their historical blindness, and a lack of backwards comparability increases that tenfold, systematically erasing countless artworks and never learning from mistakes. We have archives, but the manchildren of gamergate actually led to some archivists getting their funding cut, and even then, it's not enough to save them. Which is where Steam comes in, as do folks making emulators (this is one of the reasons I genuinely believe the PS2 will be remade by a third-party company at some point). We'll have to wait for Fallout 4. It looks very promising, if a little lacking in focus, and having an FPSRPGOMG like NV to compete with. It'll either be a defining game of the next decade of games of it'll be a 'meh' heard around the world.

 

[Richwizard]

Eventually, devs/publishers/marketing typically screws things up enough that even fanboys get sick of it. Sales drop and they drop future games.

In a way, something like that happened at Interplay with FO2. They released it with a crapload of incomplete/cut material and bugs. Thank the mod gods for Killap!

 

[Walpknut]

I am hoping Fallout 4 screws up so badly that even the Fanboys will riot.

 

[PossibleCabbage]

The worst Fallout game was made before Bethesda even touched the IP. It's conceivable that Bethesda will actually grow and improve, or at least farm the franchise out to third party developers who do actually understand Fallout.

Regardless, I don't think I get anything out of Fallout going away entirely, even if I don't care for its modern incarnation, so this seems like a weird thing to hope for.

 

[Oppen]

Personally, even if Fallout keeps getting worse and worse, I see no reason for new Fallouts to cease existing, or to wish that. The only thing I wish is that eventually there is a newer one that improves upon what it's legacy is, preferably ignoring Fallout 3. But until that happens, I really don't see the new ones as damaging the older gems, but just being sub-par, so my position is more in the "I don't care" than in the "I wish they'd stop" field.

 

[shihonage]

Fallout died in 2008. The name became meaningless. I just try and remember its feeling and spirit, and lessons of design. Mercilessly violated in Fallout 3, and not much remembered in New Vegas, either.

Like the Karate Kid film remake, Fallout 3 became the "new Fallout" for young people. They even defend it. It used to be a franchise on forefront of RPG innovation, a game designed to interest actual grown adults, a promising window into the future.

Instead, it became the "old stuff", victim of revisionist history perpetuated by skin-deep gamers of today, while the industry revels in backward dudebro RPG mechanics straight from 451 Fahrenheit, designed to give you a personalized mental blowjob as you lie back on your couch. All that's missing is clowns juggling chainsaws.

 

[Gizmojunk]

Fallout died in 2008. The name became meaningless. I just try and remember its feeling and spirit, and lessons of design. Mercilessly violated in Fallout 3, and not much remembered in New Vegas, either.

Yep.

Like the Karate Kid film remake, Fallout 3 became the "new Fallout" for young people. They even defend it. It used to be a franchise on forefront of RPG innovation, a game designed to interest actual grown adults, a promising window into the future.

I think it's more akin to this...

Fallout/Fallout2/FO3 : Highlander/Highlander2/Highlander 3.

 

[Battlecross]

I am hoping Fallout 4 screws up so badly that even the Fanboys will riot.

Again, why would you care? If you don't like the new stuff ignore it. It's very simple. Hanging on makes no sense if you dislike it. You sound like you just want vengeance for a dead franchise or something, I really don't get it. Fallout 4 won't screw up badly, I can 100% guarantee it.

Fallout died in 2008. The name became meaningless. I just try and remember its feeling and spirit, and lessons of design. Mercilessly violated in Fallout 3, and not much remembered in New Vegas, either.

Like the Karate Kid film remake, Fallout 3 became the "new Fallout" for young people. They even defend it. It used to be a franchise on forefront of RPG innovation, a game designed to interest actual grown adults, a promising window into the future.

Instead, it became the "old stuff", victim of revisionist history perpetuated by skin-deep gamers of today, while the industry revels in backward dudebro RPG mechanics straight from 451 Fahrenheit, designed to give you a personalized mental blowjob as you lie back on your couch. All that's missing is clowns juggling chainsaws.

The hell is 451 Fahrenheit? The book Farenheit 451? The game Farenheit (Indigo Prophecy?)?

 

[Walpknut]

If you don't like negative opinions ignore them, it's not like you bring any real arguments.

 

[Battlecross]

If you don't like negative opinions ignore them, it's not like you bring any real arguments.

Oh I do, you apparently haven't been paying attention and could never give me a concrete answer on anything I've said.

For example: Say you love a band and they play standard rock, but one day they release a new album and it is EDM which you despise. Do you:

A) Go "Crap...I don't like this anymore. Oh well." and move on with your life?

or

B) Go insane and constantly talk about how they've changed and how you hate it and obsess over it endlessly?

Metallica fans do this, and they can't provide a concrete answer ever either. It's like some type of egotistic madness. The change affects nothing of your love for the old stuff, and constant complaining will never ever change anything. Ever. So why bother?

It was directed at Battlecross....

Where you took more issue with my post than with his trolling racism. Telling, ain't it?

 

[Battlecross]

If you don't like negative opinions ignore them, it's not like you bring any real arguments.

Oh I do, you apparently haven't been paying attention and could never give me a concrete answer on anything I've said. You're actually impossible to argue with because you simply use logical fallacies and you move the goalposts to change the parameters of the argument constantly. For example, I brought up the lack of discussion in NV of the nukes destroying the divide and you claimed they did...but only mentioned two mentions of storms. Not nukes, and not the Courier's involvement...which is what I said originally. Can't argue with someone who constantly changes things. Not to mention you refused to understand my point with House's laser/rocket defense system and just kept ignoring what I actually said, seeing as I said the game is telling you that something exists in the world which actually does not and it doesn't bother you...but how leather jackets do, does bother you. Don't bother responding to these points again I'm not going in circles for the 50th time.

For example: Say you love a band and they play standard rock, but one day they release a new album and it is EDM which you despise. Do you:

A) Go "Crap...I don't like this anymore. Oh well." and move on with your life?

or

B) Go insane and constantly talk about how they've changed and how you hate it and obsess over it endlessly?

Metallica fans do this, and they can't provide a concrete answer ever either. It's like some type of egotistic madness. The change affects nothing of your love for the old stuff, and constant complaining will never ever change anything. Ever. So why bother?

 

[hokutonoken]

There is the hope that a community may have the power to force a company to step back, although in the case of Fallout its highly unlikely, classic fans are not numerous enough.

But we have one power, though, voting with our wallet.
We dont have many weapons to backfire, but i see no reason for not using them when we have opportunity(not buying, negative reviews,etc).

 

[Oppen]

@Battlecross, two things.
First, ignoring the racist troll is just standard anti-troll defense, don't take it as a declaration of allegiance.
Second, while I already gave my opinion, which is in line with what you suggest, it is not as much as "it doesn't change your love for the old stuff" as you paint it, for a simple reason. There are three basic possibilities with a given franchise or trend:
A) It stops. Sad, but has some kind of artistic integrity to it.
B) It continues, the way you love it, the greatest, but it requires resources, of course. So, it's easy to understand why it sometimes doesn't happen. Also, sometimes it just had way too good an ending to risk it by continuing it (for example, Scrubs, 8th season finale was a perfect ending, no mistakes were made there... until someone had the great idea of doing a 9th season that pretty much broke everything...). This probably isn't the case for the kind of Fallout, where the stories mostly just share the same universe (think of spin-offs in TV shows, they are far less likely to "break" a good ending).
C) It continues, but "corrupted" (depending on who you ask, of course). It also requires resources, so you might think "why would they do this shit instead of improving on what we already had?". Of course, this is a phallacy. It is, and I know it, I think we all know it. There is no guarantee that if they weren't doing this, they'd be doing something in the line of the oldies. But, point is, this is where the feeling most likely come from, you see the resources ARE THERE, so they could be used in a different way. Just so you understand it.

 

[Millim]

The Fallout series will certainly find an end.
It could get a shit load of sequels and spin-offs that newer fans are put off by them and older fans don't find time to game anymore.
But I doubt the idea will ever go away. Lets not forget Fallout came from Wasteland (which in turn has received an official sequel), there may be something after that, like a spiritual successor.

 

[SnapSlav]

The Fallout series will certainly find an end.
It could get a shit load of sequels and spin-offs that newer fans are put off by them and older fans don't find time to game anymore.
But I doubt the idea will ever go away. Lets not forget Fallout came from Wasteland (which in turn has received an official sequel), there may be something after that, like a spiritual successor.

You are COMPLETELY missing the point of the question. Granted, I think it's a really pessimistic question, but still...

The question is if we should HOPE that it dies. It's based on the concept that "Bethesda has taken our treasure, ruined it, and if they continue to ruin it, would it be better for it to die and that be it?" It's a question about a slow and agonizing life that MAY hold possibilities for great releases (like FONV) or just continue to disappoint, which would amount to torture. Or about a merciful death taking all the pain away. Like I said, pessimistic question, but THAT'S the question.

It has nothing to do with "do you think it will continue?" because the answer to that is obvious.

 

[Millim]

Oh sorry, didn't read it properly.

My answer is, if I feel it's being milked, then yes.
At the moment, it's in a safe place and I can safely say, it's doing alright.
But when we have to reach the bottom of the shitter and we get a game where you must destroy alien space ships while wielding the power of the Chosen One to save the Universe, then yes, it should die.
But if we keeps things to where they are, then no. I'm happy for a new release every 4 years or so that isn't shit.

 

[Moosick]

The Fallout series will certainly find an end.
It could get a shit load of sequels and spin-offs that newer fans are put off by them and older fans don't find time to game anymore.
But I doubt the idea will ever go away. Lets not forget Fallout came from Wasteland (which in turn has received an official sequel), there may be something after that, like a spiritual successor.

The question is if we should HOPE that it dies.